I agree - but as I read somewhere (I think it was in rizlareds thread) there are ways to stop the spill - but they would loose the possibility to get more oil from there..
And.. even on top of that the pour out millions of litres of one of the most poisenous dispersions... Jeopardizing even more with ecology - well there`s no words left for this but
I`m sure that you know my opinion, it has been revealed several times.
But I do get tired of the word games here, since I always try to present my view in a decent manner. And still getting accused for being antisemitic, islamlover, terroristsupporter and other harsh shoutouts...
So yes I do keep up on the news on internet - and make sure that you always can see from where I get my information - I prefer to stick to more neutral sources to avoid even more accuses of extremism.. (I sometimes wonder where others get their info from - FOX? Glenn Beck??)
My last copy/past stunts were simply to back up and support my answers to Alberta - it is easier and faster than arguing yes-no-yes-no with him - and it came up quite comfortable at that moment.. But as you know - even facts can`t convince him (Sometimes I suspect he plays the devils advocate here) Don`t worry - he will take that as a compliment wouldn`t you Alberta??
In fact it was reading these threads that caught my attention on this issue. What surprised me most was the aggression that I saw from especially one side here. (And yes, that is not the side I chose).
So I started to read about the subject - sought information from both sides, and as I tend to see the humanitarian angle on things and since I am a fast reader - it did not take me a long time to make my conclusion. It was too obvious for me.
And knowing just a bit about psychology, "the other camp" actually opened my eyes for what is really going on down there. So mission failed if that was the purpose
I think you could use my methods with great advance Costa - the internet is a great source of info - just take care you don`t get lost - it is a jungle out there!!! Some people loose their ways.
Arab League chief Amr Moussa in first visit to Gaza Page last updated at 09:53 GMT, Sunday, 13 June 2010 10:53 UK E-mail this to a friend Printable version It is the first visit from a senior Arab official since 2007 The Head of the Arab League is visiting the Gaza Strip, the first senior Arab official to do so since the Islamist militant group Hamas took over in 2007.
Amr Moussa's visit is partly intended to add to pressure on Israel to end its Gaza blockade, correspondents say.
Nine people were killed when Israeli troops boarded an aid flotilla trying to break the blockade on 31 May.
Israel and Egypt have held a tightened blockade on Gaza since Hamas seized control of the Palestinian territory.
Mr Moussa's trip will also be aimed at trying to heal a rift between Hamas and Fatah, who control the West Bank.
"This blockade which we are all here to confront must be broken and the position of the Arab League is clear," Mr Moussa said as he was met by Palestinian leaders at the Rafah crossing with Egypt.
Following the flotilla raid, Egypt opened its border with Gaza allowing people with valid passes to cross.
Egypt has said the crossing will remain open "indefinitely".
'Unsustainable'
Mr Moussa is scheduled to meet with the leaders of Hamas, as well as other factions in the territory.
Analysis Continue reading the main story Tim Franks, BBC News, Jerusalem Amr Moussa's visit carries significance on two levels.
It is intended to add to the growing international pressure for Israel to lift its blockade of Gaza - a blockade which Israel argues is necessary to preserve security, but whose rationale and effects on the people of Gaza is, elsewhere, widely opposed.
Mr Moussa's appearance in Gaza also extends a hand to Hamas - an Islamist movement the Arab League has up to now preferred to keep at arm's length.
There will be further talk now of trying to broker a reconciliation between Hamas and Fatah - the two main, bitterly divided Palestinian factions.
But there is also some back-covering here: Arab diplomats are well aware that in recent times some of the most vocal support for Gaza has come from two countries not in the Arab League - Turkey and Iran. He is also expected to meet local businessmen and non-governmental organisations during the 10-hour trip.
Mr Moussa's trip is also aimed at finding a way of bringing two Palestinian factions, Hamas and Fatah together, says the BBC's Tim Franks in Jerusalem.
Hamas gunmen drove Fatah out of Gaza in 2007, and relations between the two groups remain strained.
The trip was announced soon after the flotilla of ships, led by the Turkish Mavi Marmara, were prevented from entering the waters off Gaza.
'EU will move to end blockade' By ASSOCIATED PRESS AND JPOST.COM STAFF 06/12/2010 14:58
Spain to propose EU exert pressure on Israel to end Gaza blockade. Talkbacks (46) Spain will propose the European Union exert strong diplomatic pressure on Israel to end its blockade of the Gaza Strip, the country's Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero said on Saturday.
The Spanish prime minister said at a joint press conference with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas that Spain wants to "forge a strong common position" with EU countries in the face of the humanitarian situation in Gaza.
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Zapatero said Spain's Foreign Minister, Miguel Angel Moratinos, would propose the EU deploy "all its political and diplomatic capability" to end the Gaza blockade at its foreign affairs council on Monday. He said he was confident European countries would back the proposal, as well as efforts by White House Middle East envoy George Mitchell to try and rebuild trust between Israeli and Palestinian leaders.
In the days following the Gaza flotilla raid, Abbas called for the UN Security Council to protect the Palestinians and end the blockade on Gaza.
Riyadh opens air space for run on nuke facilities, paper says msnbc.com staff and news service reports updated 2:05 a.m. ET June 12, 2010
LONDON - Saudi Arabia will allow Israel to use a narrow corridor of its airspace in the north of the country to shorten the distance for a bombing run on Iran's nuclear facilities, the London Times reported on Saturday.
Quoting unnamed U.S. defense sources, the newspaper said Riyadh conducted tests to be sure its own jets would not be scrambled and missile defenses not be activated so Israeli bombers could pass by without problems.
The path would shorten Israel's bomb run, The Times said.
Once the Israelis go through, the kingdom’s air defenses would return to full alert, the newspaper said.
"The Saudis have given their permission for the Israelis to pass over and they will look the other way," said a U.S. defense source in the Persian Gulf area told the Times. "They have already done tests to make sure their own jets aren’t scrambled and no one gets shot down. This has all been done with the agreement of the State Department."
Permission 'common knowledge' Sources in Saudi Arabia said it is common knowledge within kingdom defense circles that an arrangement is in place if Israel decides to launch the raid, the Times said. Despite the tension between the two governments, they share a mutual loathing of the regime in Tehran and a common fear of Iran’s nuclear ambitions.
"We all know this. We will let them [the Israelis] through and see nothing," a Saudi source told the Times.
The newspaper pinpointed four main targets: The uranium enrichment facilities at Natanz and Qom, the gas storage development at Isfahan and the heavy-water reactor at Arak. Secondary targets include the Russian-built lightwater reactor at Bushehr, which could produce weapons-grade plutonium when complete, the Times said.
The targets lie as far as 1,400 miles from Israel, the paper said, noting that distance is the outer limits of the Jewish state's bombers' range even with aerial refueling. An open corridor across northern Saudi Arabia would significantly shorten the distance. An airstrike would involve multiple waves of bombers, possibly crossing Jordan, northern Saudi Arabia and Iraq. Aircraft attacking Bushehr, on the Gulf coast, could swing beneath Kuwait to strike from the southwest, the newspaper said.
Plan needs U.S. consent Passing over Iraq would require Washington's consent. The Obama administration has refused to give its approval as it pursues a diplomatic solution to curbing Iran’s nuclear ambitions, the Times said.
The Times' revelation comes in the same week the U.N. Security Council imposed a new round of sanctions on Tehran. Israel and the West accuse Iran of building nuclear weapons, a charge it denies. Iran vowed to continue enriching uranium after the vote.
Israeli officials refused to comment on details for a raid on Iran, which Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has refused to rule out, the Times said.
Aharaon Zeevi Farkash, who headed military intelligence until 2006 and has been involved in war games simulating a strike on Iran, told the Times: "I know that Saudi Arabia is even more afraid than Israel of an Iranian nuclear capacity."
Netanyahu's predecessor, Ehud Olmert, is believed to have held secret meetings with high-ranking Saudi officials over Iran, said Haaretz, an Israeli newspaper.
Israel have had nuclear weapons for 30 years, I dont know that the USA gave them, do you? or are you guessing?
It is pretty obvious and first guess would of course be US and why?? But if it turns out that Al Qaeda did support on this issue - I think nobody would be surprised anymore
Israel is stable enough to own nuclear weapons for 30 years and never use them....
It doesn`t take much fantasy to imagine what would happen to their global decreasing goodwill if they did. Unfortunately the game is not over yet There are some desperadoes in Israel.
My view is the first time somebody upsets the Islamic nations with a joke or refused planning permission for a temple or something daft like that, the world would be plunged into nuclear war![/quote]
How do you put pressure on Israel? They are a stable, modern western nation in the midst of destabilization and countries so weak, they need dictators just to stop them from flying apart at the seams. The US cannot stop supporting them as it would cost them more than a few hundred billion dollars annually to counter whatever nation filled the void in defense presence alone so, the dollars will still flow and, the vetoes will still be placed so what option is there for sanctions?
Even the fact that Israel is depending (and built) on US support shows that it is an artificial and fragile construction. A sort of alien constuction if You look at it geografically. Try and estimate how much effort and money it would take to construct a Palestinian state in i.e. Arizona!! The pressure will rise through sanctions (mercantile embargo) and simply because US can`t continue to hide from the world opinion. They are economically weakened for each the that passes as their other problems cries for action.
I believe the problem in this day and age is the deflection of public attention as well. Hamas sends terrorism in order to gain the sympathy of the world in order to vilify Israel and, sure enough, the aggressive counter action gains more attention than the terrorism. All the while, brokers in Israel use this as an excuse to take land that they 'know' will never be returned to a peaceful Palestinian.
Here`s exactly the twisting point. I agree that Hamas uses terroristic actions (and I never approve terrorism) - but Israel does the same in my opinion. And the fact that Israel gets so much support from US (as well as many other countries more or less indirectly) makes them much stronger and terrifying AND holding the key to peace!! The symphathy changes its sides now, because its becoming more and more obvious who holds that key. I think that the possibilities of seeking info on the net - and Israel having more and more trouble hiding their actions makes people all over the world open their eyes Of course Hamas AND Palestine wants to attract public attention - so would the Kurds if they had the possibility. Unfortunately people are more interested in soapoperas on TV so far.
It's totally self perpetuating as the leaders in Palestine are on a war footing and, would not be leaders if they were actually in charge of a legitimate peaceful functioning country. Just look at the fiasco of that corrupt freedom fighter Arafat to make a point of proof.
Hmmm. I think they had a dreadful lesson not so long ago. They can`t afford to lean back even one day. Especially not with Israel under even more pressure from outside.
Published 01:18 11.06.10 Latest update 01:18 11.06.10
By Zeev Sternhell
The flotilla affair would not have developed into such an unprecedented crisis were it not the last link in a long chain of failures and acts of folly. These cast a heavy shadow - one that's getting longer - on Israel's status as a responsible and level-headed power. The fact that hatred for the sake of hatred is mixed up with legitimate criticism does not allow Israel to claim innocence.
On the other hand, Benjamin Netanyahu, Ehud Barak, Moshe Ya'alon and Avigdor Lieberman belong to a different species of politician, one that cannot be relied on blindly. This is one of the key motives behind the U.S. administration's support for international supervision at Dimona; it's also the reason our allies in Washington, Paris and Brussels want to see the Mavi Marmara incident investigated by international bodies. They have concluded that it is no longer possible to let Israel function without supervision and pressure, because only pressure brings results.
As long as the foot-dragging regarding the Palestinians continues in the United Nations, as long as media outlets report on construction in the territories under a heavy cloak of lies and fraud, and as long as we hear about shameful decisions on the lists of goods allowed into Gaza, the stockpiles of goodwill that were accumulated in past years will be depleted. Public opinion is no longer prepared to tolerate not only the occupation, including the attempts to gain control of Jerusalem's Arab neighborhoods, but also Israel's self-righteousness and complete assurance that it has the right to maintain an apartheid regime in the territories.
The problem is structural and cultural - most people do not want to look in the mirror. They prefer to believe that in every case, Israel is the victim the world is abusing, so it is allowed to do anything, and any demand to investigate its acts is some form of anti-Semitism. In this way maybe it's possible to calm one's conscience, but this is not the way to build the country's future.
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Age limit women = 45???
Hi Morgan & DodgeHaven`t you noticed too?