No one ever has to starve to death in the United States. ( Archived) (206)

Sep 17, 2010 11:58 AM CST No one ever has to starve to death in the United States.
gardenhackle: Or freeze to death in the winter, either. If someone is in such dire straits as that, all they need to do is walk into the police station and start pissing on an officer's desk. They'll get a warm place to stay and food to eat. Problem solved.
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Sep 17, 2010 12:00 PM CST No one ever has to starve to death in the United States.
anonymous1
anonymous1anonymous1Hawaii, USA10 Threads 1 Polls 1,649 Posts
gardenhackle: Or freeze to death in the winter, either. If someone is in such dire straits as that, all they need to do is walk into the police station and start pissing on an officer's desk. They'll get a warm place to stay and food to eat. Problem solved.





When I was about 16, a man in Venice Beach California, sat on a bench looking out towards the ocean.

He sat there until he starved to death.

People brought him food.
They set fruits beside him; and, brought him other foods too.
He sat there everyday, never touching any of the food, never taking even one bite of an apple.

One day, they came and took away his body.

The life is more than meat, and the body is more than raiment.
Luke 12:23


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Sep 17, 2010 12:01 PM CST No one ever has to starve to death in the United States.
gardenhackle
gardenhacklegardenhackleStratford, Connecticut USA55 Threads 9 Polls 2,067 Posts
anonymous1: When I was about 16, a man in Venice Beach California, sat on a bench looking out towards the ocean.

He sat there until he starved to death.

People brought him food.
They set fruits beside him; and, brought him other foods too.
He sat there everyday, never touching any of the food, never taking even one bite of an apple.

One day, they came and took away his body.

The life is more than meat, and the body is more than raiment.
Luke 12:23.


You posted while I did. Mental illness is, in my estimation, the biggest part of the homeless problem. Food and shelter won't fix it. Jobs won't fix it. Complaining about politicians won't fix it.
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Sep 17, 2010 12:03 PM CST No one ever has to starve to death in the United States.
gardenhackle
gardenhacklegardenhackleStratford, Connecticut USA55 Threads 9 Polls 2,067 Posts
Laura25: P.P.S.

To be fair, I have to say there is a huge army of perfectly capable to work (to find work, and even working off the record) people who take a full advantage of the system and live off you and me.

I don't know why those who are in a really dire need don't have this financial help. A mystery to me.


Now we're getting to the nuts and bolts of the issue. I just threw up a big neon flashing sign saying "hey let's talk about this". And so we are.
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Sep 17, 2010 12:04 PM CST No one ever has to starve to death in the United States.
gardenhackle: Or freeze to death in the winter, either. If someone is in such dire straits as that, all they need to do is walk into the police station and start pissing on an officer's desk. They'll get a warm place to stay and food to eat. Problem solved.
I think United states is doing well to help the needy peoples in the world ,In recent flood usa gave a good amount of money to help flooded peoples in pakistan
I am wonder to see that why its own citizens are facing the finacial problems dunno
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Sep 17, 2010 12:05 PM CST No one ever has to starve to death in the United States.
Laura25
Laura25Laura25Somewhere, New York USA50 Threads 6 Polls 8,178 Posts
gardenhackle: ...

Mental illness is
, in my estimation, the biggest part of the homeless problem. Food and shelter won't fix it. Jobs won't fix it. Complaining about politicians won't fix it.


Probably.
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Sep 17, 2010 12:11 PM CST No one ever has to starve to death in the United States.
theduke1980
theduke1980theduke1980Brighton, East Sussex, England UK51 Threads 2 Polls 590 Posts
invinciblemuse: I don't get it. It seems to me like you're back paddling big time, now, that you've realised the thread isn't received the way you imagined. What did you say earlier:
So, what exactly are you trying to say??


I lost concentration reading !!!
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Sep 17, 2010 12:11 PM CST No one ever has to starve to death in the United States.
gardenhackle
gardenhacklegardenhackleStratford, Connecticut USA55 Threads 9 Polls 2,067 Posts
ali110: I think United states is doing well to help the needy peoples in the world ,In recent flood usa gave a good amount of money to help flooded peoples in pakistan
I am wonder to see that why its own citizens are facing the finacial problems


Well, thing is.... you can't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. Everyone puts their own spin on things like this and more often than not it has a whole lot more to do with personal political agendas than it does to do with reality. That explains why so many are more interested in trying to get some political mileage out of it than actually lifting a finger to do anything about their pet cause celebre.
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Sep 17, 2010 12:14 PM CST No one ever has to starve to death in the United States.
gardenhackle
gardenhacklegardenhackleStratford, Connecticut USA55 Threads 9 Polls 2,067 Posts
invinciblemuse: I don't get it. It seems to me like you're back paddling big time, now, that you've realised the thread isn't received the way you imagined. What did you say earlier:
So, what exactly are you trying to say??


Backpedaling? I don't think so. If you're that hungry and that near death, you can, in fact, go piss in a police station and get a cot for the night either in the jail or a mental institution. Wanna bet that's not true?

Like I said, Ladybird had it right. You don't read about people doing that because they don't HAVE TO. So what, precisely are you taking issue with? You said I've never been down and out (poor reading comprehension, apparently). That's not only untrue, but irrelevent.

What I said in the intial post is a FACT. If you want to dispute it, go ahead and dispute it. If not, then maybe you should explain why you're feeling so much angst over what's actually a true statement.
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Sep 17, 2010 12:15 PM CST No one ever has to starve to death in the United States.
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
The ones with a full stomach,never understand the ones with an empty one.-Just because GARDENHACKLE coming from a poor family, and you and your brother succed to be finacially well off,does not mean each and everyone is capable to follow your examples.-Very unfortunate thread.thumbs down
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Sep 17, 2010 12:19 PM CST No one ever has to starve to death in the United States.
gardenhackle
gardenhacklegardenhackleStratford, Connecticut USA55 Threads 9 Polls 2,067 Posts
chris27292729: The ones with a full stomach,never understand the ones with an empty one.-Just because GARDENHACKLE coming from a poor family, and you and your brother succed to be finacially well off,does not mean each and everyone is capable to follow your examples.-Very unfortunate thread.


What's unfortunate about the thread? No need to keep all your sadness inside. Share it with us.
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Sep 17, 2010 12:19 PM CST No one ever has to starve to death in the United States.
gardenhackle: Well, thing is.... you can't believe anything you hear and only half of what you see. Everyone puts their own spin on things like this and more often than not it has a whole lot more to do with personal political agendas than it does to do with reality. That explains why so many are more interested in trying to get some political mileage out of it than actually lifting a finger to do anything about their pet cause celebre.
usa is spending Billions of Dollar in afghanistan war on the other side it is in deep crises and US nations is seeking a big subsdy ,is it not possible to stop the wars and make a best strategy to make a strong border security ?
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Sep 17, 2010 12:20 PM CST No one ever has to starve to death in the United States.
gardenhackle: What's unfortunate about the thread? No need to keep all your sadness inside. Share it with us.
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Sep 17, 2010 12:22 PM CST No one ever has to starve to death in the United States.
Boban1
Boban1Boban1bigplace, Central Serbia Serbia144 Threads 5 Polls 18,789 Posts
chris27292729: The ones with a full stomach,never understand the ones with an empty one.-Just because GARDENHACKLE coming from a poor family, and you and your brother succed to be finacially well off,does not mean each and everyone is capable to follow your examples.-Very unfortunate thread.


we have the same saying ,in my country
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Sep 17, 2010 12:25 PM CST No one ever has to starve to death in the United States.
gardenhackle
gardenhacklegardenhackleStratford, Connecticut USA55 Threads 9 Polls 2,067 Posts
invinciblemuse: I don't get it. It seems to me like you're back paddling big time, now, that you've realised the thread isn't received the way you imagined. What did you say earlier:
So, what exactly are you trying to say??


I'm wondering if maybe the solution to the "homeless problem" in the United States would be to model the Italian solution - the Michelin Guide for the Homeless.

p.s. I suspect pissing on a police desk in Italy would get someone off the streets and into a cot and a sandwich, too. It would be nice if the wonderful caring people like you would take them in or buy them food but since that doesn't really happen, there's always the nuclear option. When you're REALLY hungry, you'll do anything you have to do for food. kiss



(Reuters) - It looks like a guidebook, with its glossy pages, fold-out map, and tips on where to eat and sleep in Rome. The only difference is that its readers are homeless.

The new edition of what its authors have dubbed a "Michelin Guide for the Poor" was presented on Wednesday as promoters warned that the ranks of the have-nots in Italy's capital were growing.

The guide, created by the Sant' Egidio Catholic peace organization, is divided into sections covering the basic needs of the homeless or poor -- "Where to Eat", "Where to Sleep", "Where to Wash Up".

According to Sant' Egidio, which has been nominated several times for the Nobel Peace Prize for its charity work and international peace negotiations, there are some 7,000 homeless people in Rome.

Some 2,000 sleep on the street, not far from luxury hotels and world renowned monuments like the Forum and the Colosseum. Some 3,000 sleep in charity shelters and 2,000 others in dilapidated abandoned buildings.

"Rome is 'home' to some 10 percent of people living in extreme cases of poverty in Italy," said Mario Marazziti, a founding member of the Sant' Egidio group.

The numbers have swelled after two waves of enlargement of the European Union in 2004 and 2007 relaxed entry requirements for immigrants.

The 176-page guidebook, titled simply "Dove" (Where), tells the poor and homeless where they can get free meals -- either at Catholic parishes or city-run centers or mobile soup kitchens, which are marked by a drawing of a small sandwich on the map.

Volunteer organizations where the homeless can either spend the night or bathe -- marked by a small shower head on the map -- are also listed with instructions on how to get there on foot or public transport.

The guide, now in its 17th edition and which has spawned copycat editions in four other Italian cities as well as in France, Spain and Austria, also contains pages on legal and medical assistance.

"This is such a good guide that we give it to everyone coming out of jail," said Raffaella Milano, Rome's councilwoman for social services.

"People who leave jail and have no place to go have to get back on their feet. This guidebook has become precious for them and precious for us as public funds have been cut," she said.

As the cost of living in Italy has grown, so has the number of people who have homes but go to charity soup kitchens to eat several times a day, Marazzitti said.

The authors of the guide, which has an initial printing of 13,000 this year, made it a point to keep Rome's many cultural sites on the map.

"As the poor go from shelter to soup kitchen, we think it is nice and uplifting for them to know what they are passing," Marazzitti said.
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Sep 17, 2010 12:32 PM CST No one ever has to starve to death in the United States.
gardenhackle
gardenhacklegardenhackleStratford, Connecticut USA55 Threads 9 Polls 2,067 Posts
chris27292729: Just because you have been there,somebody would have expected to have some compassion,for the homeless.-


See, here's the thing. I'll bet I've done more for the homeless than you have. The difference between you and me is that I TRULY understand the situation while to you it's just something to wring your hands about.

We get illegal immigrants in this country all the time showing up with nothing but a shirt on their back. For some reason, they seem to manage to take care of themselves even though they can't legally work, can't even legally stay in the country and may not even speak the language here. The thing they've got going for them is that, for the most part, they're not mentally ill and they're willing to WORK. They're used to living on very scant rations and the pickings are way, WAY better here. They take advantage of it. The homeless don't. You can't make someone work. You can't make them quit drinking long enough to show up for a job interview. Good luck getting a homeless person to rake your leaves in the fall in exchange for $20.00.

But I'll admit.... I'm yanking some chains here. I know that the bleeding heart liberals think that the homeless problem is "the government's job".... in other words, "aint my problem, man". And as such, it's natural to assuage the guilt of not doing a damned thing by complaining that more should be done by everyone else.
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Sep 17, 2010 12:35 PM CST No one ever has to starve to death in the United States.
invinciblemuse
invinciblemuseinvinciblemuseDresden, Saxony Germany38 Threads 2 Polls 6,026 Posts
gardenhackle: Backpedaling? I don't think so. If you're that hungry and that near death, you can, in fact, go piss in a police station and get a cot for the night either in the jail or a mental institution. Wanna bet that's not true?

Like I said, Ladybird had it right. You don't read about people doing that because they don't HAVE TO. So what, precisely are you taking issue with? You said I've never been down and out (poor reading comprehension, apparently). That's not only untrue, but irrelevent.

What I said in the intial post is a FACT. If you want to dispute it, go ahead and dispute it. If not, then maybe you should explain why you're feeling so much angst over what's actually a true statement.


Back pedalling! doh I stand corrected on that one.

As to the poor reading comprehension - I'm not a mind-reader.

If you scroll back, you'll find that your statement about having been poor came AFTER my assumption that you didn't seem to have been hard done by to be able to joke about it that way.

As to your initial statement being a FACT - yes, anyone can go for a piss in a police station. I just simply object to you making a half-arsed joke about people, who have nowhere to turn to. They DO exist, more than I can bear to witness, everywhere in the world.
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Sep 17, 2010 12:36 PM CST No one ever has to starve to death in the United States.
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
Cound the posts,none supported your unfortunated thread.
gardenhackle: What's unfortunate about the thread? No need to keep all your sadness inside. Share it with us.
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Sep 17, 2010 12:36 PM CST No one ever has to starve to death in the United States.
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
I have found myself in dire circumstances and found that there were two types of people - those that gave me food when I was quite literally starving and those that would flaunt their wealth. I once knew a woman who would deliberately throw food away in front of me, to see the look on my face.

When I dug myself out of the hole that I was in, again there was the divide - those that encouraged and congratulated my struggle and those that resented each of my tiny victories. Some folk like having somebody poorer than them around, because it makes then feel richer.

Jac xxx
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Sep 17, 2010 12:40 PM CST No one ever has to starve to death in the United States.
anonymous1
anonymous1anonymous1Hawaii, USA10 Threads 1 Polls 1,649 Posts
gardenhackle: You posted while I did. Mental illness is, in my estimation, the biggest part of the homeless problem. Food and shelter won't fix it. Jobs won't fix it. Complaining about politicians won't fix it.




I was a homeless teenager.
In 1976, there were very few homeless people in America.
I hitch-hiked all over the country as a teenager, and I was homeless in every state, except Alaska; by 1980.


In the 1980's there was a 98 million dollar Savings, and Loan Bail Out.

That is when the homeless population in America went into the millions.

Men, women, children, families living in cars.

All of those families did not suddenly become mentally ill.

The problem is that we live in an artificial economy, which is designed to fail.



“Whoever controls the volume of money in our country is absolute master of all industry and commerce...and when you realize that the entire system is very easily controlled, one way or another, by a few powerful men at the top, you will not have to be told how periods of inflation and depression originate.”

James A. Garfield, assassinated president of the United States



The Government should create, issue, and circulate all the currency and credits needed to satisfy the spending power of the Government and the buying power of consumers. By the adoption of these principles, the taxpayers will be saved immense sums of interest. The privilege of creating and issuing money is not only the supreme prerogative of government, but it is the government’s greatest creative opportunity.”

Abraham Lincoln, assassinated president of the United States



“I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world, no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.”

Woodrow Wilson




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