Taking patrionism too far ? (28)
telgordo:
Not for the first time, the couple i stopped were scottish, and i got the same response i have had previously,"no ,we are not english, we are scottish "
Not for the first time, the couple i stopped were scottish, and i got the same response i have had previously,"no ,we are not english, we are scottish "
Typical Jock answer to a simple question of 'Do you speak English'
I served with a Jock regiment, The Queens Own Highlanders, for three years and I was one of about 9 Englishman serving. For the most, I had no real problems..but yes, there were some that took it to the extreme.
Strange though, for their football team was run by the Unit PTI, an Englishman. I skippered and trained the rugby team and skippered the cricket team...but yes, there was animosity against the English by some....damn Tuchters
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next time you get lost.... wear a Kilt.... just in case ....
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Just going to go out on a limb here and looking at their answer i suspect you asked Are you English? .....
and they of course answered correctly by saying
"No we are Scottish".
Im sure had you asked Do you speak English? the answer would have been yes.
just a thought
PP
and they of course answered correctly by saying
"No we are Scottish".
Im sure had you asked Do you speak English? the answer would have been yes.
just a thought
PP
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Boban1: next time you get lost.... wear a Kilt.... just in case ....
Ive got a tartan car rug
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Steve5721: Oh piss off haggis eating, skirt wearing poofter
What have i started
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Steve5721: Typical Jock answer to a simple question of 'Do you speak English'
I served with a Jock regiment, The Queens Own Highlanders, for three years and I was one of about 9 Englishman serving. For the most, I had no real problems..but yes, there were some that took it to the extreme.
Strange though, for their football team was run by the Unit PTI, an Englishman. I skippered and trained the rugby team and skippered the cricket team...but yes, there was animosity against the English by some....damn Tuchters
I served with a Jock regiment, The Queens Own Highlanders, for three years and I was one of about 9 Englishman serving. For the most, I had no real problems..but yes, there were some that took it to the extreme.
Strange though, for their football team was run by the Unit PTI, an Englishman. I skippered and trained the rugby team and skippered the cricket team...but yes, there was animosity against the English by some....damn Tuchters
noo steve!
we'll not even go into scottish football cos they only have two mediocre teams, but i'll be up there watching the world cup! im sure if england get beat there'll be loads of glaswegians giving me a shoulder to cry on! NOT!!
anyway who am i to talk? according to scottish legend, a geordie is just a jock with his brains kicked out!
must be plenty of geordies in croatia boban!
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telgordo: What have i started
Nowt to worry about mate...Ralph is an okay guy...for a Jock.
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jimmyl:
anyway who am i to talk? according to scottish legend, a geordie is just a jock with his brains kicked out!
anyway who am i to talk? according to scottish legend, a geordie is just a jock with his brains kicked out!
Jock with brains? Oxymoron there Geordie.
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Steve5721: Jock with brains? Oxymoron there Geordie.
aye man they did used to have brains!!
till someone told the tight gits they could get 2 bob if they sold them as haggis!
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jimmyl: aye man they did used to have brains!!till someone told the tight gits they could get 2 bob if they sold them as haggis!
Try asking a Canadian if he's American and you will get the same response. When we are abroad we like people to know we are Scots. The Irish and the Welsh would be the same.
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I always say I speak American....and English is my second lag....it is just a joke for the most part but here we do have so many other cultures and peoples from around the world that many words we think are english are really in fact not but we use them everyday....so thats why I say here we speak American 
I am just glad I can speak at all
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In response to: Does anyone else find this has happened to them ?
I was out yesterday in a location that i hadnt been to before and was trying to find a certain place
My sat- nav is as useful as a chocolate teapot, and did not recognise the area, so i decided to stop someone to ask directions
Living in spain and in a prime holiday location,you are never sure who are locals and who are holidaymakers, (although it is predominently people from the uk ),so my first question if looking for directions is always either are you english, or do you speak english,or if they appear spanish "hablas ingles", as my spanish is very limited unfortunately
Not for the first time, the couple i stopped were scottish, and i got the same response i have had previously,"no ,we are not english, we are scottish "
I do understand the scots are very patriotic,i sometimes wish the english were , (this only comes out at football matches) ,but i only ask the question in this way as english is a universal language and most countries can understand it to a certain extent.
Nobody i know of asks "are you british, or do you speak british ?"
My question is, do other nationalities find this happening to them ?
For instance,in a similar situation do latvians ask,"do you speak latvian", or americans "do you speak american"
Or if from a certain state, eg texas,"do you speak texas "
I know the welsh would not ask,"do you speak welsh",unless this was asked in south wales, and if you are irish you would not ask the same
It just seems a bit of an aggressive stance to take when you are just asking a simple question ,and it is as if you are being told "Dont insult me by trying to imply i am english !"
All that aside ,i have scottish relations ,and one of my best friends was from scotland ,and i celebrated burns night with him and his friends many years ago in paisley,which has got a bad reputation, but i found everyone very friendly towards me and i never felt as if i was an outsider
I was out yesterday in a location that i hadnt been to before and was trying to find a certain place
My sat- nav is as useful as a chocolate teapot, and did not recognise the area, so i decided to stop someone to ask directions
Living in spain and in a prime holiday location,you are never sure who are locals and who are holidaymakers, (although it is predominently people from the uk ),so my first question if looking for directions is always either are you english, or do you speak english,or if they appear spanish "hablas ingles", as my spanish is very limited unfortunately
Not for the first time, the couple i stopped were scottish, and i got the same response i have had previously,"no ,we are not english, we are scottish "
I do understand the scots are very patriotic,i sometimes wish the english were , (this only comes out at football matches) ,but i only ask the question in this way as english is a universal language and most countries can understand it to a certain extent.
Nobody i know of asks "are you british, or do you speak british ?"
My question is, do other nationalities find this happening to them ?
For instance,in a similar situation do latvians ask,"do you speak latvian", or americans "do you speak american"
Or if from a certain state, eg texas,"do you speak texas "
I know the welsh would not ask,"do you speak welsh",unless this was asked in south wales, and if you are irish you would not ask the same
It just seems a bit of an aggressive stance to take when you are just asking a simple question ,and it is as if you are being told "Dont insult me by trying to imply i am english !"
All that aside ,i have scottish relations ,and one of my best friends was from scotland ,and i celebrated burns night with him and his friends many years ago in paisley,which has got a bad reputation, but i found everyone very friendly towards me and i never felt as if i was an outsider
O.k. Well.... going back to the British history although Scotland was kinda part of Britain they had their own queens and kings many or most of whom were closely related to the English queens and kings. Anyway, any attempt of the Scottish to be absolutely authonomous historically ended up with a slauther of both their monarchy rulers, and the population as well. Hence their extremely strong sense of belonging to Scotland and maybe over patriotism. This memory has been passed on from one generation onto the other for centuries and it simply can't be forgotten easily. Remember how Mary the queen of Scots was inprisoned in her 20-ties by her first cousin Elizabeth I hence the expression 'bloody Mary' which is both used for vodka with tomatoe juice and as curse - 'bloody'....LOL
Anyway, she was dangerous to her cousin and she was executed in 1587 only 44 years old. By orders of the English government, all of her possessions were burned. In 1603, upon Elizabeth's death, Mary's son became king of England as James I. As a conclusion the next generations are paying for their forefathers' mistakes. A fact of history whether just or not.
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Godsgift: Try asking a Canadian if he's American and you will get the same response. When we are abroad we like people to know we are Scots. The Irish and the Welsh would be the same.
I was just curious to know if this happens in other countries between different nationalities,so thanks for the feedback
I always ask "do you speak english" in this situation as i dont want to offend anyone,although it wouldnt bother me too much if someone thought i wasnt, i guess i am just easy going
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telgordo: What have i started
Oh dont worry about them 2... they love each other really....
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I've often asked people if they speak English or if they speak French and many have asked me if I spoke a certain language but I never ran into the same problem you did or should I say got an answer like you did.
Like one mentioned if you asked me if I'm English then I'd answer no I'm Canadian.
Like one mentioned if you asked me if I'm English then I'd answer no I'm Canadian.
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Godsgift: Try asking a Canadian if he's American and you will get the same response. When we are abroad we like people to know we are Scots. The Irish and the Welsh would be the same.
fair comment, there's nothing wrong with being proud of where you come from! we all have our own history.
i even like people from leadgate, and thats 3 miles away! lol
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loveubabe95: O.k. Well.... going back to the British history although Scotland was kinda part of Britain they had their own queens and kings many or most of whom were closely related to the English queens and kings. Anyway, any attempt of the Scottish to be absolutely authonomous historically ended up with a slauther of both their monarchy rulers, and the population as well. Hence their extremely strong sense of belonging to Scotland and maybe over patriotism. This memory has been passed on from one generation onto the other for centuries and it simply can't be forgotten easily. Remember how Mary the queen of Scots was inprisoned in her 20-ties by her first cousin Elizabeth I hence the expression 'bloody Mary' which is both used for vodka with tomatoe juice and as curse - 'bloody'....LOL
Anyway, she was dangerous to her cousin and she was executed in 1587 only 44 years old. By orders of the English government, all of her possessions were burned. In 1603, upon Elizabeth's death, Mary's son became king of England as James I. As a conclusion the next generations are paying for their forefathers' mistakes. A fact of history whether just or not.
Anyway, she was dangerous to her cousin and she was executed in 1587 only 44 years old. By orders of the English government, all of her possessions were burned. In 1603, upon Elizabeth's death, Mary's son became king of England as James I. As a conclusion the next generations are paying for their forefathers' mistakes. A fact of history whether just or not.
Em sorry but you're wrong there. Bloody Mary was Mary the First of England and Ireland. She was the daughter of Henry v111 and Catherine of Aragon, his first wife. She was the 4th Tudor monarch. Mary Queen of Scots was a Stuart.
She tried to re-establish the power of the Catholic church in England after Henry's death by the mass execution and burning of protestants, hence the name Bloody Mary. After she died, Elizabeth 1st came along and the Anglican Church of England was here to stay. But Elizabeth died without an heir so James V1 of Scotland also became James1 of England for the Union of the Crowns long before the Union of the Parliaments.
Until then, there would be little connection between English and Scottish monarchs. Infact, Scotland had closer ties to France than England which we still call The Auld Alliance.
And that is where Bonnie Prince Charlie came from....France. He had never been in Scotland. But you can imagine the English problem at the time. Their enemies were France and Spain so with the Scots being close to the French, it was necessary to occupy us the same as Wales and Ireland just for self preservation or they would be sandwiched in by their enemies. Their closest ally at the time was Portugal. Germany was not yet invented and was called the Holy Roman Empire.
OK..that's the potted history!
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xxfrecklesxx: Oh dont worry about them 2... they love each other really....
Thanks freckles
I thought this was going to be another braveheart battle
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telgordo:
...but i only ask the question in this way as english is a universal language and most countries can understand it to a certain extent.
...but i only ask the question in this way as english is a universal language and most countries can understand it to a certain extent.
Most of English people i meet here wondering why so few speaks English in Ukraine. Why do ordinary people have to speak or understand English? IMO, just to certain extent for saying hello is ok. Most of English i met are very limited at any foreign language unfortunately. Is that because they speak universal language? Isn't it english patrionism then?
telgordo:
All that aside ,i have scottish relations ,and one of my best friends was from scotland ,and i celebrated burns night with him and his friends many years ago in paisley,which has got a bad reputation, but i found everyone very friendly towards me and i never felt as if i was an outsider
All that aside ,i have scottish relations ,and one of my best friends was from scotland ,and i celebrated burns night with him and his friends many years ago in paisley,which has got a bad reputation, but i found everyone very friendly towards me and i never felt as if i was an outsider
You were with your best friend there but sounds that friendliness was unexpected.
Well, everyone will be very friendly towards you even in Ukraine and there will be no language problems from both sides on drinking a bottle of Gorilka. Just don't ask ukrainians if they are russians
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I was out yesterday in a location that i hadnt been to before and was trying to find a certain place
My sat- nav is as useful as a chocolate teapot, and did not recognise the area, so i decided to stop someone to ask directions
Living in spain and in a prime holiday location,you are never sure who are locals and who are holidaymakers, (although it is predominently people from the uk ),so my first question if looking for directions is always either are you english, or do you speak english,or if they appear spanish "hablas ingles", as my spanish is very limited unfortunately
Not for the first time, the couple i stopped were scottish, and i got the same response i have had previously,"no ,we are not english, we are scottish "
I do understand the scots are very patriotic,i sometimes wish the english were , (this only comes out at football matches) ,but i only ask the question in this way as english is a universal language and most countries can understand it to a certain extent.
Nobody i know of asks "are you british, or do you speak british ?"
My question is, do other nationalities find this happening to them ?
For instance,in a similar situation do latvians ask,"do you speak latvian", or americans "do you speak american"
Or if from a certain state, eg texas,"do you speak texas "
I know the welsh would not ask,"do you speak welsh",unless this was asked in south wales, and if you are irish you would not ask the same
It just seems a bit of an aggressive stance to take when you are just asking a simple question ,and it is as if you are being told "Dont insult me by trying to imply i am english !"
All that aside ,i have scottish relations ,and one of my best friends was from scotland ,and i celebrated burns night with him and his friends many years ago in paisley,which has got a bad reputation, but i found everyone very friendly towards me and i never felt as if i was an outsider