Can a rational person beilieve in the Bible? or any religion? ( Archived) (154)

Mar 24, 2009 5:59 PM CST Can a rational person beilieve in the Bible? or any religion?
krimsa
krimsakrimsaMiddleton, New Hampshire USA6 Threads 2 Polls 1,345 Posts
"I" disagreed. Excuse me.
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Mar 25, 2009 12:15 AM CST Can a rational person beilieve in the Bible? or any religion?
galaxy15
galaxy15galaxy15melbourne, Victoria Australia3 Threads 480 Posts
dunno confused uh oh

What?! - no comment? What's happened. Did you fall off the horse Conrad? I expect more from you. Pick up your game.
cheers
Galaxy
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Mar 25, 2009 12:28 AM CST Can a rational person beilieve in the Bible? or any religion?
galaxy15
galaxy15galaxy15melbourne, Victoria Australia3 Threads 480 Posts
"Yes,if it passes those hurdles!Reason is man’s tool of knowledge, the faculty that enables him to perceive the facts of reality."

Which facts of which reality Conrad?

Maybe you could find an answer in Wiki or something. Post me a link.
cheers
galaxy
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Mar 25, 2009 1:37 AM CST Can a rational person beilieve in the Bible? or any religion?
integrity333
integrity333integrity333Eagle, Idaho USA25 Posts
crotalus_p: What does the bible say life came from ???No one said it did ,


God is not a non-living matter.
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Mar 25, 2009 1:52 AM CST Can a rational person beilieve in the Bible? or any religion?
Witchaywoman
WitchaywomanWitchaywomanCarpentersville, Illinois USA97 Threads 13 Polls 4,344 Posts
I think a lot of religious beliefs are twisted rationality. Rational people make themselves believe in religion because they feel they need to. I think find this human practice illogical. transport
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Mar 25, 2009 2:12 AM CST Can a rational person beilieve in the Bible? or any religion?
rusty_knight
rusty_knightrusty_knightGozo, Malta175 Threads 2 Polls 6,840 Posts
Witchaywoman: I think a lot of religious beliefs are twisted rationality. Rational people make themselves believe in religion because they feel they need to. I think find this human practice illogical.


The human brain is capable of rationalising all sorts of things. I believe that what people believe is true for them and that the desire to be right is far greater than the desire to acknowledge even the possibility of being wrong. I'm not joking; I really do believe that if somebody really believes something it becomes the truth within themselves.

The example of Obama was a good one. He had faith in himself, he must have BELIEVED that he had a chance to become President of the USA even if rationally the probability of him succeeding say 20 years ago was probably fairly minute.

People can do great things if they have faith in themselves or another person or an idea or even a religion - that faith helps them do things that a rational, logical mind would say:

'Don't bother. It isn't worth the effort, plus the chance of what you believe in being true is so small it's not worth bothering about!'

Faith is VERY powerful - it can move mountains and also blow people off the face of the planet to who knows where!
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Mar 25, 2009 3:40 AM CST Can a rational person beilieve in the Bible? or any religion?
galaxy15
galaxy15galaxy15melbourne, Victoria Australia3 Threads 480 Posts
krimsa: She has lost all credibility with this Im afraid. That is mortifying.


This is real rude Krimsa. I am assuming this comes out of frustration or something. When did you acquire the power of perfect credibility above all others?

It seems the Mensa Grads have resorted to irrational responses, all round.
Highly presumptuous and pretentious, me thinks.

I've changed my opinion on the answer to this thread. I don't believe a 'rational' person can believe in the bible or any idea that might shatter the ivory tower of 'rationalism'. The West worked so hard to layer burden of proof upon burden of proof, to completely lose the ability to sense, in any way, shape or form, anything that falls outside its formulas of argument. Proof, therefore, verily, does not exist! The words have gotten in the way of just plain observing what happens around you. This is what Real science is.

The question, initially, is poorly posed. It assumes that 'Rationality' rules. This is a real bad assumption to make - especially if you want to answer the kernel of this question properly!
Pull the assumption out, and the gamut of what can be experienced and/or believed is opened up, completely. This is how things are. Of course, rational people can believe in religion and the bible - they can also irrationally not believe in them. It is irrational to believe you are in possession of all that can be known.

Up until the time that a person 'experiences' certain paradigms - they have no right to demand proof of the unprovable. What follows this is an expansion of possibility - without the need to prove anything to anyone!
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Mar 25, 2009 4:23 AM CST Can a rational person beilieve in the Bible? or any religion?
galaxy15: This is real rude Krimsa. I am assuming this comes out of frustration or something. When did you acquire the power of perfect credibility above all others?

It seems the Mensa Grads have resorted to irrational responses, all round.
Highly presumptuous and pretentious, me thinks.

I've changed my opinion on the answer to this thread. I don't believe a 'rational' person can believe in the bible or any idea that might shatter the ivory tower of 'rationalism'. The West worked so hard to layer burden of proof upon burden of proof, to completely lose the ability to sense, in any way, shape or form, anything that falls outside its formulas of argument. Proof, therefore, verily, does not exist! The words have gotten in the way of just plain observing what happens around you. This is what Real science is.

The question, initially, is poorly posed. It assumes that 'Rationality' rules. This is a real bad assumption to make - especially if you want to answer the kernel of this question properly!
Pull the assumption out, and the gamut of what can be experienced and/or believed is opened up, completely. This is how things are. Of course, rational people can believe in religion and the bible - they can also irrationally not believe in them. It is irrational to believe you are in possession of all that can be known.

Up until the time that a person 'experiences' certain paradigms - they have no right to demand proof of the unprovable. What follows this is an expansion of possibility - without the need to prove anything to anyone!
Your Posts really remind me of a SUBWAY (TM)-Sandwich!
Same substance.rolling on the floor laughing wave
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Mar 25, 2009 4:52 AM CST Can a rational person beilieve in the Bible? or any religion?
galaxy15: "Yes,if it passes those hurdles!Reason is man’s tool of knowledge, the faculty that enables him to perceive the facts of reality."

Which facts of which reality Conrad?

Maybe you could find an answer in Wiki or something. Post me a link.
cheers
galaxy
Definitely not yours!
grin





ENJOY,Wordsmith!rolling on the floor laughing
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Mar 25, 2009 4:53 AM CST Can a rational person beilieve in the Bible? or any religion?
Witchaywoman: I think a lot of religious beliefs are twisted rationality. Rational people make themselves believe in religion because they feel they need to. I think find this human practice illogical.
Rational People are UNABLE to do that!
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Mar 25, 2009 4:54 AM CST Can a rational person beilieve in the Bible? or any religion?
crotalus_p
crotalus_pcrotalus_pRush, Dublin Ireland43 Threads 6 Polls 2,789 Posts
integrity333: God is not a non-living matter.
What does the bible say life came from ???
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Mar 25, 2009 5:15 AM CST Can a rational person beilieve in the Bible? or any religion?
crotalus_p
crotalus_pcrotalus_pRush, Dublin Ireland43 Threads 6 Polls 2,789 Posts
crotalus_p: What does the bible say life came from ???
Genesis 2:7 (New International Version)
7 the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.


Footnotes:
Genesis 2:7 The Hebrew for man (adam) sounds like and may be related to the Hebrew for ground ( adamah it is also the name Adam (see Gen. 2:20).
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Mar 25, 2009 6:20 AM CST Can a rational person beilieve in the Bible? or any religion?
krimsa
krimsakrimsaMiddleton, New Hampshire USA6 Threads 2 Polls 1,345 Posts
In response to: This is real rude Krimsa.


She confused Charles Darwin with Georges Lemaître, was rude to several posters, myself, Conrad and Crotalus, yet when I pointed out that they were responsible for two very distinct theories, you claim that Im the one being rude?? You jest....roll eyes
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Mar 25, 2009 6:23 AM CST Can a rational person beilieve in the Bible? or any religion?
krimsa
krimsakrimsaMiddleton, New Hampshire USA6 Threads 2 Polls 1,345 Posts
Conrad73: ????DARWIN's Big Bang Theory?
You're a bit off here,me thinks!


Just a refresher....
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Mar 25, 2009 6:33 AM CST Can a rational person beilieve in the Bible? or any religion?
krimsa
krimsakrimsaMiddleton, New Hampshire USA6 Threads 2 Polls 1,345 Posts
In response to: they can also irrationally not believe in them.


How can someone irrationally not believe in the bible? laugh confused dunno
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Mar 25, 2009 6:42 AM CST Can a rational person beilieve in the Bible? or any religion?
Konigsberg
KonigsbergKonigsbergJurassic Park (Site B), Nova Scotia Canada57 Threads 3 Polls 8,448 Posts
adamisk: you guys could argue for the rest of eternity but you know none of you are ever gonna stop and say hey your right i'll change my ways right now .


lol isn't it evident laugh wine
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Mar 25, 2009 9:50 AM CST Can a rational person beilieve in the Bible? or any religion?
integrity333
integrity333integrity333Eagle, Idaho USA25 Posts
What is amazing to me is that everyone here wants to be so right and it the process of trying to prove their points, they are so disrespectful and cruel to one another.
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Mar 25, 2009 10:02 AM CST Can a rational person beilieve in the Bible? or any religion?
krimsa
krimsakrimsaMiddleton, New Hampshire USA6 Threads 2 Polls 1,345 Posts
integrity333: What is amazing to me is that everyone here wants to be so right and it the process of trying to prove their points, they are so disrespectful and cruel to one another.


Who was ever being cruel? Were you ever personally attacked by anyone? I dont think so. We have been arguing our various points. That’s all constructive debate can be. Once people begin hiding behind "I’m being attacked" and "you guys are all so mean." then it’s over...
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Mar 25, 2009 12:23 PM CST Can a rational person beilieve in the Bible? or any religion?
rusty_knight
rusty_knightrusty_knightGozo, Malta175 Threads 2 Polls 6,840 Posts
krimsa: Who was ever being cruel? Were you ever personally attacked by anyone? I dont think so. We have been arguing our various points. That’s all constructive debate can be. Once people begin hiding behind "I’m being attacked" and "you guys are all so mean." then it’s over...


I just hope that if God really does exist that He has a sense of humour or I'm, for one, totally up the creek without a paddle! moping help professor laugh

Look, can't we just go to a nice insurance company and take out a policy to cover our backsides just in case God really does exist however improbable? conversing

I mean - these financial whizz kids know what they are talking about, and if it wasn't for them the world would be in a real mess now - right? confused
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Mar 25, 2009 1:55 PM CST Can a rational person beilieve in the Bible? or any religion?
krimsa
krimsakrimsaMiddleton, New Hampshire USA6 Threads 2 Polls 1,345 Posts
NeWildflower: What? You don't believe in insurance either? I'm shocked!


confused Oh I get it...sigh Dont quit your day job.
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