Sojourner Forum Posts (472)

RE: what's up with this????

Agree with these points.

RE: Sarkozy bans burqa wearing.

Why are you smacking your head conrad? I posted that about Holland because bebe posted that Holland had implemented a full ban on burkas. She was wrong. That's all.

RE: Sarkozy bans burqa wearing.

This doesn't actually sound like a proposed ban. Sounds like some right wing radio personality is calling for a ban.



updated: Friday, 16 January 2009 at 11.12am
Call for Islamic burqas to be banned in Australia
Michael Smith, Brisbane's 4BC's drive presenter, on Wednesday said wearing a burqa posed a security risk because it also obscured the face, making identification difficult when a crime had been committed.

Mr Smith suggested fines for women wearing burqas in certain places but said it would be easier if they were banned altogether in public.

He said burqas could hide the identity of anyone committing a criminal act, despite no known cases of criminals wearing them in Australia.

The station is backing Mr Smith and says it has had no formal complaints from listeners.

Islamic Council of Queensland president Suliman Sabdia said he was disappointed by Mr Smith's remarks.

"He has every right to say it but we do say he displays intolerance, and a complete lack of understanding of the Muslim code of conduct," he said.

Retailers Association executive director Scott Driscoll said it had been a long accepted practice to require customers to remove helmets and other identity-obscuring headwear when entering a shop or bank.

"This is about ensuring a more safe and secure retail environment for all and being able to readily identify any and all perpetrators of armed hold-ups or shop theft."

RE: Sarkozy bans burqa wearing.

That constant head banging really makes you look like an idiot. How about you reading the posts regarding how these women can hide bombs and other weapons within the flowing skirts of the burka? It is not all about hiding the face. If it were, we would be talking about banning the scarf that covers the face, not the entire burka.

RE: Sarkozy bans burqa wearing.

By REUTERS
Published: January 24, 2008
The government has decided it will not impose a general ban on the wearing of burqas and similar garments in public on security grounds, but will bar them and full-face veils at schools and for government workers, local news reports said. They said the government had concluded that a broad ban would violate the constitutionally guaranteed freedom of religion. About a million Muslims live in the Netherlands, and Muslim groups say just 50 to 100 women regularly wear a burqa. Geert Wilders, the right-wing leader of an anti-immigration party, sent a bill to Parliament last July proposing a ban on the burqa in public.



Well, you are wrong about the Netherlands, and probably wrong about Australia and Belgium as well. This is why I ask you to give sources as you cannot just make claims like this w/o proof.

RE: Sarkozy bans burqa wearing.

This is not citing sources this is just repeating essentially the same thing. What is the source for this information?

RE: Sarkozy bans burqa wearing.

RE: Sarkozy bans burqa wearing.

Nathan Hale [I meant Voltaire] had other things in mind than the burqa, I'm sure. You need to make a bit of an intellectual transition to understand my point....It's about an abstract idea, not an specific event.

RE: Sarkozy bans burqa wearing.

First, I was thinking of Voltaire,who said he may disagree with someone, but would defend his right to say it. The intellectual transition you need to make (see how helpful I am ) is that one does not need to agree with another's position to feel compelled to defend their right to have that position...whether it is freedom of speech or freedom of action.

RE: Sarkozy bans burqa wearing.

These women are taken to a private cubicle and examined by female airport security inspectors. You are in no danger.

RE: Sarkozy bans burqa wearing.

Yes, I know. I am agree with you.

RE: Sarkozy bans burqa wearing.

While I don't agree with your entire post, do agree with this point. They have also created a great deal of suspicion and fear about Islam in general.

RE: Sarkozy bans burqa wearing.

Yes, it's interesting. Is Sarkozy planning to ban the Catholic nun's habit as well?

RE: Sarkozy bans burqa wearing.

Sorry it's Voltaire I am thinking of: "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"

RE: Sarkozy bans burqa wearing.

Because it is an expression of religious faith and identity. And I am not making decisions about why they wear it. I am defending their right to wear it. Did you not learn about Nathan Hale in school social studies class?

RE: Sarkozy bans burqa wearing.

Says who? Cite the sources for this claim please.

RE: Sarkozy bans burqa wearing.

What out. He's been traveling. Keep an eye on who is parking their RV on your high street.

RE: Sarkozy bans burqa wearing.

It is not up to you to decide whether or not any reasons for wearing it are 'sufficient.' Why they wear it is not up to you. Unbelievable.

RE: Sarkozy bans burqa wearing.

I am not assuming to...I'm not the one who said our cultures, you are.

RE: Sarkozy bans burqa wearing.

What on earth would be intimidating about a naked man? Would you be intimidated if a naked woman were walking down your high street?

RE: Sarkozy bans burqa wearing.

Well then America is just as bad because it bans religious expression in schools and all state run institutions--exactly as in Turkey. So there is nothing to complain about, unless you want to start ranting and raving about how bad America is for being a secular government that bans religion in state sponsored institutions.

RE: Sarkozy bans burqa wearing.

Only in your opinion because you DO NOT UNDERSTAND the purpose and meaning of the burka.

RE: Sarkozy bans burqa wearing.

RE: Sarkozy bans burqa wearing.

Honey, you are not French. Your cultural norms are not in question. The discussion is about France banning the burka or abaya. Has nothing to do with you personally or your culture. France is not one of your countries, doesn't belong to you--the French people would be unlikely to acknowledge you sense of ownership over their culture.

RE: Sarkozy bans burqa wearing.

It is really about dislike and fear of Islam. It is xenophobia. Actually has nothing to do with clothing.

RE: Sarkozy bans burqa wearing.

Just exactly which countries are your countries??????

RE: Sarkozy bans burqa wearing.

This is the annoying and funny thing: most of the people expressing their opinions about this issue, which is a European issue, essentially, have never been to either Europe or the Middle East or any other Muslim country let alone lived in these places. As you say, morgan, it is really like talking to a wall, or a closed door. The mind is closed.

RE: Sarkozy bans burqa wearing.

Only in school. ONLY IN SCHOOL!!! Because the schools are state supported and religious expression is banned. Just like American institutions being state supported and religion not be allowed in public schools--praying, etc. You know what I meant and are trying to twist what I said so you can imply I'm not being logical. But I am. I was not banned from wearing a cross if I wanted to, except in the school. It's a very different thing than completely banning women from wearing a certain item of clothing in public, anywhere at any time. And my other point was that I was not pressured to conform to their religious ideas and banned from mine. No one in the schools is allowed to wear any type of religious gear, whatever the religion. Which is the real point here. So your red words and head banging are just a way to try to bully and insult, but they don't work.

RE: im a blundering idiot...

RE: Sarkozy bans burqa wearing.

Literally one could say a government has the right to dictate anything to anyone, even in a democracy if the populous accepts it with their votes. However, what I am saying is that just because some countries dictate such things, it does not mean I have to accept that a country should, I do not believe it is okay to do what isn't right just because someone else is doing what is not right.

Again, we are talking about a garment, clothing. It causes no harm to anyone. It is not, as bodeling said, like eating a babies--it is not a harmful, terrible thing. And it is an expression of religious faith, which, according the perspective of modern democracies, should be respected. As well, as I said, I lived in two Muslim countries and was not dictated to in any way as to what I should wear.