If the Christian God and his Angels live somewhere other than earth, that would make them aliens. If Jesus Christ was the son of God that would make him half alien. You laugh and make jokes but the book you read is derived from the same myths I'm talking about. Do your research before you make yourself look like a hypocrite again.
ladyfingers: Good question. Personally I think not, but....heck, if aliens come for us, I don't want to be "Left Behind". heh heh
By the way, did you ever see the Twilight Zone episode where aliens came and loaded people into their starship, promising to serve earthlings?
At the end, it showed an alien carrying a cookbook entitled "How to Serve Man".
handymanrichie: If the Christian God and his Angels live somewhere other than earth, that would make them aliens. If Jesus Christ was the son of God that would make him half alien. You laugh and make jokes but the book you read is derived from the same myths I'm talking about. Do your research before you make yourself look like a hypocrite again.
What in the heck are you talking about????
If you had read my post....you would know that I was talking about an episode from The Twilight Zone. I never mentioned Christ, God or Angels. ....
handymanrichie: Ambrose, read again. I said that we were in contact with a consciousness that some people call God. Spiritual is the closest thing on the option to what I might believe. You try to make aliens so far fetched with your ignorance, but we are here and breathing. Don't you think that we are alien to a place such as Europa, yet it has water, but we couldn't survive there? You and I both know that the oldest modern human remains found are only 200,000 years old. Yet the Sumerian kings list goes back just a hair further than that? Thats way too short of amount of time to have evolved, and you know that. Besides the second and third chromosome in our DNA is fused together, and that only happens in a lab. Everything that we have found out about them has been true, so why would they lie, and why were their myths important enough to end up in the creation story of every religious book? What is it exactly that you think happened anyway, because you haven't mentioned yet? Why are you standing on the sidelines coward, tell us a story!
You said you believe in a god - granted, that would qualify as a spiritual/religious belief - but all you described by way of example were purely secular beliefs about intelligent beings designing humankind. My question was: Why does believing in this stuff has anything to do with being spiritual? It would seem no more spiritual than believing the Moon was designed by aliens or that green men on Mars control people's thoughts here on Earth. These are simply assertions about physical reality. What could possibly be "spiritual" about believing in them?
Ambrose2007: You said you believe in a god - granted, that would qualify as a spiritual/religious belief - but all you described by way of example were purely secular beliefs about intelligent beings designing humankind. My question was: Why does believing in this stuff has anything to do with being spiritual? It would seem no more spiritual than believing the Moon was designed by aliens or that green men on Mars control people's thoughts here on Earth. These are simply assertions about physical reality. What could possibly be "spiritual" about believing in them?
I think that you miss understood me, it is very complicated so I will do my best to clarify this time. Just because I feel like we were created by beings who were more evolved then us, doesn't mean that there is an unknown force that creates, and keeps a specific order in our universe. When you look at a substation, you can't see the electricity, but you know it is there because we have set up a system to manipulate and control the electricity in a certain way. That electricity exist, but would not behave in that way, and make it to our homes without a system set up by intelligence. When you study the universe you will see that it is full of matter an energy, but it isn't random and chaotic. It is a repetitive system that destroys, and recreates in the same patterns no matter how far away each object is. Now this creative power that we can't see can some how control energy on an unprecedented scale. With that being said, if something this powerful really exists, it would be able to control every particle in the universe including the ones we are made of. So when I say spiritual, I'm talking about this unknown force that I feel exist, and I might even call it God sometime.
If it lays the perimeters for life to evolve a certain way at will, then it can create biological life. I don't think that it physically can come down to a planet and fashion a human being on a pottery wheel, but I do think it is a long controlled process. The beings that created us out of their self, only existed and were able to do so, because this unknown force allowed it. Weather or not these beings where knowingly influenced, by this energy, I don't know, but it wants us here for a reason, or it wouldn't have allowed the speedy process.
phoenixrising1OPnorthern, British Columbia Canada1,086 posts
Ambrose2007: I think this could be a VERY interesting thread, if it were focused on what people actually mean by the statement. What constitutes "religious" or "spiritual," for example? I suspect people vary rather wildly on how they'd answer those questions.
I don't classify myself as either, but I imagine that some might consider me "spiritual," in the sense that I'm concerned with larger ethical and psychological issues...?
i'm talking about truth .. the things we believe ,,and true truth
a concept i first encountered reading the late dr. francis scheaffer.. HOW SHOULD WE THEN LIVE true truth .. as opposed to political truth or religious truth
phoenixrising1: NOT RELIGIOUS!!!HELLO MY FRIENDS... TRUTH VRS TRUE TRUTH!!.. WHAT IS THE TRUTH ... I WANT TO KEEP THIS SHORT AND I HOPE TO ELABORATE AS THE THREAD DEVELOPS.. I put spiritual , but not religious on my profile... it means i go to church and worship... i even play guitar... but will call myself a muslim also among muslims and read the koran and other literature... I worship with ANYONE who will lift up the heart to god...... As a scientist ,, the TRUE TRUTH is i THINK there probably is a god... can you tell me with certainty what will happen at the moment of your death?.. as opposed to political truth or religious truth,, etc
dedicated to HANDYMANRICHIE
You don't have to belong to a religion to be spiritual. They are separate. And just b/c someone is religous doesn't mean they are spiritual. I call the creator Universe, b/c to me, that is after-all what created the Earth, the Universe. I do not follow any label or idealology, I follow my heart and soul with good intent and awareness.
No one knows for certain what will happen when you die, but I don't think that is important. I think it is important how you live your life, not worrying about what will happen when you die. Live you life to the fullest and learn as much as you can about yourself and everyone else around you. Allow your spirit to grow and mature. Learn the lessons in life that you need and learn from mistakes. On day your spirit will no longer need to come back to Earth to grow because it will be complete with wisdom. The same wisdom we all have but the ego in the mind has to be tamed so we can realize that.
I dont know if im explaining anything right, lol. But I tried.
phoenixrising1: i'm talking about truth .. the things we believe ,,and true truth
a concept i first encountered reading the late dr. francis scheaffer.. HOW SHOULD WE THEN LIVE true truth .. as opposed to political truth or religious truth
The truth just IS. Its the very existance of everything. Look at a flower and what do you see? Many of Budda's students only saw a flower, but one student smiled and realized what the lesson was. Do you know what the message was? Its so very simple as long as you can open your mind completely.
phoenixrising1OPnorthern, British Columbia Canada1,086 posts
ladyfingers: What in the heck are you talking about????
If you had read my post....you would know that I was talking about an episode from The Twilight Zone. I never mentioned Christ, God or Angels. ....
Sorry that I got into your thread.
actully its my thread ,,, i just dedicated it to him because he is a intellect of unusual perception and playful wit.. don't let his rough exterior fool you
phoenixrising1OPnorthern, British Columbia Canada1,086 posts
Maiwyn: You don't have to belong to a religion to be spiritual. They are separate. And just b/c someone is religous doesn't mean they are spiritual. I call the creator Universe, b/c to me, that is after-all what created the Earth, the Universe. I do not follow any label or idealology, I follow my heart and soul with good intent and awareness.
No one knows for certain what will happen when you die, but I don't think that is important. I think it is important how you live your life, not worrying about what will happen when you die. Live you life to the fullest and learn as much as you can about yourself and everyone else around you. Allow your spirit to grow and mature. Learn the lessons in life that you need and learn from mistakes. On day your spirit will no longer need to come back to Earth to grow because it will be complete with wisdom. The same wisdom we all have but the ego in the mind has to be tamed so we can realize that.
I dont know if im explaining anything right, lol. But I tried.
Blessed Be!!
Jenna Aka Maiwyn (Blessed Music of the Soul)
true religion is to love your fellow man .. care for the widow,, the fatherless .., the orphans and the unwanted and unlovable ..i think??
handymanrichie: If the Christian God and his Angels live somewhere other than earth, that would make them aliens. If Jesus Christ was the son of God that would make him half alien. You laugh and make jokes but the book you read is derived from the same myths I'm talking about. Do your research before you make yourself look like a hypocrite again.
What Jesus meant by saying he was the son of God was that we ALL are the "children" of God (creator, no matter what you personally call it). The creator (which I say Universe) created the Earth and once it was able to sustain life, it did so. Then one day came humans, therefore the creator is OUR (not in the sense of owning it, just in a sense of relation to it) creator, just like a parent giving birth to a child, hence the term "child of God".
phoenixrising1: true religion is to love your fellow man .. care for the widow,, the fatherless .., the orphans and the unwanted and unlovable ..i think??
Religion is just religion, idealology. A way for man to keep communities under control, kind of like thier "law" from WAY back in the day. THey used religion and scare tactics within the religion to keep people from causing harm unto others, but it also keep people from being themselves. Just b/c it was "unacceptable" in society's eyes, it was "against religion". By the way, no one is unwanted or unloved. If you practice true spirituality, you love everyone, the unlovable cant exist because people like us love everyone.
phoenixrising1OPnorthern, British Columbia Canada1,086 posts
Maiwyn: What Jesus meant by saying he was the son of God was that we ALL are the "children" of God (creator, no matter what you personally call it). The creator (which I say Universe) created the Earth and once it was able to sustain life, it did so. Then one day came humans, therefore the creator is OUR (not in the sense of owning it, just in a sense of relation to it) creator, just like a parent giving birth to a child, hence the term "child of God".
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But I really do wonder. Does believing in crazy stuff make one spiritual? Or does it have to be a particular brand of crazy stuff?
Good question. Personally I think not, but....heck, if aliens come for us, I don't want to be "Left Behind". heh heh
By the way, did you ever see the Twilight Zone episode where aliens came and loaded people into their starship, promising to serve earthlings?
At the end, it showed an alien carrying a cookbook entitled
"How to Serve Man".
Now, there is food for thought.