Tell you what. Why not hijack this thread as you do the others - perhaps talk about any other subject than this one. Why change the habit of a lifetime.
Restrictions of exports from Gaza have eased. Why is your 'news' always old news. Perhaps you prefer to use page 67 of a google search rather than the recent links on a first page.
Paldi - why do you and your 'friends' post articles from pre-2005. It is a whole different ball-game post-2005 because of the Gaza disengagement that brought about the situation it was not meant to bring about. Please post current links as anything to do with Israel pre-August 2005 is not relevant.
Why the Arabs can't live in peace in Israel I don't know. They are according to Polls happier in Israel than if they were under PA or Hamas rule. They simply want to drive the Jews out by means of terror. If Israel is so bad why don't the Arabs pop over to Gaza and see what life is like under Hamas. Or maybe they can go to Jordan.
Netanyahu continued, “When Arafat threatened to declare a Palestinian state in 1999, I announced at the United Nations that if he did so, we would annex broad areas of Judea,Samaria and Gaza – and Arafat capitulated.” Might Netanyahu today follow his own advice from 2002?
“On matters vital to our existence,” he concluded, “we always took clear action, even if others didn’t agree with us. Because the bottom line is that saying 'Yes' to a Palestinian state means 'No' to a Jewish State, and vice-versa.”
Kedar wrote that though Netanyahu laid down two conditions for his acceptance of an Arab state in Judea and Samaria, neither of these two conditions appears to be materializing. They were that the PA must recognize Israel as the state of the Jewish nation, and that any future PA state must be demilitarized. “Palestinian spokesmen repeat day and night that they would not dream of recognizing the State of Israel as the Jewish national home,” Kedar wrote, and added that the recent capture of large shipments of weapons bound for Gaza show that the Arabs strongly intend to arm the PA entity “to the teeth with the longest-range, most modern weaponry.”
Ten days ago, Likud MK Yariv Levin reported to his constituents his recent efforts against the formation of a Palestinian state. Having gone on record as being “diametrically opposed to recognizing a Palestinian state," he said he had "raised this issue in the last two Likud faction meetings, and in a personal conversation earlier this year with Deputy Prime Minister Moshe Yaalon.”
A week earlier, Yaalon himself, who also serves as Strategic Affairs Minister, told an interviewer that he hopes it is “incorrect” that Netanyahu said he intends to offer the PA a state with temporary borders.
Last month, Deputy Prime Minister and former Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom went so far as to hint that he might leave the government were it to agree to the formation of a PA state. Shalom told the weekly B’Sheva newspaper that although Netanyahu is talking about such a state, "in our system of government, determinations are made by governmental decision, and there is no such government decision. I have never spoken about a Palestinian state and for as long as it is possible to influence the decision making process in the government, and for as long as no decision has been made that contradicts my position, I am in the government."
Netanyahu Against PA State
Netanyahu himself made perhaps the clearest case against a Palestinian state, when he addressed the Likud Central Committee in May 2002. Such an entity, he said, “will demand all the powers of a state, such as controlling borders, bringing in weapons, control of airspace and the ability to knock down any Israeli plane that enters its area, the ability to sign peace treaties and military alliances with other countries. Once you give them a state, you give them all these things, even if there is an agreement to the contrary - for within a short time they will demand all these things, and they will assume these powers, and the world will stand by and do nothing - but it *will* stop us from trying to stop them.”
"We will thus have created with our own hands a threat to our very existence,” Netanyahu continued. “What will happen if the Palestinians do what the Germans did after World War I, when they nullified the demilitarized zone? The world did nothing then, and the world will do nothing now as well. Even now, the Palestinians are removing all the restrictions to which they agreed in Oslo – they are smuggling in arms, polluting the water sources, building an army, making military deals with Iran and others, and more… But when we try to take action against this, the world opposes us – and not them...”
Netanyahu quoted Yasser Arafat: "Arafat said it best when talking to reporters the day he signed the Oslo Accords: 'Since we can't defeat Israel in war, we must do it in stages, we must take whatever area of Palestine we can get, establish sovereignty there, and then at the right time, we will have to convince the Arab nations to join us in dealing the final blow to Israel.' Self-rule, yes. But a state with which to destroy the State of Israel - no...”
If anyone here is under the impression that the recent increase of terrorist activity is about land that the Arabs want from Israel, you are being fooled by the Arab and leftist propaganda. It is about killing every last Jew in Israel and eventually worldwide too. Less land mass for Israel means an easier anialation to every Jew there. Iran and Lebanon's leaders have stated so in speeches readily available on the internet. I am firmly against a two-state solution.
Published: 03/25/11, 3:23 PM / Last Update: 03/25/11, 3:12 PM
Politicians Warn Against PA State
The upcoming UN General Assembly session in September, where many countries are poised to recognize a Palestinian state, does not bode well for Israel.
Even Defense Minister Ehud Barak, who, as Prime Minister in 1998, once offered Yasser Arafat close to 98% of Judea, Samaria and Gaza for such a state, is concerned. In a speech last week, Barak said he considers this scenario a “political tsunami” against Israel. He even said that this political development will carry a strong element of de-legitimizing the State of Israel.
As opposed to an increasing number of politicians, however, his solution, was not to try to head off its formation – but only to remove its “unilateral” nature. He accused his boss, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu, of not being more forthcoming in negotiations with the PA, and said Israel must express immediate willingness to discuss issues such as final borders, Jerusalem, and the settlement of Arab refugees.
Politicians Against PLO State Many other politicians, however, are not willing to entertain the possibility of a Palestinian state at all, unilaterally or otherwise. MK Anastasia Michaeli, for instance, of the Israel Our Home party, said this week that she and her party “are doing all we can to prevent… the formation of a hostile and belligerent state in Judea and Samaria."
Also last week, coalition whip and Likud faction chairman MK Zev Elkin, visiting post-massacre Itamar, stated strongly that "there is no place for a Palestinian state, not in temporary borders and not in any other configuration."
The grassroots “Mattot Arim” organization, based in Raanana, recently urged its members to "work strongly against Israel's upcoming big military mistake, namely turning Area A into a Palestinian state."
Can Israel Override PLO Army? The organization explained, "Even today, there is a Palestinian army in Area A. However, when this Palestinian army gets completely out of hand - for example, in 2002 when its members participated in horrendous terror attacks - the IDF simply retracts the PA army's freedom of operation, partially or completely, for a few hours or for many months. [On the other hand,] once there is a Palestinian state, the IDF will no longer be able to cast it or its army aside, temporarily or permanently, even after that state or army becomes heavily involved in terrorism."
Similarly, Arab-world expert Dr. Mordechai Kedar of Bar Ilan University wrote this week that Israel has only a little time left before the General Assembly session to convince the world how dangerous a Palestinian state would be, "not only to Israel but also to its neighbors."
Right - speaking simply and plainly I really don't get where you are coming from. You obviously from this post think that Jerusalem is for the Jews, and yet in another post you wrote: I would wipe The Zionist enterprize into the dustbin of history.
That could require the coming of the new messiah, so may be outside my abilities as king of the world.
Alternatively I'd disolve the state of Israel in exchange for giving the Jews a right to live in peace anywhere in any country they want to, and forever.
During the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, the western part of Jerusalem was captured by Israel, while East Jerusalem (including the Old City) was captured by Jordan. The 1948 Arab-Israeli War came to an end with the signing of the 1949 Armistice Agreements.
Upon its capture, the Jordanians immediately expelled all the Jewish residents of the Jewish Quarter. All the main synagogues were destroyed, and the Jewish Quarter was bulldozed. The ancient Jewish cemetery on Mount of Olives was desecrated, and the tombstones there were used for construction and paving roads. Jordan also destroyed the Jewish villages of Atarot and Neve Yaakov just north of Jerusalem (their sites became Jerusalem neighborhoods after 1967).
East Jerusalem absorbed some of the refugees from West Jerusalem's Arab neighborhoods that came under Israeli rule. Thousands of Arabs were settled in the previously Jewish areas of Jerusalem.
In 1950 East Jerusalem, along with the rest of the West Bank, was annexed by Jordan. However, the annexation of the West Bank was recognized only by the United Kingdom, although the Israeli and Jordanian annexations of the two parts of Jerusalem were given only de facto recognition.
During the period of Jordanian rule, East Jerusalem lost much of its importance, as it was no longer a capital, and losing its link to the coast diminished its role as a commercial hub. It even saw a population decrease, with merchants and administrators moving to Amman. On the other hand, it maintained its religious importance, as well as its role as a regional center. Reaffirming a 1953 statement, Jordan in 1960 declared Jerusalem its second capital. The USA (and other powers) protested this plan, and stated it could not "recognize or associate itself in any way with actions which confer upon Jerusalem the attributes of a seat of government . . ."
During the 1960s Jerusalem saw economic improvement and its tourism industry developed significantly, and its holy sites attracted growing numbers of pilgrims, but Israelis of all religions were not allowed into East Jerusalem. Jews were not allowed access to the Mount of Olives, Western Wall and other holy sites, in contravention of the 1949 Armistice Agreements.
The Kendall Town Scheme was commissioned by the Jordanian government in 1966 to link East Jerusalem with the surrounding towns and villages, integrating them into a metropolitan area. This plan was not implemented, as East Jerusalem came under Israeli rule the following year.
With my personal circumstances I of course am very interested in what happens with Israel. However with those not involved in any way some of them sit in comfort thousands of miles away and make glib remarks, uninformed remarks, etc. It is a bit like out of sight, out of mind. Information from credible sources is the best way to inform oneself.
An amazingly moving video Conrad. Thank you. Unfortunately its message is missed or wasted on the ignorant and the haters. The ignorant can be informed if they open their minds. The haters are beyond hope of change.
Published: 03/25/11, 2:21 AM / Last Update: 03/25/11, 2:14 AM
Eleven People Still in Hospital After Jerusalem Terror Attack
Wednesday’s terror attack in Jerusalem left as many as 50 people wounded from physical injuries as well as from trauma.
At present, eleven of them are still in the hospital and two are in still listed in serious condition. On Thursday, the One Family Fund issued a call to pray for their quick and complete recovery:
• Odelia Nechama bat Michal suffered serious head injuries and is in intensive care. Her life is still in danger.
• Natan Daniel ben Shulamit, a 17-year-old student, suffered massive internal injuries and has had a number of internal organs removed.
• Leah Bracha bat Shoshana, a 19-year-old seminary student, suffered burns to her legs and arms as well as serious shock.
• David Amoyal, the owner of the snack stand next to the bus stop who told the people who were in the area to run away and then called the police, and was on the phone with them when the bomb exploded. Amoyal suffered injuries to his legs, feet and lower body and is listed in moderate condition.
• Sasson ben Shulamit suffered lower body injuries and serious post-traumatic symptoms.
• Ad Shapira, an 18-year-old who is about to complete high school, suffered light orthopedic injuries and is in good condition in hospital.
• Shilo ben Ofra, 15 years old, suffered burns and fractures to his legs and lower abdomen. He is sedated in intensive care.
• Daniel ben Nurit, 13 years old, suffered lacerations and shrapnel injuries to his lower extremities, and is likely to be released from the hospital before Shabbat.
• Elchanan ben Alona, 14 years old, suffered serious injuries to his feet. One ankle and three of his toes were crushed. He has had one operation and will require more surgery. He will likely be in the hospital at least 2-3 weeks.
• Netanel ben Shlomit, an 18-year-old who works as a security guard at the bus station, was injured in the abdomen had surgery. He is now recuperating in the hospital.
The four-pound bomb exploded across from Jerusalem's Central Bus Station on Wednesday afternoon and killed one person. The explosive charge was placed at a public telephone booth and was detonated as two packed buses passed by.
The terrorist or terrorists who planted the bomb fled the scene, but Palestinian Authority security forces have arrested two members of the Islamic Jihad terrorist organization in connection with the blast.
The two, Khaled Jaradat and Tarek Ka'adan, were picked up in Jenin on Wednesday night, and the Islamic Jihad claimed the PA forces had been working in coordination with Israeli security personnel.
Published: 03/24/11, 12:27 PM / Last Update: 03/24/11, 12:43 PM
2 Arrested in Jenin for Deadly Jerusalem Bus-Stop Bomb
Israeli security forces may be closing in on the terrorists who bombed a crowded bus stop area Wednesday afternoon in Jerusalem.
Sources in the Islamic Jihad terrorist organization claimed that two of its members were arrested Wednesday night in connection with the blast.
Khaled Jaradat and Tarek Ka'adan were picked up in Jenin by Palestinian Authority security forces said to have been working in coordination with Israeli security personnel.
There was no comment from IDF officials.
Other Attacks Islamic Jihad's military wing, the al-Quds Brigades, claimed responsibility for two Grad Katyusha missile attacks on Be'er Sheva that struck the southern city Wednesday morning.
Islamic Jihad also claimed responsibility for a third Grad missile that struck the southern end of Ashdod on Tuesday night. It was the first such long-range missile to strike the port city since Israel's Cast Lead mini-war with Gaza's terrorist rulers two years ago.
One 56-year-old woman, a British tourist, died of wounds sustained in the Jerusalem bombing, and some 50 others were injured.
The blast tore holes through the windows in the front half of a massive Egged city bus that was just pulling away from a stop next to a telephone stand. The bomb was planted in a briefcase that was left beside the phone stand.
Eyewitnesses said they saw a young man place the briefcase beside the phones and then leave the area. At least one of the witnesses made a phone call to alert security personnel who immediately blocked others from approaching the scene, thereby saving numerous lives.
Published: 03/24/11, 12:27 PM / Last Update: 03/24/11, 12:43 PM
2 Arrested in Jenin for Deadly Jerusalem Bus-Stop Bomb
Israeli security forces may be closing in on the terrorists who bombed a crowded bus stop area Wednesday afternoon in Jerusalem.
Sources in the Islamic Jihad terrorist organization claimed that two of its members were arrested Wednesday night in connection with the blast.
Khaled Jaradat and Tarek Ka'adan were picked up in Jenin by Palestinian Authority security forces said to have been working in coordination with Israeli security personnel.
There was no comment from IDF officials.
Other Attacks Islamic Jihad's military wing, the al-Quds Brigades, claimed responsibility for two Grad Katyusha missile attacks on Be'er Sheva that struck the southern city Wednesday morning.
Islamic Jihad also claimed responsibility for a third Grad missile that struck the southern end of Ashdod on Tuesday night. It was the first such long-range missile to strike the port city since Israel's Cast Lead mini-war with Gaza's terrorist rulers two years ago.
One 56-year-old woman, a British tourist, died of wounds sustained in the Jerusalem bombing, and some 50 others were injured.
The blast tore holes through the windows in the front half of a massive Egged city bus that was just pulling away from a stop next to a telephone stand. The bomb was planted in a briefcase that was left beside the phone stand.
Eyewitnesses said they saw a young man place the briefcase beside the phones and then leave the area. At least one of the witnesses made a phone call to alert security personnel who immediately blocked others from approaching the scene, thereby saving numerous lives. (IsraelNationalNews.com)
And still the aid from Israel over to Gaza keeps flowing
Published: 03/24/11, 5:20 PM / Last Update: 03/24/11, 5:22 PM
Feeding the Mouth that Bites: IDF Lets Gaza Imports Continue
The Isral Defence Force's (IDF) Spokesman's Unit proudly announced Thursday that Israel is continuing to allow supplies into Gaza. "In the shadow of the recent increase in rocket and mortar fire from the Gaza Strip into southern Israel, the IDF is continuing to move forward with its broad policy of aiding the civilian population of the Gaza Strip," it said. "The policy is carried out in coordination with the Palestinian Authority, with the help of the international community."
Over the past week, an average of 300 aid trucks entered Gaza per day (as far as Thursday is concerned, that makes about 30 trucks per missile fired at Israel - ed.). The trucks carried a variety of materials, including wheat, gravel and animal feed, among other items.
The goods were transferred into Gaza via the Kerem Shalom crossing, operated by the Ministry of Defense Crossing Authority, instead of the Karni crossing, which was recently closed due to security threats.
In the second half of 2011, it is expected that 450 trucks will enter Gaza daily to meet the import and export needs of the civilian population.
The IDF continues to aid the civilian population of Gaza in construction. Around 19,000 tons of aggregates (gravel used in the construction process to reinforce concrete) have been transferred to Gaza thus far.
Gravel is generally prohibited from being imported into the Gaza Strip due to concerns it will be used by terrorist organizations for the construction of bunkers, for example. However, coordinated deliveries of gravel are permitted for civilian projects only. The projects are funded and monitored by international organizations that operate in Gaza, and are intended for improvements in the areas of education, welfare and housing. Among other things, aggregates are to be used in the construction of hospital wings, residential buildings and schools.
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RE: Solutions to the conflict in the Middle East (Israel/Palistine)
Tell you what. Why not hijack this thread as you do the others - perhaps talk about any other subject than this one. Why change the habit of a lifetime.