who was it first who said Christ was God...? (39)
Whoever wrote the stories about it of course.
MikeHD: This should be a fun addition:"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it." John 1:1-5
And then the kicker:
"And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth." John 1:14
The first chapter of John open like an episode of Fringe. Its my favorite of the four gospels.
And then the kicker:
"And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth." John 1:14
The first chapter of John open like an episode of Fringe. Its my favorite of the four gospels.
Sis you know that it should be translated as "it", not "he"? "It was in the beginning with God", because the Greek "logos" is neuter. Masculine nouns attract masculine pronouns, neuter nouns attract neuter pronouns. The word gender has nothing to do with the gender of the thing it refers to, for things are things, not persons even if in the Greek they are referred to as "he" or "she".
John simply recalls the ancient Jewish belief that God in the beginning created the Torah, and afterwards created everything else by consulting the Torah. The imagery is that of the master architect who first draws up the plan, then consulting the plan he builds the house.
The term "logos" in the Greek is "wisdom" which was equated with the Torah hundreds of years before John wrote these verses.
To me, it's like saying, "Who said 'I love you' first"? Is not having love between the two not enough? Is it not enough for Christ to be God without knowing who said it first?
But for Conrads sake, from my understanding Christ made the declaration first in it's full meaning....book of John 8:58-59; John 10:30-33.
But for Conrads sake, from my understanding Christ made the declaration first in it's full meaning....book of John 8:58-59; John 10:30-33.
MikeHD: This should be a fun addition:"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it." John 1:1-5
And then the kicker:
"And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth." John 1:14
The first chapter of John open like an episode of Fringe. Its my favorite of the four gospels.
And then the kicker:
"And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us, and we saw His glory, glory as of the only begotten from the Father, full of grace and truth." John 1:14
The first chapter of John open like an episode of Fringe. Its my favorite of the four gospels.
Hello MikeHD. First time meeting I believe. Nice to meet you.
I was going to refer to that passage but had second thoughts because, although that makes reference to Christ, it isn't directly related to Christ from the readers point of view. And I took the OP as asking from the view point of men. If I'm mistaken, sory.
Mr. Camping.
Conrad73: and how could he be the Son Of David,since Joseph wasn't the Father!
And don't even bring up that tenuous Explanation,that somehow Mary was of the Davidian Lineage!
And don't even bring up that tenuous Explanation,that somehow Mary was of the Davidian Lineage!
In Jesus' own words, "If you can not understand things in earthly terms, how can you understand things in spiritual terms?".
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"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it." John 1:1-5
And then the kicker:
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