NDE, OBE, Spiritual Phenomena, Miraculous Healings (127)
murny: With pretty pictures and flash cards? Metaphors and allegorical references to experiences that go beyond the realm of thought? Wow, that good, eh? Can you describe any impressions, then? How you felt differently afterward and why?
No. I will be accused of "washing down or debunking" established religious dogma.
These sorts of things are personal, and I remain a humble witness to daily "miracles" without the necessity of religious dogma to prop up my experiences with "god did it" BS.
Thanks for the invitation, however. Nothing personal to yourself.
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Galactic_bodhi: No. I will be accused of "washing down or debunking" established religious dogma.
These sorts of things are personal, and I remain a humble witness to daily "miracles" without the necessity of religious dogma to prop up my experiences with "god did it" BS.
Thanks for the invitation, however. Nothing personal to yourself.
These sorts of things are personal, and I remain a humble witness to daily "miracles" without the necessity of religious dogma to prop up my experiences with "god did it" BS.
Thanks for the invitation, however. Nothing personal to yourself.
I respect that it is of a personal nature.
If you are afraid of being accused of debunking dogma, as you stated, you are welcome to leave me a message. It is precisely those ideas I am interested in.
However, I don't want to violate your wanting to keep it private, so either way is fine.
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Galactic_bodhi: Interesting. I have had 2 NDE's. One was also from drowning in the Clackamas river (I only mention that as you're from Vancouver and may actually know where that is...lol.)
I actually experienced a radical shift in reality after the drowning that aroused my interest in Quantum Mechanics. It was apparently a form of Involuntary Quantum Suicide.
I actually experienced a radical shift in reality after the drowning that aroused my interest in Quantum Mechanics. It was apparently a form of Involuntary Quantum Suicide.
Hey, we are neighbors! My NDE occured off the CA coast when I was much younger. I do love science and am an amateur astronomer and will check out your cool link....thanks bud!!!
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banditocali: How do you know what the virgin mary does? Does she report her activities to you?
well we do know GOD spoke to the people in the past and present
through his prophets and and holy men.and i allso include women.used as prophets.now we have mystics all over the world
claiming to have recieved messages from the virgin mary.,as mary herself in her apparations claims to speak on behalf of jesus
and the father..as christians and children of GOD.who have the
holy spirit liveing in us we must be able to disern what is
true and what is false..after studying her apparations
and messages in some detail i have come to the conclusion
they are false.
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murny: In fact, I think the Bible touches on these subjects.
Jesus said we could do this and more, even move mountains if we so wished. He made comments about when we wanted something, to "hold it in your mind, and it will be yours".
Even Old Testament miracles, such as the parting of the Red Sea, so the nation of Israel could cross, seem perfectly conceivable to me! After studying the holographic model of the universe, I think the collective conscious of the nation very well may have brought it about. Many Christian fundamentalists would say, "no, God did it", but its really the same thing. The New Testament is full of references to God indwelling, empowering, being one with, people, and in fact, all of the universe.
Jesus said we could do this and more, even move mountains if we so wished. He made comments about when we wanted something, to "hold it in your mind, and it will be yours".
Even Old Testament miracles, such as the parting of the Red Sea, so the nation of Israel could cross, seem perfectly conceivable to me! After studying the holographic model of the universe, I think the collective conscious of the nation very well may have brought it about. Many Christian fundamentalists would say, "no, God did it", but its really the same thing. The New Testament is full of references to God indwelling, empowering, being one with, people, and in fact, all of the universe.
For the record, I don't view miracles as something that is rare or impossible, we label them as miracles because we don't have the knowledge of how to perform such feats---such as healing by touch or redirecting the energies in the ethereal body---and there are people out there who are capable of this---almost in the manner like Jesus healed. Jesus was a very evolved entity and was able to do things that humans couldn't since he was from a dimension/density of a higher consciousness/awareness---or in the future as we might say if we are to assume that humanity is evolving in that direction---to a higher awareness/consciousness.
Buddhists, Taoists, and Hindus are not impressed by miracles, and their traditions are full of miraculous stories and they take them in stride since they view it as a psychic power. In any case, I believe miracles are normal things, but we are not tuned into nor do we have the knowledge of the physics behind such events. So we label them as miracles with our limited views and lack of expanded understanding of our deeper and higher selves.
murny:
I think the pervading mentality that God, or as some call it, "mind" is separate from us, is more and more being shown to be inaccurate. This oneness of all things answers many perplexities in Science, and explains many miracles, in my opinion.
I think the pervading mentality that God, or as some call it, "mind" is separate from us, is more and more being shown to be inaccurate. This oneness of all things answers many perplexities in Science, and explains many miracles, in my opinion.
I don't buy the Jewish-Christian-Muslim version of God because this monotheistic branch does just what most of science does---separates this higher consciousness of infinity (what you label as God) from us. That is a fundamental problem with this branch of religion since the doctrines are very limiting and distorted due to the time it was written---a very crude time as far as understanding.
Nevertheless, Quantum entanglement is going in the right direction as far as showing that we are always entangled to each other, other conscious beings in the cosmos, with the cosmos itself, and our higher selves---our expanded selves which religion has labeled as this Western God. The God concept is developing and evolving with the times, and the signs are all around us. Moving on, all of this does relate to the holographic model, but our understanding of this lacks depth right now. But it does make sense to me that some form of existence does indeed exist on a non-physical plane that is outside our spacetime continuum.
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Let us not talk of that great and beautiful spectacle which was never made for me! ...
We encounter some phenomenon that is, in our opinion, beyond the powers of man, and immediately we say, 'Is it the work of God'. Our vanity will admit no lesser explanation. Can we not reason with a little less pride and a little more philosophy? If nature presents us with a knot that is difficult to untie, then let us leave it as it is, let us not insist on cutting it there and then and on employing for the task the hand of a being who thereupon becomes a knot even more difficult to untie than the first. Ask an Indian why the globe remains suspended in the air and he will reply that it is borne on the back of an elephant. And on what does the elephant rest? On a tortoise. And the tortoise, who supports that?
-- Denis Diderot, using the perspective of a blind person to query natural religion and the idea that a deity was evident in the marvels of nature, in a dying speech invented for the famous English mathematician Nicholas Saunderson (although Saunderson had made no such speech and the Royal Society was indignant: this kind of inaccuracy gave an advantage to Diderot's opponents, but was characteristic of his prodigious and effervescent talent), during the aftermath of his Letter to the Blind (two editions published in 1749), which was occasioned by the successful cataract operation on a young girl, quoted from and citation quips derived from Jim Herrick, Against the Faith (1985), pp. 73-4
I think Diderot had something there!
We encounter some phenomenon that is, in our opinion, beyond the powers of man, and immediately we say, 'Is it the work of God'. Our vanity will admit no lesser explanation. Can we not reason with a little less pride and a little more philosophy? If nature presents us with a knot that is difficult to untie, then let us leave it as it is, let us not insist on cutting it there and then and on employing for the task the hand of a being who thereupon becomes a knot even more difficult to untie than the first. Ask an Indian why the globe remains suspended in the air and he will reply that it is borne on the back of an elephant. And on what does the elephant rest? On a tortoise. And the tortoise, who supports that?
-- Denis Diderot, using the perspective of a blind person to query natural religion and the idea that a deity was evident in the marvels of nature, in a dying speech invented for the famous English mathematician Nicholas Saunderson (although Saunderson had made no such speech and the Royal Society was indignant: this kind of inaccuracy gave an advantage to Diderot's opponents, but was characteristic of his prodigious and effervescent talent), during the aftermath of his Letter to the Blind (two editions published in 1749), which was occasioned by the successful cataract operation on a young girl, quoted from and citation quips derived from Jim Herrick, Against the Faith (1985), pp. 73-4
I think Diderot had something there!
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murny: I respect that it is of a personal nature.
If you are afraid of being accused of debunking dogma, as you stated, you are welcome to leave me a message. It is precisely those ideas I am interested in.
However, I don't want to violate your wanting to keep it private, so either way is fine.
If you are afraid of being accused of debunking dogma, as you stated, you are welcome to leave me a message. It is precisely those ideas I am interested in.
However, I don't want to violate your wanting to keep it private, so either way is fine.
Thank you for the nature of this thread - and to those who have contributed.
Murny, find many of your ideas - opinions very close to my own. Would've messaged you on it but sadly people from where I live are blocked in your settings.
Any way have had experiance in the area you are researching. Not so keen to put it on this site with the number of knockers here. But if you want to know drop me a line.
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Hello_you: Thank you for the nature of this thread - and to those who have contributed.
Murny, find many of your ideas - opinions very close to my own. Would've messaged you on it but sadly people from where I live are blocked in your settings.
Any way have had experiance in the area you are researching. Not so keen to put it on this site with the number of knockers here. But if you want to know drop me a line.
Murny, find many of your ideas - opinions very close to my own. Would've messaged you on it but sadly people from where I live are blocked in your settings.
Any way have had experiance in the area you are researching. Not so keen to put it on this site with the number of knockers here. But if you want to know drop me a line.
I appreciate all contributions here and am happy that everyone has been respectful on this thread! We must always look at others viewpoints and grow in learning.
I sent you an email.
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K_rational: The issue is not whether everything can be known or whether things even need to be known.
What is at issue is people pretending to have the answers, usually in an attempt to make money. People who believe in this malarky are gullible and willing to waste money on it as books, audio recordings or "workshops" and other bunk.
If you didn't read it or don't recall, after Ray Wallace died, his family admitted that the "bigfoot film" was a fraud, that Wallace knew it was a man in a gorilla suit. And yet nearly a decade later, people still believe in that idiocy and are paying money for "souvenirs" and "investigations".
What is at issue is people pretending to have the answers, usually in an attempt to make money. People who believe in this malarky are gullible and willing to waste money on it as books, audio recordings or "workshops" and other bunk.
If you didn't read it or don't recall, after Ray Wallace died, his family admitted that the "bigfoot film" was a fraud, that Wallace knew it was a man in a gorilla suit. And yet nearly a decade later, people still believe in that idiocy and are paying money for "souvenirs" and "investigations".
What is at issue is people pretending to have the answers, usually in an attempt to make money. People who believe in this malarky are gullible and willing to waste money on it as books, audio recordings or "workshops" and other bunk.quote - K_rational
This claim can be equally levelled at 'science'.
For all its positive contributions to our lives, the fringes of what can be known are always being pushed along speculative lines. If you believe science has all the answers, 'right now', you will be sorely disappointed, as will many who place their 'faith' in theoretical, anything...
theory is great - but all too often falls short of the wondrous reality...
cheers
galaxy
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murny: Has anyone had a near death experience, or out of body experience, astral travel, or witnessed or experienced any miracles such as healing or phenomena?
I am just breaking into this field of study, and would love to hear your experiences.
I am just breaking into this field of study, and would love to hear your experiences.
While I could tell you in words you would understand, it would not be with words that express its truth, freedom, or glory. From my experiences, when explaining its mystical life, it is only those who have experienced it themselves, who fully understand. What is the most amazing thing about it though, is the fact everyone of us has experienced it, but have learned not to recognize, or remember it.
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Abram: While I could tell you in words you would understand, it would not be with words that express its truth, freedom, or glory. From my experiences, when explaining its mystical life, it is only those who have experienced it themselves, who fully understand. What is the most amazing thing about it though, is the fact everyone of us has experienced it, but have learned not to recognize, or remember it.
Could not agree more Abram.
cheers
galaxy
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galaxy15: Could not agree more Abram.
cheers
galaxy
cheers
galaxy
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l do not belive that anything can be explained by science or with the rationality.(in this context)
l'm deeply convinced there are the gates of comunication with other dimensions, some of us have the capacity to venture out in these alliens worlds ,others enter randomly in them, there's still too much to discover
l'm deeply convinced there are the gates of comunication with other dimensions, some of us have the capacity to venture out in these alliens worlds ,others enter randomly in them, there's still too much to discover
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I agree with anyone who says you don't have the words. You either experience stuff or you don't. Each instance is unique to each individual, even if they are looking at the same thing.
To try to explain it to anyone would be folly, because they can only understand what you are saying in light of THEIR OWN experiences, not in light of YOUR experiences, because they didn't have them. Idiocy to even try.
Your research will only yield you hearsay, at best, and much of that lies that make people feel important.
To try to explain it to anyone would be folly, because they can only understand what you are saying in light of THEIR OWN experiences, not in light of YOUR experiences, because they didn't have them. Idiocy to even try.
Your research will only yield you hearsay, at best, and much of that lies that make people feel important.
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GingerBe: I agree with anyone who says you don't have the words. You either experience stuff or you don't. Each instance is unique to each individual, even if they are looking at the same thing.
To try to explain it to anyone would be folly, because they can only understand what you are saying in light of THEIR OWN experiences, not in light of YOUR experiences, because they didn't have them. Idiocy to even try.
Your research will only yield you hearsay, at best, and much of that lies that make people feel important.
To try to explain it to anyone would be folly, because they can only understand what you are saying in light of THEIR OWN experiences, not in light of YOUR experiences, because they didn't have them. Idiocy to even try.
Your research will only yield you hearsay, at best, and much of that lies that make people feel important.
Well 2 people can take a business class and go out and start businesses one does ok one becomes a millionaire, so you can not predict her results, unless you have some pschic ability, I have read stories of other people that really motivated me and opend my eyes, but some say it wears off, zig ziglar said motivation is like a bath you need it everyday,
I try to run everything through the prism of Jesus and see if it fits his way, he said don't look at the field and say we will harvest in the fall the harvest is now, God is I am right now, and he also said to feel good and don't worry, birds don't worry about food so you don't worry about anything,
As far as astro projection I am not really interested to try that I would rather stay in my own body and creat my world the way I want it
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murny: Has anyone had a near death experience, or out of body experience, astral travel, or witnessed or experienced any miracles such as healing or phenomena?
I am just breaking into this field of study, and would love to hear your experiences.
I am just breaking into this field of study, and would love to hear your experiences.
I witnessed when I was child, a phenomenon that I knew later be known as poltergeist. Who controled the energy was my mother, who until now believes that it was a thing of the devil ...
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ninamil: I witnessed when I was child, a phenomenon that I knew later be known as poltergeist. Who controled the energy was my mother, who until now believes that it was a thing of the devil ...
Good it is gone now, your mom is right, just pray to Jesus in situations like that
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murny: Has anyone had a near death experience, or out of body experience, astral travel, or witnessed or experienced any miracles such as healing or phenomena?
I am just breaking into this field of study, and would love to hear your experiences.
I was brought up catholic, became a born again christian and then found Ananda Marga through a friend and psychic. The founder used to tap people with a stick and tell them to see a doctor because they were healed from incurable diseases. An eyewitness told me he saw a yogi from the org. meditate in a field while it's raining, but it did not rain where he sat and meditated. They teach Tantra yoga that will cure ANY disease. They do not talk of their spiritual abilities, but after being around them you will witness them yourself. AnandaMarga.com I am just breaking into this field of study, and would love to hear your experiences.
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murny: Has anyone had a near death experience, or out of body experience, astral travel, or witnessed or experienced any miracles such as healing or phenomena?
I am just breaking into this field of study, and would love to hear your experiences.
I am just breaking into this field of study, and would love to hear your experiences.
Near death..no.
O.B.E ..no.
Astral Travel....no.
Healings....Yes..
I've seen dead men get up and walk...many times.
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What I gathered from that was that he seemed to chalk it up to chance. I think, though limitless possibilities exist, specific outcomes, including miraculous ones, are chosen.