do you believe in jesus? (505)
Evidence for design?
(I love this stuff )
The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.3 Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.
The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.
And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents
(I love this stuff )
The Earth...its size is perfect. The Earth's size and corresponding gravity holds a thin layer of mostly nitrogen and oxygen gases, only extending about 50 miles above the Earth's surface. If Earth were smaller, an atmosphere would be impossible, like the planet Mercury. If Earth were larger, its atmosphere would contain free hydrogen, like Jupiter.3 Earth is the only known planet equipped with an atmosphere of the right mixture of gases to sustain plant, animal and human life.
The Earth is located the right distance from the sun. Consider the temperature swings we encounter, roughly -30 degrees to +120 degrees. If the Earth were any further away from the sun, we would all freeze. Any closer and we would burn up. Even a fractional variance in the Earth's position to the sun would make life on Earth impossible. The Earth remains this perfect distance from the sun while it rotates around the sun at a speed of nearly 67,000 mph. It is also rotating on its axis, allowing the entire surface of the Earth to be properly warmed and cooled every day.
And our moon is the perfect size and distance from the Earth for its gravitational pull. The moon creates important ocean tides and movement so ocean waters do not stagnate, and yet our massive oceans are restrained from spilling over across the continents
Water...colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:
It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.
Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that thousands of chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.5
Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.
Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.
Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.
Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.
It has an unusually high boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.
Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that thousands of chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.5
Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.
Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.
Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.
Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water.
The human brain...simultaneously processes an amazing amount of information. Your brain takes in all the colors and objects you see, the temperature around you, the pressure of your feet against the floor, the sounds around you, the dryness of your mouth, even the texture of your keyboard. Your brain holds and processes all your emotions, thoughts and memories. At the same time your brain keeps track of the ongoing functions of your body like your breathing pattern, eyelid movement, hunger and movement of the muscles in your hands.
The human brain processes more than a million messages a second.7 Your brain weighs the importance of all this data, filtering out the relatively unimportant. This screening function is what allows you to focus and operate effectively in your world. The brain functions differently than other organs. There is an intelligence to it, the ability to reason, to produce feelings, to dream and plan, to take action, and relate to other people.
The human brain processes more than a million messages a second.7 Your brain weighs the importance of all this data, filtering out the relatively unimportant. This screening function is what allows you to focus and operate effectively in your world. The brain functions differently than other organs. There is an intelligence to it, the ability to reason, to produce feelings, to dream and plan, to take action, and relate to other people.
The eye...can distinguish among seven million colors. It has automatic focusing and handles an astounding 1.5 million messages -- simultaneously.8 Evolution focuses on mutations and changes from and within existing organisms. Yet evolution alone does not fully explain the initial source of the eye or the brain -- the start of living organisms from nonliving matter.
Certainly there have been earlier ages when the culture was more sympathetic toward Christianity, but it's extremely difficult to dispute that there has never been a time in history when the hard evidence of science was more CONFIRMATORY of belief in God than today.
MikeHD: punctuated equilibrium
I do not think anyone would dispute the claim that our human body is vastly more complicated than a can of coke, right?
Then lets consider the following...
The theory of evolution of the Coca Cola can.
Billions of years ago, a big bang produced a large rock. As the rock cooled, sweet brown liquid formed on its surface. As time passed, aluminum formed itself into a can, a lid, and a tab. Millions of years later, red and white paint fell from the sky, and formed itself into the words "Coca Cola 12 fluid ounces."
Of course, my theory is an insult to your intellect, because you know that if the Coca Cola can is made, there must be a maker. If it is designed, there must be a designer. The alternative, that it happened by chance or accident, is to move into an intellectual free zone.
The banana--the atheist's nightmare.
Note that the banana: 1. Is shaped for human hand
2. Has non-slip surface
3. Has outward indicators of inward content: Green--too early,
Yellow --just right, Black--too late.
4. Has a tab for removal of wrapper
5. Is perforated on wrapper
6. Bio-degradable wrapper
7. Is shaped for human mouth
8. Has a point at top for ease of entry
9. Is pleasing to taste buds
10. Is curved towards the face to make eating process easy
To say that the banana happened by accident is even more unintelligent than to say that no one designed the Coca Cola can. Don't hurt yourself thinking about this one.
I do not think anyone would dispute the claim that our human body is vastly more complicated than a can of coke, right?
Then lets consider the following...
The theory of evolution of the Coca Cola can.
Billions of years ago, a big bang produced a large rock. As the rock cooled, sweet brown liquid formed on its surface. As time passed, aluminum formed itself into a can, a lid, and a tab. Millions of years later, red and white paint fell from the sky, and formed itself into the words "Coca Cola 12 fluid ounces."
Of course, my theory is an insult to your intellect, because you know that if the Coca Cola can is made, there must be a maker. If it is designed, there must be a designer. The alternative, that it happened by chance or accident, is to move into an intellectual free zone.
The banana--the atheist's nightmare.
Note that the banana: 1. Is shaped for human hand
2. Has non-slip surface
3. Has outward indicators of inward content: Green--too early,
Yellow --just right, Black--too late.
4. Has a tab for removal of wrapper
5. Is perforated on wrapper
6. Bio-degradable wrapper
7. Is shaped for human mouth
8. Has a point at top for ease of entry
9. Is pleasing to taste buds
10. Is curved towards the face to make eating process easy
To say that the banana happened by accident is even more unintelligent than to say that no one designed the Coca Cola can. Don't hurt yourself thinking about this one.
at least this is not a mined quote!!!!
How many banana genera are their?
explain the AIDS virus in terms of intelligent design
MikeHD: The eye...can distinguish among seven million colors. It has automatic focusing and handles an astounding 1.5 million messages -- simultaneously.8 Evolution focuses on mutations and changes from and within existing organisms. Yet evolution alone does not fully explain the initial source of the eye or the brain -- the start of living organisms from nonliving matter.
it does
•photosensitive cell
•aggregates of pigment cells without a nerve
•an optic nerve surrounded by pigment cells and covered by translucent skin
•pigment cells forming a small depression
•pigment cells forming a deeper depression
•the skin over the depression taking a lens shape
•muscles allowing the lens to adjust
All of these steps are known to be viable because all exist in animals living today. The increments between these steps are slight and may be broken down into even smaller increments. Natural selection should, under many circumstances, favor the increments. Since eyes do not fossilize well, we do not know that the development of the eye followed exactly that path, but we certainly cannot claim that no path exists.
Evidence for one step in the evolution of the vertebrate eye comes from comparative anatomy and genetics. The vertebrate ß?-crystallin genes, which code for several proteins crucial for the lens, are very similar to the Ciona ß?-crystallin gene. Ciona is an urochordate, a distant relative of vertebrates. Ciona's single ß?-crystallin gene is expressed in its otolith, a pigmented sister cell of the light-sensing ocellus. The origin of the lens appears to be based on co-optation of previously existing elements in a lensless system.
Now for the brain
This is an argument from incredulity. Complexity only indicates that something is difficult to understand, not that it is difficult to evolve. Evolution, unlike design, is not constrained by requirements for simplicity.
2.Brains come in many different sizes. The sea slug (Aplysia), for example, has only about 20,000 neurons in its entire nervous system. Coelenterates have an even simpler nervous system consisting of a nerve net and nothing even close to a brain. There are innumerable intermediate forms of brains between humans and brainless animals; gradual evolution of the brain presents no challenge.
theoldestdear: at least this is not a mined quote!!!! How many banana genera are their?explain the AIDS virus in terms of intelligent design
AIDS is explained in terms of Entropy. It is a result of a fallen world. You can find a very detailed explaination of this in Romans chapter one. It explains a lot of what we see in this world today. And it was written close to 2000 years ago.
...hmmmmmmMikeHD: AIDS is explained in terms of Entropy. It is a result of a fallen world. You can find a very detailed explaination of this in Romans chapter one. It explains a lot of what we see in this world today. And it was written close to 2000 years ago.
...hmmmmmm
...hmmmmmm
theoldestdear: it does
•photosensitive cell
•aggregates of pigment cells without a nerve
•an optic nerve surrounded by pigment cells and covered by translucent skin
•pigment cells forming a small depression
•pigment cells forming a deeper depression
•the skin over the depression taking a lens shape
•muscles allowing the lens to adjust
All of these steps are known to be viable because all exist in animals living today. The increments between these steps are slight and may be broken down into even smaller increments. Natural selection should, under many circumstances, favor the increments. Since eyes do not fossilize well, we do not know that the development of the eye followed exactly that path, but we certainly cannot claim that no path exists.
Evidence for one step in the evolution of the vertebrate eye comes from comparative anatomy and genetics. The vertebrate ß?-crystallin genes, which code for several proteins crucial for the lens, are very similar to the Ciona ß?-crystallin gene. Ciona is an urochordate, a distant relative of vertebrates. Ciona's single ß?-crystallin gene is expressed in its otolith, a pigmented sister cell of the light-sensing ocellus. The origin of the lens appears to be based on co-optation of previously existing elements in a lensless system.
Now for the brain
This is an argument from incredulity. Complexity only indicates that something is difficult to understand, not that it is difficult to evolve. Evolution, unlike design, is not constrained by requirements for simplicity. 2.Brains come in many different sizes. The sea slug (Aplysia), for example, has only about 20,000 neurons in its entire nervous system. Coelenterates have an even simpler nervous system consisting of a nerve net and nothing even close to a brain. There are innumerable intermediate forms of brains between humans and brainless animals; gradual evolution of the brain presents no challenge.
•photosensitive cell
•aggregates of pigment cells without a nerve
•an optic nerve surrounded by pigment cells and covered by translucent skin
•pigment cells forming a small depression
•pigment cells forming a deeper depression
•the skin over the depression taking a lens shape
•muscles allowing the lens to adjust
All of these steps are known to be viable because all exist in animals living today. The increments between these steps are slight and may be broken down into even smaller increments. Natural selection should, under many circumstances, favor the increments. Since eyes do not fossilize well, we do not know that the development of the eye followed exactly that path, but we certainly cannot claim that no path exists.
Evidence for one step in the evolution of the vertebrate eye comes from comparative anatomy and genetics. The vertebrate ß?-crystallin genes, which code for several proteins crucial for the lens, are very similar to the Ciona ß?-crystallin gene. Ciona is an urochordate, a distant relative of vertebrates. Ciona's single ß?-crystallin gene is expressed in its otolith, a pigmented sister cell of the light-sensing ocellus. The origin of the lens appears to be based on co-optation of previously existing elements in a lensless system.
Now for the brain
This is an argument from incredulity. Complexity only indicates that something is difficult to understand, not that it is difficult to evolve. Evolution, unlike design, is not constrained by requirements for simplicity. 2.Brains come in many different sizes. The sea slug (Aplysia), for example, has only about 20,000 neurons in its entire nervous system. Coelenterates have an even simpler nervous system consisting of a nerve net and nothing even close to a brain. There are innumerable intermediate forms of brains between humans and brainless animals; gradual evolution of the brain presents no challenge.
I am amazed by the intellectual leaps you are prepared to take. But I suppose you have to do something to get over those gaps.
Ok, this was it for today, I promise. I will see you guys tomorrow!
MikeHD: AIDS is explained in terms of Entropy. It is a result of a fallen world. You can find a very detailed explaination of this in Romans chapter one. It explains a lot of what we see in this world today. And it was written close to 2000 years ago.
...hmmmmmm
...hmmmmmm
Ok, I lied...
Just one more.
I suppose, if you were afraid of the bible, you would not be willing to pick it up. That is the only reason I could come up with for you not wanting to read one chapter.
So, I will do this for you...
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, " BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH." For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them. Romans 1:16-32
Enjoy!
Enjoy!
MikeHD: AIDS is explained in terms of Entropy. It is a result of a fallen world. You can find a very detailed explaination of this in Romans chapter one. It explains a lot of what we see in this world today. And it was written close to 2000 years ago.
...hmmmmmm
...hmmmmmm
It's quite possible intelligent humans made it in a lab; guess we'll never know, but can't rule it out. HIV is likely a mutation of the SIV virus, but that's all it remains, a virus. Variation within a kind happens all the time, but no matter how much variation there is in viruses they remain viruses, no evolution!
A round of applause for Mike and theoldestsdear for showing us how debate should be conducted.
God stuff fellas!!!
God stuff fellas!!!
bodleing: A round of applause for Mike and theoldestsdear for showing us how debate should be conducted.
God stuff fellas!!!
God stuff fellas!!!
Ooops freudian slip perhaps...good stuff.
I do...but I DON'T GO AROUND WEARING 'THE I LOVE JESUS' HAT like one of my ex contracters who still owes me money.
That's what you call a pharisee,and pharisees aren't evil men...they're stupid men.
That's what you call a pharisee,and pharisees aren't evil men...they're stupid men.
bodleing: A round of applause for Mike and theoldestsdear for showing us how debate should be conducted.
God stuff fellas!!!
Yes, I agree(I mentioned MikeHD in the "other" similar thread - that he was much better than I at explaining these things. Could also tell he had read "his stuff".)God stuff fellas!!!
Btw-wouldn't have noticed that "slip" if you hadn't pointed it out- a good "slip" though-imo
In response to: believe in Jesus or God
both.JenniferNL: If we would all just care less about all these religions the world would be a far better place.
AND , Quit using religion as an excuse to wage war and kill innocent people around the world ...........
jvaski: AND , Quit using religion as an excuse to wage war and kill innocent people around the world ...........
Who me?
SIR!!! I assure you that I have never started a war using religion! At least not one that killed innocent people around the world.
Oh, and you might need to check your facts when you go out claiming war is started because of religion. Though evil people have been using religion to start wars, the war itself is never about religion. Blaming religion is like blaming the rifle, bullets, or pitch forks used to actually kill a person. Please make no mistake, there has never been a war fought, that hasn't benefitted the pockets of a few evil men. And whether those men were the leaders of a church or the leaders of an atheist nation, the reason for that war was the same... money. The ONLY reason there is war, is that it’s still a great way for someone to get rich. Religious wars only exist in the minds of the manipulated and misinformed. You can look at Vietnam, the Gulf War, the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Bolshevik Revolution, our Civil War, World War II, or Julius Caesar's Gallic Wars. And though the headlines rang with battle cries of religion, freedom, liberty, or a number of other anthems men rally to. Behind the scenes you will always find a group of evil men manipulating the situation into something they can profit from.
Always.
MikeHD: Who me?SIR!!! I assure you that I have never started a war using religion! At least not one that killed innocent people around the world. Oh, and you might need to check your facts when you go out claiming war is started because of religion. Though evil people have been using religion to start wars, the war itself is never about religion. Blaming religion is like blaming the rifle, bullets, or pitch forks used to actually kill a person. Please make no mistake, there has never been a war fought, that hasn't benefitted the pockets of a few evil men. And whether those men were the leaders of a church or the leaders of an atheist nation, the reason for that war was the same... money. The ONLY reason there is war, is that it’s still a great way for someone to get rich. Religious wars only exist in the minds of the manipulated and misinformed. You can look at Vietnam, the Gulf War, the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Bolshevik Revolution, our Civil War, World War II, or Julius Caesar's Gallic Wars. And though the headlines rang with battle cries of religion, freedom, liberty, or a number of other anthems men rally to. Behind the scenes you will always find a group of evil men manipulating the situation into something they can profit from.
Always.
Always.
And that is the gospel truth
MikeHD: Who me?SIR!!! I assure you that I have never started a war using religion! At least not one that killed innocent people around the world. Oh, and you might need to check your facts when you go out claiming war is started because of religion. Though evil people have been using religion to start wars, the war itself is never about religion. Blaming religion is like blaming the rifle, bullets, or pitch forks used to actually kill a person. Please make no mistake, there has never been a war fought, that hasn't benefitted the pockets of a few evil men. And whether those men were the leaders of a church or the leaders of an atheist nation, the reason for that war was the same... money. The ONLY reason there is war, is that it’s still a great way for someone to get rich. Religious wars only exist in the minds of the manipulated and misinformed. You can look at Vietnam, the Gulf War, the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Bolshevik Revolution, our Civil War, World War II, or Julius Caesar's Gallic Wars. And though the headlines rang with battle cries of religion, freedom, liberty, or a number of other anthems men rally to. Behind the scenes you will always find a group of evil men manipulating the situation into something they can profit from.
Always.
Always.
"Religious wars only exist in the minds of the manipulated and misinformed."................
The belief that some cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
yup, makes perfect sense to me!
yup, makes perfect sense to me!
solsticemoon: well ya know, anythings worth a try, and if ur hubby's daft enought to believe it..whoo hoo...result!
And there are some daft enough! You only have to look on here! 
time4fun4u: And there are some daft enough! You only have to look on here!
dont get me started...
Im just about to do a thread called "the ultimate home protector..my dog n his magnum"...feel lucky punk?
solsticemoon: dont get me started...
Im just about to do a thread called "the ultimate home protector..my dog n his magnum"...feel lucky punk?
Im just about to do a thread called "the ultimate home protector..my dog n his magnum"...feel lucky punk?
I will come and sort them out for you.Make a list.
solsticemoon: The belief that some cosmic Jewish Zombie who was his own father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
yup, makes perfect sense to me!
yup, makes perfect sense to me!
You obviously don't understand what Christians believe. God is not Jewish. No part of the Bible says this. The Bible teaches that God existed before he even created the Jews or the whole world for that matter. (Psalm 90:2; Genesis 1:1) God is a spirit. (John 4:24) His incarnation in the flesh doesn't change that. Futher, Jesus doesn't say he is his own Father. You are talking about modalism, which Christians do not believe. Symbolically eating his flesh is just a way of saying to evercise faith in him. Further, Jesus isn't removing some evil force from our soul, but rather, forgiving us of our sin, and imparting to us all we need to live better more fulfilling lives. Nobody says the tree was magical. Death came by disobedince to God; it didn't have to be a fruit, it could have been disobedience to any command. Sin brings death. The snake didn't have the power to talk of its own, but a spirit being was behim him. All this makes more sense to me than to think that the whole universe came into being by itself, and that non-living, undirected molecules collided together and accidentally formed life, and that somehow apes started to talk and became men, etc...
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I do not think anyone would dispute the claim that our human body is vastly more complicated than a can of coke, right?
Then lets consider the following...
The theory of evolution of the Coca Cola can.
Billions of years ago, a big bang produced a large rock. As the rock cooled, sweet brown liquid formed on its surface. As time passed, aluminum formed itself into a can, a lid, and a tab. Millions of years later, red and white paint fell from the sky, and formed itself into the words "Coca Cola 12 fluid ounces."
Of course, my theory is an insult to your intellect, because you know that if the Coca Cola can is made, there must be a maker. If it is designed, there must be a designer. The alternative, that it happened by chance or accident, is to move into an intellectual free zone.
The banana--the atheist's nightmare.
Note that the banana: 1. Is shaped for human hand
2. Has non-slip surface
3. Has outward indicators of inward content: Green--too early,
Yellow --just right, Black--too late.
4. Has a tab for removal of wrapper
5. Is perforated on wrapper
6. Bio-degradable wrapper
7. Is shaped for human mouth
8. Has a point at top for ease of entry
9. Is pleasing to taste buds
10. Is curved towards the face to make eating process easy
To say that the banana happened by accident is even more unintelligent than to say that no one designed the Coca Cola can.