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Feb 19, 2010 1:07 PM CST why does the SUN not burn out??
friendsfirst
friendsfirstfriendsfirstBurbank, Illinois USA105 Threads 1 Polls 5,965 Posts
Conrad73: It WILL burn out!


Yeah,2112 it will be it's last year.rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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Feb 19, 2010 1:10 PM CST why does the SUN not burn out??
ladyfingers: 2012.
Is that when the Little Sun-People go on Strike?laugh 21th Dec.2012?uh oh
















laugh
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Feb 19, 2010 2:10 PM CST why does the SUN not burn out??
deacon6347
deacon6347deacon6347Amado, Arizona USA10 Threads 757 Posts
ladyfingers: The little sun people keep shoveling coal in the furnace.



you mean those little fellas tha keep crossing the borderconfused
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Feb 19, 2010 2:14 PM CST why does the SUN not burn out??
deacon6347
deacon6347deacon6347Amado, Arizona USA10 Threads 757 Posts
it hasn't yet run out of fuelgrin
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Feb 19, 2010 3:43 PM CST why does the SUN not burn out??
ladyfingers
ladyfingersladyfingersclovis, nm, New Mexico USA261 Threads 1 Polls 5,456 Posts
Conrad73: Is that when the Little Sun-People go on Strike? 21th Dec.2012?


YES!!!!! strike while the iron is hot, er I mean sun.
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Feb 19, 2010 3:45 PM CST why does the SUN not burn out??
ladyfingers
ladyfingersladyfingersclovis, nm, New Mexico USA261 Threads 1 Polls 5,456 Posts
deacon6347: you mean those little fellas tha keep crossing the border


Yes, I thought that they were smuggling coal into the US, but it turned out to be the wheelbarrows that they were bringing the coal in. rolling on the floor laughing
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Feb 19, 2010 4:06 PM CST why does the SUN not burn out??
Y'all might want to read this:


Freeze, Fry or Dry: How Long Has the Earth Got?
By Robert Roy Britt
Senior ScienceWriter
posted: 09:45 am ET
25 February 2000



When a bunch of leading scientists got together last week to discuss the latest in big thinking, there was no shortage of doomsday predictions. In particular, Earth's fate was painted in three shades of grim.

Sometime in the next few billion years, according to new studies presented at the annual meeting of the American Association for the Advancement of Science, the third rock from the sun will either freeze or fry. Unless things simply dry up much sooner.

The expanding furnace

While Earth's fate is not entirely sealed, predictions of the death of the sun are widely accepted.



The life-giving, aging star we orbit is using up its fuel supply and will collapse within 7 billion years. Before that, though, there will be an agonizing period of repeated swelling, as the sun grows into a red giant. How giant?

"Earth will end up in the sun, vaporizing and blending its material with that of the sun," said Iowa State University's Lee Anne Willson. "That part of the sun then blows away into space, so one might say Earth is cremated and the ashes are scattered into interstellar space."

Willson and her colleague George Bowen studied other red giants, medium-sized stars like our sun that are near death, and used their findings to calculate the fate of Earth.




Artist's conception of the view of a hypothetical planet around a distant red giant star.



As the sun burns its core of hydrogen, gravity will force a collapse. When compacted, the sun will heat up and burn the small amount of hydrogen that remains in a shell wrapped around the star's core. This will force the sun to expand into a red giant. Eventually, the core will heat up enough to burn stored helium and the sun will fluctuate in size before collapsing into a white dwarf.

"Earth will get scorched as part of the process the sun will go through as it transforms from being a red giant into a white dwarf," Willson said.

Out from the frying pan and into the frost

There are two possible paths to salvation, though both involve a frigid end.

"If the sun loses mass before it gets too big, then Earth moves into a larger orbit and escapes," Willson told SPACE.com. "The sun would need to lose 20 percent of its mass earlier in its evolution, and this is not what we expect to happen."

Fred Adams, a University of Michigan physicist, has for a few years been modeling the fate of the entire universe. He said his work agrees with Willson's.

"If Earth stays in its present orbit, its fate is to be fried," Adams said in a telephone interview. "That is the most likely fate."

Meanwhile, Adams has modeled a second possible method of escape.

A less bad scenario

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Feb 19, 2010 4:08 PM CST why does the SUN not burn out??
Con't

Other scientists have learned that planets around other stars often follow odd-shaped orbits, indicating their paths might have been disrupted by the gravity of a passing star. Adams and a colleague got to wondering whether some future passing star or star system might, in similar fashion, kick Earth into the cosmic hinterlands.

So he and Gregory Laughlin, of NASA's Ames Research Laboratory, simulated many possible encounters with passing stars over the next 3.5 billion years -- assuming Earth would support life at least that long. The odds of the planet being ejected from the solar system, they determined, are one-in-100,000.



"Life on Earth would actually continue longer if Earth is sent out of the solar system than if it stays."




"These aren't real good odds," Adams points out, "but they're greater than the odds of winning the lottery, so they're worth considering."

A report on the work will be published in an upcoming issue of the journal Icarus.

Adams figures if Earth is sent off into some cold cosmic corner, the oceans would freeze solid after about a million years. But some forms of life, supported by hydrothermal vents or other internal energy sources, might continue for up to 30 billion years, he estimates.

"Life on Earth would actually continue longer if Earth is sent out of the solar system than if it stays," he said.

Or, we might just dry up and die

Before Earth's oceans ever have a chance to freeze or fry, they might have already dried up and evaporated into space, said James Kasting, a Penn State professor of meteorology and geosciences. Kasting estimates his version of the end is a mere 1 billion years away.

"The sun is getting brighter with time and that affects the Earth's climate," Kasting said. "Eventually temperatures will become high enough so that the oceans evaporate."

And, Kasting said, a cataclysmic finale may come even sooner. As Earth becomes a global desert, carbon dioxide levels are expected to drop. At a certain level, which he and his colleagues say might be achieved in half a billion years, there would not be enough carbon dioxide to support photosynthesis, and most plants would die.

Remaining plants would not be sufficient to support a biosphere, Kasting contends. So while the entire planet might incinerated in a few billion years, or cast off into a deep freeze, it's possible that life on Earth is already in the sunset years.

"If we calculated correctly, Earth has been habitable for 4.5 billion years and only has a half-billion years left," Kasting said.


This is from Space.comhug hug hug
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Feb 19, 2010 4:09 PM CST why does the SUN not burn out??
steve6610
steve6610steve6610Goolwa, South Australia Australia2,184 Posts
pedro27: would u place a bet on that?what year will it burn out


2012 laugh
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Feb 19, 2010 4:30 PM CST why does the SUN not burn out??
rohaan
rohaanrohaanCoos Bay, Oregon USA229 Threads 10,523 Posts
Awhile back I was reading about the planets, the universe, etc... and scientists estimate that our sun is at its approximate meridian, or has used up about half of its energy. There is still potent belief (and increasingly newer and better information and discovery) that the planet Mars could have been an Earth "twin", supporting viable life when the sun was stronger. Wow! now, I like this stuff! more?
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Feb 19, 2010 4:31 PM CST why does the SUN not burn out??
steve6610: 2012
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Feb 19, 2010 4:34 PM CST why does the SUN not burn out??
steve6610
steve6610steve6610Goolwa, South Australia Australia2,184 Posts
rohaan: Awhile back I was reading about the planets, the universe, etc... and scientists estimate that our sun is at its approximate meridian, or has used up about half of its energy. There is still potent belief (and increasingly newer and better information and discovery) that the planet Mars could have been an Earth "twin", supporting viable life when the sun was stronger. Wow! now, I like this stuff! more?



Thats facinating. I have seen a few documentaries on the exploration & information on not just the universe but the likeness of earth & mars. how both planets have 2 polar icecaps ( Mars' has since long gone) and the are finding what they believe are river systems , etc on Mars .

One explanation , which was fascinating was that maybe Mars was closer to earth at one period of time & shifted into its current orbital system
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Feb 19, 2010 4:49 PM CST why does the SUN not burn out??
steve6610: Thats facinating. I have seen a few documentaries on the exploration & information on not just the universe but the likeness of earth & mars. how both planets have 2 polar icecaps ( Mars' has since long gone) and the are finding what they believe are river systems , etc on Mars .

One explanation , which was fascinating was that maybe Mars was closer to earth at one period of time & shifted into its current orbital system


This was talked about by one of my Astrophysics Instructors. He told us that there is a theory in which the debris in the asteroid belt was actually a plannet the blew up.

This may have possibly caused any life that existed on Mars and the Moon to have been anhilated.
The Moon is included because it is theorized that it was not a Satellite to our planet BUT a Planet in it's own right that got knocked out of orbit in the explosion of the planet where now is the asteroid belt.

He also stated if any of this is true and it may be, (as some have been extrapolating the debris by Computer Models, to see if they could fit together forming a planet, it seems to look like it could have been), Then the Trillion Dollar question would be Did Homo Sapiens Sapiens originate here or there and escape to the Earth, possibly wiping out the original Indegious Peoples of this Planet?

It would possibly explain much of the 'lost technology' we no longer have...It does make sense, yet if it is true, and our Ancestors did come from there, but caused the demise of the home world. . .Then sadly we are doing no better here. . . .
sad flower sad flower
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Feb 19, 2010 4:57 PM CST why does the SUN not burn out??
steve6610
steve6610steve6610Goolwa, South Australia Australia2,184 Posts
CjTenorSax: This was talked about by one of my Astrophysics Instructors. He told us that there is a theory in which the debris in the asteroid belt was actually a plannet the blew up.

This may have possibly caused any life that existed on Mars and the Moon to have been anhilated.
The Moon is included because it is theorized that it was not a Satellite to our planet BUT a Planet in it's own right that got knocked out of orbit in the explosion of the planet where now is the asteroid belt.

He also stated if any of this is true and it may be, (as some have been extrapolating the debris by Computer Models, to see if they could fit together forming a planet, it seems to look like it could have been), Then the Trillion Dollar question would be Did Homo Sapiens Sapiens originate here or there and escape to the Earth, possibly wiping out the original Indegious Peoples of this Planet?

It would possibly explain much of the 'lost technology' we no longer have...It does make sense, yet if it is true, and our Ancestors did come from there, but caused the demise of the home world. . .Then sadly we are doing no better here. . . .



That was a wonderful post CJ , thankyou for that information wave hug
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Feb 19, 2010 5:02 PM CST why does the SUN not burn out??
steve6610: That was a wonderful post CJ , thankyou for that information

You are welcome Steve. Don't know how much has or has not been proven since that class. However, all his lectures were always interesting.hug hug
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Feb 19, 2010 5:23 PM CST why does the SUN not burn out??
woohoo128
woohoo128woohoo128staring at the moon somewhere, Essex, England UK80 Threads 3 Polls 5,081 Posts
pedro27: its being burning a long time



the sun is going to burn out OMG I've got cancelled the milkman
and a newspaper boy ffs and screw the taxman rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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Feb 19, 2010 5:35 PM CST why does the SUN not burn out??
woohoo128: the sun is going to burn out OMG I've got cancelled the milkman
and a newspaper boy ffs and screw the taxman
rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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Feb 19, 2010 5:36 PM CST why does the SUN not burn out??
steve6610
steve6610steve6610Goolwa, South Australia Australia2,184 Posts
CjTenorSax: You are welcome Steve. Don't know how much has or has not been proven since that class. However, all his lectures were always interesting.


I am sure CJ there will hopefully be a fellow CS member who is knowledgeable on this topic & fill in the missing info for us to learn more on it hug
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Feb 19, 2010 5:38 PM CST why does the SUN not burn out??
steve6610: I am sure CJ there will hopefully be a fellow CS member who is knowledgeable on this topic & fill in the missing info for us to learn more on it


I hope you are right. It would be very nice to know.hug hug hug
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Feb 19, 2010 5:42 PM CST why does the SUN not burn out??
newinsouth
newinsouthnewinsouthAiken, South Carolina USA26 Threads 2 Polls 1,039 Posts
ladyfingers: 2012.



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