Restitution or Prosecution??? (17)
Hi jb 
my view is that yes he should, out of respect to the memory to the millions murdered.
my view is that yes he should, out of respect to the memory to the millions murdered. ------ This thread is Archived ------
I agree with Morgan.
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jbibiza: I've just finished reading several books the plots being based during WW2 .. Where the question of Martin Bormann's survival or death at the end of the war is put forth.
Say that found him tucked away somewhere in South America...he would be about 95 years old now...should he still be prosecuted for war crimes?
Take it one step further and imagine he's spent the last 50 years as an annonymous philanthropist...using the money taken out of Germany to fund hospitals, orphanages, pay for medical treatment for the poor etc.?
Is restitution enough or should he still be prosecuted?
Just somthing that went through my head while I was reading...
Say that found him tucked away somewhere in South America...he would be about 95 years old now...should he still be prosecuted for war crimes?
Take it one step further and imagine he's spent the last 50 years as an annonymous philanthropist...using the money taken out of Germany to fund hospitals, orphanages, pay for medical treatment for the poor etc.?
Is restitution enough or should he still be prosecuted?
Just somthing that went through my head while I was reading...
Murderers rarely become philanthropists.
Prosecute. The victims families have to have closure.
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jbibiza: I've just finished reading several books the plots being based during WW2 .. Where the question of Martin Bormann's survival or death at the end of the war is put forth.
Say that found him tucked away somewhere in South America...he would be about 95 years old now...should he still be prosecuted for war crimes?
Take it one step further and imagine he's spent the last 50 years as an annonymous philanthropist...using the money taken out of Germany to fund hospitals, orphanages, pay for medical treatment for the poor etc.?
Is restitution enough or should he still be prosecuted?
Just somthing that went through my head while I was reading...
Bormann would be a 110yo,having been born in June 1900.Say that found him tucked away somewhere in South America...he would be about 95 years old now...should he still be prosecuted for war crimes?
Take it one step further and imagine he's spent the last 50 years as an annonymous philanthropist...using the money taken out of Germany to fund hospitals, orphanages, pay for medical treatment for the poor etc.?
Is restitution enough or should he still be prosecuted?
Just somthing that went through my head while I was reading...
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Conrad73: Bormann would be a 110yo,having been born in June 1900.
...and if he were alive,he still ought to be prosecuted,no matter what.------ This thread is Archived ------
My initial thoughts were the same that you all posted...then I started thinking...our prisons are supossed to rehabilitate...what if he was truely repentant and worked to correct the attrocities he commited (not that he could)...and what if he had family and grandchildren who knew nothing...should they be made to suffer? The families of those he persecuted suffered, ..
I still came out of my thoughts with the same answer you all did...
So sometimes retribution is more important than rehabilitation.
I still came out of my thoughts with the same answer you all did...
So sometimes retribution is more important than rehabilitation.
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Conrad73: ...and if he were alive,he still ought to be prosecuted,no matter what.
Most definately.
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He is now serving as Bin Laden's butler in a US provided safe house. 
The US mopped up in that war, In fact they didn't even come in until it was reasonably safe to assure victory. They took all the spoils, the money, the artifacts and the scientific advances and stuffed anyone who was intelligent and useful in a safe house so they could use them when necessary.
He is dead though, dealing with his karma. If he were still alive, any sort of retribution would not undo the past. It would be like disowning your anger. Short changing your own need to process that event.
What happened back then is enough to cry about. You can't kill the memory, and closure is a poor excuse for vengeance. Imagine how many people we'd have to kill in order to satisfy anyone who was part of that history or any other heinous event in what we call humanity.
Do we then go back and kill any Americans who killed native Americans, The English and French who killed native Canadians in order to have things their way in the new world? Thine will be done??.
Imagine that
or
Imagine this.
The US mopped up in that war, In fact they didn't even come in until it was reasonably safe to assure victory. They took all the spoils, the money, the artifacts and the scientific advances and stuffed anyone who was intelligent and useful in a safe house so they could use them when necessary.
He is dead though, dealing with his karma. If he were still alive, any sort of retribution would not undo the past. It would be like disowning your anger. Short changing your own need to process that event.
What happened back then is enough to cry about. You can't kill the memory, and closure is a poor excuse for vengeance. Imagine how many people we'd have to kill in order to satisfy anyone who was part of that history or any other heinous event in what we call humanity.
Do we then go back and kill any Americans who killed native Americans, The English and French who killed native Canadians in order to have things their way in the new world? Thine will be done??.
Imagine that
or
Imagine this.
jbibiza: I've just finished reading several books the plots being based during WW2 .. Where the question of Martin Bormann's survival or death at the end of the war is put forth.
Say that found him tucked away somewhere in South America...he would be about 95 years old now...should he still be prosecuted for war crimes?
Take it one step further and imagine he's spent the last 50 years as an annonymous philanthropist...using the money taken out of Germany to fund hospitals, orphanages, pay for medical treatment for the poor etc.?
Is restitution enough or should he still be prosecuted?
Just somthing that went through my head while I was reading...
Say that found him tucked away somewhere in South America...he would be about 95 years old now...should he still be prosecuted for war crimes?
Take it one step further and imagine he's spent the last 50 years as an annonymous philanthropist...using the money taken out of Germany to fund hospitals, orphanages, pay for medical treatment for the poor etc.?
Is restitution enough or should he still be prosecuted?
Just somthing that went through my head while I was reading...
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jbibiza: I went round and round tryingnto see if there was any set of circumstances that would allow me to not prosecute...in his case I couldn't come up with anything.
love?
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bohdiprana: He is now serving as Bin Laden's butler in a US provided safe house.
The US mopped up in that war, In fact they didn't even come in until it was reasonably safe to assure victory. They took all the spoils, the money, the artifacts and the scientific advances and stuffed anyone who was intelligent and useful in a safe house so they could use them when necessary.
He is dead though, dealing with his karma. If he were still alive, any sort of retribution would not undo the past. It would be like disowning your anger. Short changing your own need to process that event.
What happened back then is enough to cry about. You can't kill the memory, and closure is a poor excuse for vengeance. Imagine how many people we'd have to kill in order to satisfy anyone who was part of that history or any other heinous event in what we call humanity.
Do we then go back and kill any Americans who killed native Americans, The English and French who killed native Canadians in order to have things their way in the new world? Thine will be done??.
Imagine that
or
Imagine this.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okd3hLlvvLw
The US mopped up in that war, In fact they didn't even come in until it was reasonably safe to assure victory. They took all the spoils, the money, the artifacts and the scientific advances and stuffed anyone who was intelligent and useful in a safe house so they could use them when necessary.
He is dead though, dealing with his karma. If he were still alive, any sort of retribution would not undo the past. It would be like disowning your anger. Short changing your own need to process that event.
What happened back then is enough to cry about. You can't kill the memory, and closure is a poor excuse for vengeance. Imagine how many people we'd have to kill in order to satisfy anyone who was part of that history or any other heinous event in what we call humanity.
Do we then go back and kill any Americans who killed native Americans, The English and French who killed native Canadians in order to have things their way in the new world? Thine will be done??.
Imagine that
or
Imagine this.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okd3hLlvvLw
I don't know how to say this without it seeming warped...but I think we have an easier time with straight forward killing and wiping out...but the experimentation and studies the sheer evil of what happened seems to have a stroner effect on us.
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I changed my mind.. I think we should tie him down, and hang his nards in a cage full of hungry racoons and if everyone is on board with it, shove a bucket of leeches up his chocolate salmon shoot. A few people with torches or perhaps an angry mob would complete the scene, oh and this guy too
He'll never do it again.
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jbibiza: My initial thoughts were the same that you all posted...then I started thinking...our prisons are supossed to rehabilitate...what if he was truely repentant and worked to correct the attrocities he commited (not that he could)...and what if he had family and grandchildren who knew nothing...should they be made to suffer? The families of those he persecuted suffered, ..
I still came out of my thoughts with the same answer you all did...
So sometimes retribution is more important than rehabilitation.
I still came out of my thoughts with the same answer you all did...
So sometimes retribution is more important than rehabilitation.
I like yourself, would believe it true, that our prisons are supposed to rehabilitate, but believe it or not, this is not true.
I majored in Law in College. I had this question on an exam:
What is the purpose of the Prison system?
My answer of course was, Rehabilitation.
I got it WRONG!
I went to my Professor and asked WHY?
He then informed me that the purpose of the Prison System is
PUNISHMENT.
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HealthyLiving: I like yourself, would believe it true, that our prisons are supposed to rehabilitate, but believe it or not, this is not true.
I majored in Law in College. I had this question on an exam:
What is the purpose of the Prison system?
My answer of course was, Rehabilitation.
I got it WRONG!
I went to my Professor and asked WHY?
He then informed me that the purpose of the Prison System is
PUNISHMENT.
Acording to who's Law?I majored in Law in College. I had this question on an exam:
What is the purpose of the Prison system?
My answer of course was, Rehabilitation.
I got it WRONG!
I went to my Professor and asked WHY?
He then informed me that the purpose of the Prison System is
PUNISHMENT.
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conjor: Acording to who's Law?
I majored in Texas Law, U.S.A.
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Say that found him tucked away somewhere in South America...he would be about 95 years old now...should he still be prosecuted for war crimes?
Take it one step further and imagine he's spent the last 50 years as an annonymous philanthropist...using the money taken out of Germany to fund hospitals, orphanages, pay for medical treatment for the poor etc.?
Is restitution enough or should he still be prosecuted?
Just somthing that went through my head while I was reading...