The Independence of Modern Women (23)
Some men will say that they want a woman who is independent -- (referring to their money or assistance) --- but then again they get fussy cause they don't like a woman who can and does think and do for herself. They want us to make them feel "needed" -- but only under their condidtions. JMO...as I said -- it's "some" not all.
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smoky: Hi, I`m from the EU Forum - where I posted this Thread, and one of our members suggested I post this same thread over here to hear you peoples opinions on this subject?
Here it is...
I had a conversation with a guy over this subject ....and am interested in all your various views on this subject?
First off:
He was complaining about meeting women who all seemed to want to be "looked after", that they were not independent and financially secure in their own right.
Then ............... he veered off into complaining about women wanting to be independent and not wanting to stay at home anymore - looking after the children, running the home, etc etc.
He also stated that if Mothers were restricted from working in the business world - that they HAD to stay home - this would release more jobs for men. Children would be better cared for by having their mothers at home. And generally the world would be a better place.
My argument was this:
WHY are there so many women looking for a man to care for them? Is the reason they are not financially secure because they grew up assuming a man would one day take care of them?.. So they stayed home and cared for the children/home ... and then got offloaded when they got older, and now they have no personal insurances or retirement policies?
So ... of course... these women now need taking care of?
To complain about the independence of the modern woman, the loss of jobs, the children in Day Care Centres, etc etc ...... not something that Man has brought about himself?
When did men stop caring for their women? Why do men not care for their women anymore?
What is it about women that men would realy like? Do they even kinow themselves what it is they want out of relationships?
And in the meantime, women will have to continue with being independent and not depending on men anymore.
Independent is Good,she is easy to find,easy to marriage and she can be a Good partnerHere it is...
I had a conversation with a guy over this subject ....and am interested in all your various views on this subject?
First off:
He was complaining about meeting women who all seemed to want to be "looked after", that they were not independent and financially secure in their own right.
Then ............... he veered off into complaining about women wanting to be independent and not wanting to stay at home anymore - looking after the children, running the home, etc etc.
He also stated that if Mothers were restricted from working in the business world - that they HAD to stay home - this would release more jobs for men. Children would be better cared for by having their mothers at home. And generally the world would be a better place.
My argument was this:
WHY are there so many women looking for a man to care for them? Is the reason they are not financially secure because they grew up assuming a man would one day take care of them?.. So they stayed home and cared for the children/home ... and then got offloaded when they got older, and now they have no personal insurances or retirement policies?
So ... of course... these women now need taking care of?
To complain about the independence of the modern woman, the loss of jobs, the children in Day Care Centres, etc etc ...... not something that Man has brought about himself?
When did men stop caring for their women? Why do men not care for their women anymore?
What is it about women that men would realy like? Do they even kinow themselves what it is they want out of relationships?
And in the meantime, women will have to continue with being independent and not depending on men anymore.
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Some men are just never satisfied. Sounds to me like this guy just has issues with women in general. 
He wants us to "bring home the bacon & fry it up in a pan", wait... no he doesn't... yes he does...
He wants us to "bring home the bacon & fry it up in a pan", wait... no he doesn't... yes he does...
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sweetowen: Some men are just never satisfied. Sounds to me like this guy just has issues with women in general.
He wants us to "bring home the bacon & fry it up in a pan", wait... no he doesn't... yes he does...
He wants us to "bring home the bacon & fry it up in a pan", wait... no he doesn't... yes he does...
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sweetowen: Some men are just never satisfied. Sounds to me like this guy just has issues with women in general.
He wants us to "bring home the bacon & fry it up in a pan", wait... no he doesn't... yes he does...
He wants us to "bring home the bacon & fry it up in a pan", wait... no he doesn't... yes he does...
Confusious say....
beats me......
But on a more serious note they dont know what the hell they want.....oh wait a second oh yes they do....they want their cake and to eat it too.....
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I just meant that this guy apparently doesn't know what the heck he wants!
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In response to:
When did men stop caring for their women? Why do men not care for their women anymore?
And in the meantime, women will have to continue with being independent and not depending on men anymore.
When did men stop caring for their women? Why do men not care for their women anymore?
And in the meantime, women will have to continue with being independent and not depending on men anymore.
I wouldn't blame the men necessarily.
Although, often enough, they do have a lot of the blame
For very sinister controlling reasons, civilization has been modified to break up the traditional nuclear family. Financial and social pressure works to break up couples and isolate individuals.
Individuals are easier to manipulate and control than couples.
They are more fearful and less secure, so they don't demand as much. And they can be abused in all sorts of ways.
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We will have to wait until later for this thread to bloom in its full capacity me thinks.
Until then, I will rest shoulder to shoulder with my own independent lady.
Until then, I will rest shoulder to shoulder with my own independent lady.
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sweetowen: Some men are just never satisfied. Sounds to me like this guy just has issues with women in general.
He wants us to "bring home the bacon & fry it up in a pan", wait... no he doesn't... yes he does...
He wants us to "bring home the bacon & fry it up in a pan", wait... no he doesn't... yes he does...
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How can you be financially secure and be a stay at home mom and look after the house at the same time...we aren't miracle workers...we're mere women..Unless he wants a rich woman who will be willing to stay home and do all these things...Hellllllloooooo financial independence means having to work outside of the home 9% of the time.... 
Nobody can have the best of both of those worlds...Sorry not gonna happen....
Nobody can have the best of both of those worlds...Sorry not gonna happen....
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Hugz_n_Kissez: How can you be financially secure and be a stay at home mom and look after the house at the same time...we aren't miracle workers...we're mere women..Unless he wants a rich woman who will be willing to stay home and do all these things...Hellllllloooooo financial independence means having to work outside of the home 9% of the time.... Nobody can have the best of both of those worlds...Sorry not gonna happen....
*99% of the time...
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Hmmmmm
Interesting thread....have to agree....This Man doens't know what he wants....I also, would like to reply on you comment
'And in the meantime, women will have to continue with being independent and not depending on men anymore.'
Fair call your statement above.....but also there a lot of Men,who are now not dependent on Woman either....like Fathers raising Children on there own....being there down that....but here I feel there is becoming 'Double Standards' by you, Western European Ladies on Men being very independent in that area.....A lot of you Western European Ladies really get upset about that.
I have personally experience 'Tongue Lashings from Hell' from you Western European Ladies that I am very capable of beginning up my Children on my own, without the need or help of a Woman.
I have also taught my Son to very 'Independent',and not relied on a Woman to do the following ,to cook,to Sew,To build,to clean etc.
One his Girlfriends dump him because he was to Good...and she admitted to me,and I do have a lot respect for her being upfront and honest she was very,very jealous of my Son being to good at the above mentioned....she felt threaten and insure by his Independence and that he didn't need a Woman to feel complete.....Oh and this has happen on three occasions....As my 20 year Son said me 'Dad,you just can't win....'
But the good news is, he in a very happy and awesome relationship with a wonderful Asia Lady....Who said to me....it great he cooks and hes a lot better then me......I ask her,do you feel threaten by this ,being very independent in that he does not need a Woman to look after him....she said 'No'...and she truly loves him for that......but I laugh so loud on this on this one...when she said to me and look in straight in my Eyes. "but Western Woman won't like that...anyway,who cares, they are all Crazy anyway"......
J.D
Interesting thread....have to agree....This Man doens't know what he wants....I also, would like to reply on you comment
'And in the meantime, women will have to continue with being independent and not depending on men anymore.'
Fair call your statement above.....but also there a lot of Men,who are now not dependent on Woman either....like Fathers raising Children on there own....being there down that....but here I feel there is becoming 'Double Standards' by you, Western European Ladies on Men being very independent in that area.....A lot of you Western European Ladies really get upset about that.
I have personally experience 'Tongue Lashings from Hell' from you Western European Ladies that I am very capable of beginning up my Children on my own, without the need or help of a Woman.
I have also taught my Son to very 'Independent',and not relied on a Woman to do the following ,to cook,to Sew,To build,to clean etc.
One his Girlfriends dump him because he was to Good...and she admitted to me,and I do have a lot respect for her being upfront and honest she was very,very jealous of my Son being to good at the above mentioned....she felt threaten and insure by his Independence and that he didn't need a Woman to feel complete.....Oh and this has happen on three occasions....As my 20 year Son said me 'Dad,you just can't win....'
But the good news is, he in a very happy and awesome relationship with a wonderful Asia Lady....Who said to me....it great he cooks and hes a lot better then me......I ask her,do you feel threaten by this ,being very independent in that he does not need a Woman to look after him....she said 'No'...and she truly loves him for that......but I laugh so loud on this on this one...when she said to me and look in straight in my Eyes. "but Western Woman won't like that...anyway,who cares, they are all Crazy anyway"......
J.D
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virgiomonkey: Hmmmmm
Interesting thread....have to agree....This Man doens't know what he wants....I also, would like to reply on you comment
'And in the meantime, women will have to continue with being independent and not depending on men anymore.'
Fair call your statement above.....but also there a lot of Men,who are now not dependent on Woman either....like Fathers raising Children on there own....being there down that....but here I feel there is becoming 'Double Standards' by you, Western European Ladies on Men being very independent in that area.....A lot of you Western European Ladies really get upset about that.
I have personally experience 'Tongue Lashings from Hell' from you Western European Ladies that I am very capable of beginning up my Children on my own, without the need or help of a Woman.
I have also taught my Son to very 'Independent',and not relied on a Woman to do the following ,to cook,to Sew,To build,to clean etc.
One his Girlfriends dump him because he was to Good...and she admitted to me,and I do have a lot respect for her being upfront and honest she was very,very jealous of my Son being to good at the above mentioned....she felt threaten and insure by his Independence and that he didn't need a Woman to feel complete.....Oh and this has happen on three occasions....As my 20 year Son said me 'Dad,you just can't win....'
But the good news is, he in a very happy and awesome relationship with a wonderful Asia Lady....Who said to me....it great he cooks and hes a lot better then me......I ask her,do you feel threaten by this ,being very independent in that he does not need a Woman to look after him....she said 'No'...and she truly loves him for that......but I laugh so loud on this on this one...when she said to me and look in straight in my Eyes. "but Western Woman won't like that...anyway,who cares, they are all Crazy anyway"...... J.D
Interesting thread....have to agree....This Man doens't know what he wants....I also, would like to reply on you comment
'And in the meantime, women will have to continue with being independent and not depending on men anymore.'
Fair call your statement above.....but also there a lot of Men,who are now not dependent on Woman either....like Fathers raising Children on there own....being there down that....but here I feel there is becoming 'Double Standards' by you, Western European Ladies on Men being very independent in that area.....A lot of you Western European Ladies really get upset about that.
I have personally experience 'Tongue Lashings from Hell' from you Western European Ladies that I am very capable of beginning up my Children on my own, without the need or help of a Woman.
I have also taught my Son to very 'Independent',and not relied on a Woman to do the following ,to cook,to Sew,To build,to clean etc.
One his Girlfriends dump him because he was to Good...and she admitted to me,and I do have a lot respect for her being upfront and honest she was very,very jealous of my Son being to good at the above mentioned....she felt threaten and insure by his Independence and that he didn't need a Woman to feel complete.....Oh and this has happen on three occasions....As my 20 year Son said me 'Dad,you just can't win....'
But the good news is, he in a very happy and awesome relationship with a wonderful Asia Lady....Who said to me....it great he cooks and hes a lot better then me......I ask her,do you feel threaten by this ,being very independent in that he does not need a Woman to look after him....she said 'No'...and she truly loves him for that......but I laugh so loud on this on this one...when she said to me and look in straight in my Eyes. "but Western Woman won't like that...anyway,who cares, they are all Crazy anyway"...... J.D
Thank you for replying so well to my thread. Yes, I also agree with your sons Asian lady. I wonder if that is the reason so many Swiss men go and get themselves a cute Asian wife? As soon as they adapt and learn the language they are not shy to go out and get themselves employed, and run the home, and do all the usual house-wifey things, and still treat their man with womanly respect - and in return he spoils her....------ This thread is Archived ------
abbiye: i would go for both,there should be a balance between the 2.
hi smoky,good to see you on the international forum
Thank you, Abbiye, for your welcome. hi smoky,good to see you on the international forum
Yes, the Ideal certainly is a balance between the two.
I used extremes, just for an example - because of the lament I mentioned that I hear from men, and so just wanted some varied opinions here, out of interest.
I am off back to my softly comforting EU Forum, and will come over now and again to check you peoples contributions here.
Thanks a lot for everything that you all have to say.
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Hugz_n_Kissez: *99% of the time...
And here I thought you actually had made statistics
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druidess6308: Wow...talk about extremes! I don't think that a woman who is financially independent has to be all that unavailable...you can combine the best of #1 and #2 into one woman, and then I think that woman is who most would choose. And most of the men these days are willing to do some of the cooking and housework too, so that it's not all on her if both are working.
I can tell you I'd rather be the type I just described than either of the two you did.
$I can tell you I'd rather be the type I just described than either of the two you did.
I am honoured, Druidess, to have you commenting on my thread - Thank you! I always read your postings, I like the way you write, and your deep insight into life generally.
Yes, of course, a Combination of the two would be every mans dream, I should think?
But I use the two extreme examples, simply because it is the most common occurence, from what I can gather, from the frustrated howls I hear amongst men.
The person I spoke to, mentioned in my OP, just drew it all to my attention, in a very confused and garbled fashion, as you no doubt gathered? ...... hence the Thread.......
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smoky: Thank you for replying so well to my thread. Yes, I also agree with your sons Asian lady. I wonder if that is the reason so many Swiss men go and get themselves a cute Asian wife? As soon as they adapt and learn the language they are not shy to go out and get themselves employed, and run the home, and do all the usual house-wifey things, and still treat their man with womanly respect - and in return he spoils her....
Thank you for reply...And I have done a lot thinking and debating with my friends who have married Asia Ladies....One Asia Wife of one my best friends said this to me one day on 'The Woman's Liberation' movement,my Jaw dropped on this one....Western European 'Demand' Respect from there Men.....but they give no 'Respect' back,they only give back 'Contempt'.....Food for thought........Nice talking to you
J.D
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Read Ayn Rand's "The Fountainhead",and honestly ask yourself which one of the Women you'd prefer,Dominique or Catherine.
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mike69spain: And here I thought you actually had made statistics
Naaaaaaaaa..I'm not a stats woman...those things really mean nothing to me...Just a bunch of boggled up numbers...BUT then again I am not exactly a numbers person either....
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Here it is...
I had a conversation with a guy over this subject ....and am interested in all your various views on this subject?
First off:
He was complaining about meeting women who all seemed to want to be "looked after", that they were not independent and financially secure in their own right.
Then ............... he veered off into complaining about women wanting to be independent and not wanting to stay at home anymore - looking after the children, running the home, etc etc.
He also stated that if Mothers were restricted from working in the business world - that they HAD to stay home - this would release more jobs for men. Children would be better cared for by having their mothers at home. And generally the world would be a better place.
My argument was this:
WHY are there so many women looking for a man to care for them? Is the reason they are not financially secure because they grew up assuming a man would one day take care of them?.. So they stayed home and cared for the children/home ... and then got offloaded when they got older, and now they have no personal insurances or retirement policies?
So ... of course... these women now need taking care of?
To complain about the independence of the modern woman, the loss of jobs, the children in Day Care Centres, etc etc ...... not something that Man has brought about himself?
When did men stop caring for their women? Why do men not care for their women anymore?
What is it about women that men would realy like? Do they even kinow themselves what it is they want out of relationships?
And in the meantime, women will have to continue with being independent and not depending on men anymore.