I did not know we talked 'serious things' here.....I thought it was mostly trash talk.......
Sorry, I better give the American slang definition of 'trash talk'....to get into another face and to give words on the qualities and values of the other's family, heritage, culture or faith......
Example....trashing talking at a basketball game......were the 7 foot center has just dunked over a 6'5" guard.....afterwards to you a period of "trash talk".
They can buy and sell autos with food stamps....who needs a cash for clunker program. When you can get food stamps to buy a car with?
Unemployment is still high. The rate of foreclusors is slightly higher....the value of the residential property across the coutry has flat lined. The 2012 vote will again be about economic.....only about how the DEM have messed it up.
Also this...in the 2012....Senate DEM are running 2 to 1 over REP. There are 22 Dem senator running and 11 REP. Of the 22 DEMs.....11 are in tightly projected races. Only 4 REP are in tightly projected races. So the chance that the DEM lose the Senate...is really looking good.
If we figure out the Presidential race, baby...and placed solid team that keep the Tea Party IND and Mod, and holds the REP Christian and conservatives ...the REP/TEA Party could have control of all three.
FYI....the FED Treasury that also does economic reports.....came out with one today....that says the high unemployment rate of the country is going to with us for 'several years' in to the future.
That even though the GNP is rising, structural unemployment within the economy still is occuring. Hence the high unemployment rate for several years.
Well cough cough.....if that is the case...does it not make great sense to stimulate your best job creator? The small business sector? If you have structural unemployment....do you stimulate the service sectors like banking, insurance, health care. Or do you stimulate your goods and service sectors.....like auto manufacturing, small biz, agr and general exporting?
People don't say it...but Obamacare is a type of stimulus package for health care. They shuffled money are from one area to another...but billion of increase spending were done.
The TARP was done to large bailout the super wealthy banks and insurance firms.Toss in some for the Auto makers and thier unions.
Right now the summer of recovery had turned into the fall of confidence in the Obama administration and is quickly heading into the winter of discontent by unemployed American public.
Please why don't you give us some comment on what you see in the videos and tell us how they were orchestrated in Hamas controlled Gaza? I need more good giggles today....
They are to busy eating at the five star Root's Restraunt and enjoying life with the goods from the well stock stores and from smugglers tunnels...to worry about coming to CS to debate this.
Am sorry, mikygr...when I saw those video....they lost my sympathies.
Florida just broke a state record.....3m are on food stamps.
Highest number of people ever on the government dole and hand out. The counties unemployment is 12.2%. But when you add the underemployed to the figure it just under 20%.
So who fault is it?
People want to know. They are nearing the tipping point. Just like in the French revolution, were the pheasants decided that eating the cake of M. Atonniette was not good enough...having her head was better.
The DEM said spend billions and the economy will improve unemployment will stay below 8%. Then they said it will be a slow improvement. But don't worry a double dip recession, inflation, or the 400 billions that Fannie and Freddie need to keep house over your head.
DEMs have it covered.
Well inflation has been steady rise. The double dip still gets mention every a bump in the road happens. And we have not spent any money to solver the Fannie Freddi problem yet.
But the DEM cannot even the country tax codes and tell if the Bush tax breaks are going to extended or ended to partially done.
So the DEMs don't have it covered. They are guessing. Not only that they continue to be arrogant about the pain that is in the country... It not DEM fault but those nasty REP.....that spent all that money to fight two wars. Well the last two years it was a DEM Congress. If they felt so strongly about the cost of the wars....why did they vote the budgets for it?
Cough cough....if one war was a wrong war at the wrong time....then count funding for it.
Cough, cough....or take responsibility for your votes and your earmarks. Stand up to the American people and say I voted for this earmark and it was the wrong/right thing to do. I voted or the Iraq war surge fund, to was wrong to to....I don't mind if the country continued to free fall into a insurrection and civil war.
Obviously this kind of directness by the DEMs is not coming. But it is what the peasants that eat Antoniette's cake....deserve and demand to hear. With our renew friendship with the French, I hear the guellitine that she lost her head on is still available for abusing officials.
Obama only set 200 of the free yesterday...to save them from the pending day ahead. On the White House Lawn lawn outside.....weeping and crying turkey chicks were seen.....many asking....were is mom.....were is dad.
In a soft and confronting moment, President Obama went to the lawn....and said wait 'till next year'....'when we get to have you for Thanksgiving'. The innocent turkey chicks then fled in disgust and fear.....calling him a war monger and brutalizer of turkeys.
When informed that many of their parents had ended up in GITMO were they faced President Obama's brutal waterboarding and other IETs. The chicks decided to begin Operation Code Chartruse. Were they picket President Obama for his war time crimes.
When asked if a turkey could be waterboarded....none of the chicks knew....but all said...if there was a man alive that could and would do it...it was President Obama.
Hearing the chicks fate and concern for their parents...Huffington post began to the give them blog space. Move On Dot Org. a George Zoros funded group is holding online funding rallies for them. PETA is demanding that Turkeys become the new national symbol replacing the Eagle.
When flying, turkeys trying to pass thru TSA security lines....are frequently asked to preform unnatural acts. They consider is a form 'foul discrimination'. They are planning to have TSA security protest day......next year.....were they demand pat down search of their feather bodies. No comment from the TSA yet, but one said if the turkey is roasted I will pat it down really well.
The ACLU has picked up the plight of the Turkey. Is fiiing 'a save the turkey lawsuit' that is sure to go the Supreme court. Obama Supreme court has already made some preliminary rulings. His two new court appointee both said...they like cornbread stuff turkey over bread stuff turkey.
This controversey of the American turkey has gone to the Hill....were Ried, Pelosi, and Boehner have made comment. Palin is planning to have TLC special on how she cooks turkeys in the remote outback of Alaska.
Media has jumped into the fray...with CNN doing a special segment on the last days of a turkey. FOX has set aside a special one hour segment asking the fair balance question....what is the life of a turkey like?
Down in Texas, GWB said this year he is glad someone else is deep roasted like a turkey, instead of him. McCain said that if the turkeys would have turned out for him in 2008, he would have left 400 of them go free.
Yep sounds like every one is going to get a Happy Thanksgiving here in the USA....well of course Mr. Tom Turkey.....
Korea. President Obama has sent a battle carrier fleet to Korean water.
The mission(s) have not been defined. So here we have a inexperience POTUS that has never put on a military uniform....facing off with a nuclear armed country....that just took 1 and 1/2 hours of 5 inch pot shots and torpedo sank a frigate of a neighboring country. Tore up the 60 year peace truce a few months back.So officially a state of war exists.
Just got China to accept that that South Korea fired the first rounds in the artillery duel. As they said in their media of recent.
And you want me to believe he is a better POTUS for the situation than John McCain, a 20 year naval Lt Commander officer with carrier certification. That was in a far east prison camp for 6 years. that has 6 terms in the US Senate?
You cannot see how McCain would use this battle carrier fleet in a total different way....against the North Korean.....than Obama will? Would not use our military assets in the region, totally different than Obama will?
Can you really say....that the South Koreans are happy with Obama in the position.....and McCain is not? They have not been singing Obama praises, if you have not noticed.
He is doing well so far....but this face off has just begun. NKorea is sitting back seeing how he deploys. Waiting on orders from Peking. This one is more than deployments.......what should he do with the 120 aircraft of various type that are on that carrier? What missions should they go on? Or do they sit on the launch deck for making pictures?
Well when the Indians of Indiana begin to act up, I am sure she will have opinion to the issue. Maybe President Obama can send the National Guard to secure their fenced reservations to keep them from crossing into the rest of the country.....
They were a unvoted Majority, Chris....they did not have a nation state to have a voting process. That is and has been the problem for them. It is simple..... without a vote....it is speculation to the vote out come.
Maybe a strong local Palestine would have spoken eloquently for a two state solution....
You are speculating of events that did not occur.
I go to a horse race. I place $100 on the horse with the highest odds...the horse least likely to win. A 1000 to 1 shot. Then....a rain storm comes in and the race is canceled.....I get my $100 back and I can say....I should have got a $100,000....my horse was a sure thing to win. Yet I still don't have the $100,000
Respectfully until the Palestine get a nation state to vote in, it is the same.
LOL...how well did you do with that? After the British left Greece.....the Greek folded like a cheap suit in a wind storm.
Maybe this is why the Greeks have a thing for the English. All this talk about the 1814 Balfour agreement by you and Mekgyr. You all are still upset because the Englsih pulled out of Greece in front of the German WWII advance....and went to Malta and Cyprus.
So this is just some geo political payback for a WWII military decision to save a British army. I mean when the German para landed on Cyprus....it was the Greeks that met them in hand to hand fighting at the drop zones.
The reason. The English had refused to give the Greek's ammo. They feared that the Greeks had switched sides with the fall of Greece. These Cypriot Greeks were still loyal....and were heroic as they assaulted the heavily armed German para in hand to hand. But they were cut down by the German in large numbers. The Greeks never forgave the Brits for the loses they took on Cyprus....
That is why you mix in the Greek/British WWII stuff into your post. It is still a real wound to Greeks....to be occupied by the Germans and to be treated by the Brits as being disloyal....
How am I doing Chris? Mekgyr? You guys got to let this stuff go.....it is ancient history.
China state run news...just came out with it first take on the Korean Island artillery exchange. Last night their media led with it but had a slightly different take on things.
The had a North Korean official on that said South Korea fired the first shots.
While there is video evidence that they first rounds to fall were in the South Korean Island. It seems China has decided to ignore the images and settle for the NKorean version.
China is going to be allot of help in this situation. Or should I say....self help.....it it does not help China, don't expect them to do anything.
The rest of the media was pretty much a distortion and a dissemination of old rheortic on the virtues of the solicialist and communist relationship between China and North Korea.
No wonder google, twitter and facebook have been controlled in China. The Chinese did not want any outside live video of this preplanned attack on South Korea...leaking into the country. Inside China, the bad guys and first trigger puller here is the South Koreans.
This attack has been planned ever since the Chinese pressed for the control for google, facebook, twitter source. What did the Obama admiinstration say to when the communist government controlled their imputted sources into the country? Nothing. Said it was within the rights of the Chinese gov't to do such.
The SKorean attack was planned jointly....by both China and NKorea.
If that realization is not causing the White House to shudder....it should be. They have just handed off the leadership of 6 Party talks to the Chinese....by defacto....absence. Now the Chinese and NKorean are months ahead in a plan to control the far east. Personally, I doubt that they made the connection till just now.....when they that media report from Peking.
China is soon to field the US carrier killer cruise missile...the Dong Fong D21....then China will soon make military operations on the Island of Tiawan. With the US still deployed in the middle east...in south Korea.....to a make successful defense of Tiawan is a looking thin.
With China in the lead of the 6 party....all these military operations will only end when its military goals have been met. NKorea in SKorea. China in Tiawan. Give them a year of so....toss in Japan.
So what stops all this conventional warfare? US nuclear weapons. That President Obama is placing on the table with START. That President Obama wants to have a quick Senate ratification during the lame duck. I always wondered what 765b in Chinese T-bills bought....I think that I now know.
With Thanksgiving holiday on us....few in the US are watching closely the events in the far east. It will be that way thru the Christmas and New Years. China knows this. Right now they are planning Thanksgiving in Peking....with Tiawan duck.
President Obama better figure a way to get his gen y and x ers followrs to enlist. He is going to need them. He said he would expand the Army and Marine Corp by 60,000-70,000. But failed to do so. Cut high tech weapons by 110b. Is planning future DoD cuts. And most significantly trying to get START ratified in the Senate.
Every step he has taken.....has played into the Chinese plan of far east domination and expansion.
LOL...it was a great country before President Obama took office and will be a great country after he leaves office. Yes, a few dollar shorter in the pocket. But still a great country.
Pundit here are saying this was a act of war in Korea.
The White House is saying that restraint is needed to be shown by the South.
The South is saying that they considering a massive response to the agression.
Two SKorean marines were killed and many other injured. Including SKorean civilians. Number unknown at present. Homes on the Island are burning.
SKorea returned the Nkorea fire.
The Pentagon is saying....that 'strong military response' is being planned, but not a invasion of the north.
President Obama got the call on this last night at 3:18AM. Both the National Security Council and the Joint Chiefs have met on the issue.
Right now....none want a esculation....but that make a big BUT....most are saying the South needs to respond in a manner. I have not thrown the book away quiet yet. But if those Nkorea divisions are massing and concentrating....we need to get the tactical nucs to SKorea...ASAP.
Sorry old chap about that START treaty.....seems we might have a use for a few of them soon.
But more 'interesting responses' are being planned.....my kind of stuff.....
I think that I want to talk about Americans are concerned about today.
The TSA and Korea.
The Chamber of Commerce, we have had with us for ages. The economics of Clinton is well in the past. The unemployment has varied between the parties over the last 40 years. Great it is history.
What about the President's handling of NKorea?
I heard earlier today, Washington promised to support SKorea with a military response. My gosh, I hope it more than surfacing boomer offshore of NKorea.
I saw the video images the Island that NKorea shelled. They raked the Island from end to the other. What ever was on the Island that they did not like....they intended to get. It was no small shelling....they laid in several 100s rounds...likely 5 inch ...that is their best gun. This ToT shelling was 15 to 30 minutes in time....depending on the number of tubes they had firing.
I know Dude, President Obama will have the proper and approraite military response.....yawning .....here......if it takes 14 months to figure out...the next Kim kid will be ready to be Premier.
He needs something now....tomorrow....something sooner and not later.
Figure this some. The NKorea shows the American sciencist their new nuc facility, then shells this island. They want a strike on that nuc facility. If Obama goes there.....they are going to find more anti aircraft than is healthy for any air worthy aircraft needs to have fired at it. We need to find other targets or other points for our military operations.
We don't want to lose people or aircraft over NKorea. Later they all become bargaining chips...either their remains or in prisoner negotiations. If we agress with aircraft, it is a act of war....and the US just started the kicking match.
We have to be smart here. Yes, it is tit for a tat. But that is exactly how the Koreans war was ended. They would make a agression, we would make a agression. Till both figured it out that it was better to be at the peace table.
You say they are going to do the 6 party/Nkorea talks ...they do it now....it is like saying bully can kick you on the play ground and get away with it. Then the teacher forces you to give your lunch to him for a ransom not to do it again. That far east saving face thing. President Obama will lose more respect and prestige in the far east. None of us want to see that.
I have some ideas.....they need to be researched and sourced out....likely you will not see me around for a time.
Neither will like the fall out from on target strikes in Korea. So I agree. They both have a horse in the race so to speak. Japan has asked the US in the past of anti missile defense batteries...Patriot and THADD.... when Nkorea first got the nuc. Not sure if they were sent. But I think that they were.
Most mil analysis say....that if Nkorea begins to lose this conflict....they will try to bring both China and Japan into it. Which make allot of sense from their stand point. Our bases in Japan were untouchable to them during the first Korean war. They made a Nkorean victory very unlikely.
To me the wild card and decision maker here is China. If China tells NKorea...no war....then little old and poor old NKorea is going to say no to that? NKorea needs China, more than China needs NKorea.
Also if China says....have it (make war) but we are not coming along for the ride....it might be one of the fastest way to reunite the two countries...but this is going to be a truly tragic war. With very high civilian death numbers. Both have high density populated cities.
The Hindu and Muslim were about ethnically and religiously divided as it came. It turned to violence after the separation of the two countries. The Muslims that left India for Pakistani were brutalized for days on a rail road....with mass murders and rapes by Hindus.
I don't were you get your history from, Chris...but it only reflects one thing....a very strange Islamic bias.
You are misquoting me....I am saying make Israel one country....and Muslims will immigrate to the country and push Jew and Christian out.
South Korean who have been protesting the US road bumps in SKoria....have been taking a beating recently. With the NKorea sinking ships and firing artillery at them.
Right now those protesters are sitting in their home....saying...gee I wish we had a few more road bumps out there....the 37,5000 American troop in SKorea are looking alittle thin right now. The American forces and the ROK forces...up against the 2m man NKorea Army...might be a little buzy here in the near future.
I am hoping that President Obama....realizes that this is his first real 3am phone call....because if he is snoozing or blinks.....all of Korea is in deep dodo.
Because eventually 1.3b Muslim can potentially immigrate to the single country....and force out the Christian and Jews....Muslims then can make the country the "Procterate of Iran on the Med".
No disagreement here, RDM. Remember back a few months when NKorea fired into the DMZ? I think that they were short ranging to targets in Soul.
They were short firing for target bracketing In Soul. It is a way to pre acquire targets with artillery. You just change increase the angle of the tube, to give more flight to the projectile. More flight, longer distance.
Did the Palestinee of 1914 have a country or a protecterate? They did not have a country. So the decision was not theirs to make. Had they a country with the aspects of a country....then those decisions could have been theirs.
Today, Abbas can have a country. All he needs to is sign a peace agreement. Agree to the two state solution. They want tomake decisions, here is their chance to make some.
The smart move is for them to get a nation state....then they can negotiate in the future with Isreal, Lebanon, Egypt, Syria or Jordan for more land. Peaceful land purchases between countries have happened all the time. The US purchase of Alaska (from Russia) and Lousiana Purchase (from France) as examples.
They go with a one state solution in to the issue...here is what I think will happen.
You have one country....of Muslim, Christian, and Jew. First Muslims from all over the region will immigrate into the country. What first balance to the voting blocks will soon be weighted by Muslims. E.G. by defacto the muslim will gain majority in the country....and that will force both Jews and Christian out the country.
That has been done time in again in history by Muslim countries in the Middle East, Africa and Asia. Most Muslim countries have a 95+% population of Muslims. Leaving only the remants of the other major religions as minorities in the country.
If the Jew and Christian now rebell against this single state Muslim Israel (or what ever they would call it). Then that is only a great reason to exterminate both Christian and Jew....
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