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Apr 6, 2011 2:04 PM CSTShould novels specific to events like this be banned?
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England, UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts

Should novels specific to events like this be banned?(Vote Below)

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Novels like this should be censored.
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Authours should have a free rein
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Sometime before the events of the story take place, a joint MI6/CIA/ISI raid against al Qaeda (AQ) operatives in Pakistan uncovers documents concerning a planned, but largely cryptic, terrorist attack. This raises concerns and triggers further investigations authorised at the most senior level.

Mike Martin, who previously appeared in the Forsyth novel The Fist of God, is now a retired SAS officer. Educated in Iraq and physically able to pass for an Afghan (his maternal grandmother was a Bengali-Indian named Indira Bose, misspelled Bohse in the book) who contributed to his chestnut-brown complexion which somehow makes him look like an Arab (or later on, Afghan) Martin has a near-perfect command of Arabic and is also familiar with Afghanistan and the Pashtun language, Pashto. He is chosen (due entirely to an overheard gaffe by his brother who is a member of the expert "Koran committee" of academics specialising in ancient texts) to infiltrate the highest echelons of AQ, by impersonating an AQ prisoner, Izmat Khan, currently held at Guantanamo Bay. In the story it is revealed that prior to Martin's escapades in Iraq he had worked with the Mujahideen in Afghanistan during the Soviet occupation where he met Osama Bin Laden and rescued a young Afghan boy, Izmat Khan, who later became a resistance leader. Khan is portrayed as an heroic Afghan freedom fighter determined to have vengeance against America and careless of his life following the bombing of his village in the Tora Bora mountains which killed his family.

In a highly covert operation Martin is successful in impersonating "The Afghan" (under the code word "crowbar"), a prisoner held in Guantanamo Bay for over five years. Following his re-infiltration to Afghanistan as a repatriated prisoner, and his subsequent stage-managed escape, he makes his way back to an al Qaeda safe house in Pakistan, where he is accepted as a compatriot following his security clearance by "The Sheik", Osama Bin Laden due to the brief encounter years before.

He makes contact with AQ and volunteers to get involved in a suicidal terrorist attack which involves hijacking and re-berthing a tanker off Borneo carrying liquid petroleum gas. Another group hijack a cargo ship in the Caribbean, although this is intended to serve as a cynical decoy. Martin successfully alerts his handlers to the general nature of the threat, but is left incommunicado for several weeks as the ship steams to the US Eastern Seaboard. Despite general mayhem and murder, Martin does not appear to have an actual job description in the plot and never gets personally involved in murdering or torturing any innocent bystanders, so is effectively a supernumerary.

Izmat Khan escapes from US captivity after a US fighter jet accidentally crashes into the secret hiding place in Washington state where Izmat is incarcerated, destroying his guards and the compound wall whilst leaving him unscathed and free to walk out. He is finally shot dead trying to warn his allies using a public phone in Canada, after a long chase across the Cascades.

Eventually the tanker reaches the mid-Atlantic, where a G8 summit is, imaginatively, being held on the Queen Mary 2 liner. Martin finally learns that the terrorists intend to release and then ignite the gas on board the tanker, which could incinerate the Queen Mary 2 as it passed within range. Martin's last minute heroism, quick reflexes and self-sacrifice prevent a tragedy.
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Apr 6, 2011 2:16 PM CST Should novels specific to events like this be banned?
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
IF THE YOUNG TALIB HAD KNOWN THAT MAKING TIS PHONE CALL WOULD KILL HIM but he did not know and he did and it did.

On ? July 2005 four suicide bombers let off their haversack bombs in Central London. They killed 52 commuters and injured about 700, leaving at least 100 crippled for life.
Three of the four were British born and raised but of Pakistani immigrant parentage. the fourth was Jamaican by birth, British by naturalisation, and had converted to Islam.

This is an exerpt from the novelgrin cool
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Apr 6, 2011 2:23 PM CST Should novels specific to events like this be banned?
vinny1967
vinny1967vinny1967Dublin, Cork Ireland131 Threads 7 Polls 11,475 Posts
If Im correct 'The Fist of God' was written by Frederick Forsyth who ois well known for his accurate research, but ut is fiction. I found this book to be a good read laugh

To answer your question, Nope...............why would they be ?
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Apr 6, 2011 2:24 PM CST Should novels specific to events like this be banned?
vinny1967
vinny1967vinny1967Dublin, Cork Ireland131 Threads 7 Polls 11,475 Posts
Typos doh Sawwy
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Apr 6, 2011 2:30 PM CST Should novels specific to events like this be banned?
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
vinny1967: Typos Sawwy

I agree with you, he is a great authour, and his books are historically factual, I think that novels, like songs can define the truth without having political censorship. John Le Carre was another authour who gave historically correct and interesting insights into the way things workcool cool
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Apr 6, 2011 2:41 PM CST Should novels specific to events like this be banned?
Aswina
AswinaAswinaNitra, Slovakia2 Threads 1,373 Posts
any author who comes up with even controversial topics or points of view cannot be banned... we have readers, critics and reviewers, audience and common repute... can help separate readable pieces ... and trash :-)
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Apr 6, 2011 10:56 PM CST Should novels specific to events like this be banned?
solitare
solitaresolitareBariloche, Rio Negro Argentina40 Threads 4,041 Posts
tomcatwarne: I agree with you, he is a great authour, and his books are historically factual, I think that novels, like songs can define the truth without having political censorship. John Le Carre was another authour who gave historically correct and interesting insights into the way things work


It has long been acknowledged that many novels are truths that must be called 'Fiction" in order to be published without undue backlash to the authors.
Absolutely no censorship under any circumstances!!
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Apr 7, 2011 1:15 AM CST Should novels specific to events like this be banned?
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Aswina: any author who comes up with even controversial topics or points of view cannot be banned... we have readers, critics and reviewers, audience and common repute... can help separate readable pieces ... and trash :-)
thumbs up grin cool
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Apr 10, 2011 8:41 AM CST Should novels specific to events like this be banned?
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
Poll Question: Should novels specific to events like this be banned?
Poller: tomcatwarne


RayfromUSA:

I think MI5, MI6, the CIA, Mossad, ISI, and all their counterparts around the world should be banned.

Then not only would all the staged "terrorist activity" mysteriously disappear, but so would the spy-novel industry.
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Apr 10, 2011 9:05 AM CST Should novels specific to events like this be banned?
Godsgift
GodsgiftGodsgiftEnnis, Clare Ireland251 Threads 13 Polls 10,040 Posts
Well, would banning this have made any difference: (notce it was published 14 years before the Titanic sank!

Futility, or the Wreck of the Titan



I was hunting the net for another book that I can't find. It predict Pearl Harbor years before 1941! And banning that would not have stopped it.


The truth is that whether terrorist or legal war, there are set rules of engagement that are followed. When it comes to terrorist cells and the like, the book was written by those brave men and women of the Maquis (The French Resistance of WW2).

The pincer movement that armies follow today was invented by Chaka Zulu against the British.

There is nothing new in any book when it comes to military action.



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Apr 10, 2011 11:26 AM CST Should novels specific to events like this be banned?
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
tomcatwarne:
On ? July 2005 four suicide bombers set off their haversack bombs in Central London.


So we are told.

But the evidence strongly suggests that the bombs were actually planted in the undercarriage of the trains and behind the ceiling panel of the bus.


Many of the photographs and films which supposedly constitute "proof" of the alleged bombers' identities were clearly faked.







What's more, the only bus involved was inexplicably re-routed that morning and held stationary for several minutes at the blast location by cars blocking its way, and it happened to be a place where the bomb would not seriously damage any buildings.

Ask yourself, why would young men blow themselves up instead of simply leaving a bomb under a seat and getting off the train or bus? Especially young men who loved sports and had pregnant wives and who had no known religious affiliations.

Supposed "suicide bombers" are the perfect patsies. They can't protest their innocence or dispute the supposed "facts" because they are dead. Any lies can be said about them in the media, and nobody's going to dispute those lies too vigorously for fear of being accused as an accomplice.
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Apr 10, 2011 11:46 AM CST Should novels specific to events like this be banned?
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
tomcatwarne: I don't think any novel should be banned, but was interested in seeing how many people were in favour of it, it's surprising and disquieting how many people are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


One of the major purposes of staged terror is to reinforce government's power over the people. Not just physically, by tougher laws and less freedom, but also psychologically. A paranoid population is much less resistant to excessive control than a population at ease.
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Apr 10, 2011 1:35 PM CST Should novels specific to events like this be banned?
solitare
solitaresolitareBariloche, Rio Negro Argentina40 Threads 4,041 Posts
RayfromUSA: Poll Question: Should novels specific to events like this be banned?
Poller: tomcatwarneRayfromUSA:

I think MI5, MI6, the CIA, Mossad, ISI, and all their counterparts around the world should be banned.

Then not only would all the staged "terrorist activity" mysteriously disappear, but so would the spy-novel industry.





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Apr 10, 2011 2:06 PM CST Should novels specific to events like this be banned?
Snuggs09
Snuggs09Snuggs09Somewhere, New Jersey USA128 Threads 1 Polls 2,615 Posts
tomcatwarne: I don't think any novel should be banned, but was interested in seeing how many people were in favour of it, it's surprising and disquieting how many people are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



thumbs up No censorship. I read books like this all the time, in particular, Ken Follett.
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Apr 13, 2011 5:07 PM CST Should novels specific to events like this be banned?
RayfromUSA
RayfromUSARayfromUSAvienne, Rhone-Alpes France86 Threads 29 Polls 6,611 Posts
tomcatwarne:
Poll Question: Should novels specific to events like this be banned?


Only if they endorse Obama.
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