Hi Royalee Just a couple of things: The people involved in the court were not men (as such) they were barristers and gardai ext who were there as expert witnesses ext, that they happened to be men is not really the point, nowdays they could just as easily be women.
Retired Det.garda Jerry O'Carroll (who writes a column for the Evening Herald) was talking about this case a couple of years ago. He struck rigidly to the original garda belief and I have to say he made a compelling case. He said that if Joanne was telling the truth it meant that two babies were given birth to by two different women on the same day just five miles apart and then abandoned, that would be quite a coincidence. On the other hand Joanne has consistenly called for DNA tests to finally clear her name of any doubt, that too is convincing.
People were outraged that she and her family were bullied by the gardai but she doesn't come out of the whole thing looking too good I think.
The threads are attacking feminism not women, big difference and I can't see why they would stop anyone from coming on the forums, not all threads are to everyone's taste, you can pick and choose which threads you want surely?
Of course I don't think it's ok that the state didn't help these kids out enough, the point I'm making - and which you ignore - is that the harm was done to these kids long before the state came into their lives. Logically then the state should have taken them into care long before they did, but you are against that too.
You have the mistaken belief that families will be fine if only the state would keep out of them, this has been shown over and over again to be wrong. Some people should never be allowed to have children, for everyone's sake, all that is at question is how do you stop them.
Your conclusion is wrong. It's a bit like saying you should never go into hospital because hospitals are dangerous places...after all so many people die in them! Lol The children who died while in state care did so because they came from dysfunctional families in the first place, it wasn't being in state care that killed them it was the lack of structure and discipline in their lives that resulted from their dysfunctional families. In short that is an argument for more state intervention, the sooner the child is taken from a dysfunctional family the less damage has been done to them and the more chance they have a having a good life.
British troops on British soil? shock horror!!!! They are there because of a terrorist threat I imagine.
Nothing wrong with righting an injustice...as long as it doesnt' cause a new injustice.
You are talking about a civil war, that's what would happen if your friends in the dissident groups suceed.
I don't doubt for a minute the Irish identity of plenty of people up North and the Irish street names ext....what I'm talking about is the constitutional position of the North. It's British because the majority of the people are British.
The people imprisoned you mention...don't know them except for Marian Price and thank god she is in prison, twisted bitter terrorist that she is.
Unfortunately when it comes to deciding what country they belong to it has to be a majority decision, everything else though should be done by negotiation.
The prods have been there for about four hundred years, not as long as the catholics maybe but would you really think they have less entitlement than the catholics because of that?
True, that's not how the catholic minority see it, but think of the alternative for a minute, an even bigger protestant minority forced to live in a 'united' Ireland. They would feel exactly the same way as the catholics do now.
You simply don't understand democratic values, probably because you've been lied to all your life, you think that historical events trump democratic values, well they don't, not if you want a civilised world!
The north isn't 'occupied'. How it became British isn't relevant, unless you want to go about righting ancient wrongs (real or imagined), and if you do you go down the blood-stained path of civil war. Fortunately most people can see the democratic principle involved (even the Shinners, belatedly).
It's very simple, you can either have modern democratic values or something less civilised than that, the majority of people will always choose the second option.
Northern Ireland is British, different from the rest of Britain in many ways I'm sure but still British.
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