I think a lot of religious beliefs are twisted rationality. Rational people make themselves believe in religion because they feel they need to. I think find this human practice illogical.
Witchaywoman: I think a lot of religious beliefs are twisted rationality. Rational people make themselves believe in religion because they feel they need to. I think find this human practice illogical.
The human brain is capable of rationalising all sorts of things. I believe that what people believe is true for them and that the desire to be right is far greater than the desire to acknowledge even the possibility of being wrong. I'm not joking; I really do believe that if somebody really believes something it becomes the truth within themselves.
The example of Obama was a good one. He had faith in himself, he must have BELIEVED that he had a chance to become President of the USA even if rationally the probability of him succeeding say 20 years ago was probably fairly minute.
People can do great things if they have faith in themselves or another person or an idea or even a religion - that faith helps them do things that a rational, logical mind would say:
'Don't bother. It isn't worth the effort, plus the chance of what you believe in being true is so small it's not worth bothering about!'
Faith is VERY powerful - it can move mountains and also blow people off the face of the planet to who knows where!
krimsa: She has lost all credibility with this Im afraid. That is mortifying.
This is real rude Krimsa. I am assuming this comes out of frustration or something. When did you acquire the power of perfect credibility above all others?
It seems the Mensa Grads have resorted to irrational responses, all round. Highly presumptuous and pretentious, me thinks.
I've changed my opinion on the answer to this thread. I don't believe a 'rational' person can believe in the bible or any idea that might shatter the ivory tower of 'rationalism'. The West worked so hard to layer burden of proof upon burden of proof, to completely lose the ability to sense, in any way, shape or form, anything that falls outside its formulas of argument. Proof, therefore, verily, does not exist! The words have gotten in the way of just plain observing what happens around you. This is what Real science is.
The question, initially, is poorly posed. It assumes that 'Rationality' rules. This is a real bad assumption to make - especially if you want to answer the kernel of this question properly! Pull the assumption out, and the gamut of what can be experienced and/or believed is opened up, completely. This is how things are. Of course, rational people can believe in religion and the bible - they can also irrationally not believe in them. It is irrational to believe you are in possession of all that can be known.
Up until the time that a person 'experiences' certain paradigms - they have no right to demand proof of the unprovable. What follows this is an expansion of possibility - without the need to prove anything to anyone!
galaxy15: This is real rude Krimsa. I am assuming this comes out of frustration or something. When did you acquire the power of perfect credibility above all others?
It seems the Mensa Grads have resorted to irrational responses, all round. Highly presumptuous and pretentious, me thinks.
I've changed my opinion on the answer to this thread. I don't believe a 'rational' person can believe in the bible or any idea that might shatter the ivory tower of 'rationalism'. The West worked so hard to layer burden of proof upon burden of proof, to completely lose the ability to sense, in any way, shape or form, anything that falls outside its formulas of argument. Proof, therefore, verily, does not exist! The words have gotten in the way of just plain observing what happens around you. This is what Real science is.
The question, initially, is poorly posed. It assumes that 'Rationality' rules. This is a real bad assumption to make - especially if you want to answer the kernel of this question properly! Pull the assumption out, and the gamut of what can be experienced and/or believed is opened up, completely. This is how things are. Of course, rational people can believe in religion and the bible - they can also irrationally not believe in them. It is irrational to believe you are in possession of all that can be known.
Up until the time that a person 'experiences' certain paradigms - they have no right to demand proof of the unprovable. What follows this is an expansion of possibility - without the need to prove anything to anyone!
Your Posts really remind me of a SUBWAY (TM)-Sandwich! Same substance.
Witchaywoman: I think a lot of religious beliefs are twisted rationality. Rational people make themselves believe in religion because they feel they need to. I think find this human practice illogical.
crotalus_p: What does the bible say life came from ???
Genesis 2:7 (New International Version) 7 the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being.
Footnotes: Genesis 2:7 The Hebrew for man (adam) sounds like and may be related to the Hebrew for ground ( adamah it is also the name Adam (see Gen. 2:20).
She confused Charles Darwin with Georges Lemaître, was rude to several posters, myself, Conrad and Crotalus, yet when I pointed out that they were responsible for two very distinct theories, you claim that Im the one being rude?? You jest....
adamisk: you guys could argue for the rest of eternity but you know none of you are ever gonna stop and say hey your right i'll change my ways right now .
What is amazing to me is that everyone here wants to be so right and it the process of trying to prove their points, they are so disrespectful and cruel to one another.
integrity333: What is amazing to me is that everyone here wants to be so right and it the process of trying to prove their points, they are so disrespectful and cruel to one another.
Who was ever being cruel? Were you ever personally attacked by anyone? I dont think so. We have been arguing our various points. That’s all constructive debate can be. Once people begin hiding behind "I’m being attacked" and "you guys are all so mean." then it’s over...
krimsa: Who was ever being cruel? Were you ever personally attacked by anyone? I dont think so. We have been arguing our various points. That’s all constructive debate can be. Once people begin hiding behind "I’m being attacked" and "you guys are all so mean." then it’s over...
I just hope that if God really does exist that He has a sense of humour or I'm, for one, totally up the creek without a paddle!
Look, can't we just go to a nice insurance company and take out a policy to cover our backsides just in case God really does exist however improbable?
I mean - these financial whizz kids know what they are talking about, and if it wasn't for them the world would be in a real mess now - right?
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