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Oct 12, 2010 3:23 AM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
sugamountin
sugamountinsugamountinalexandria, Virginia USA2 Threads 88 Posts
Why won't you admit that Israel has no intentions of negotiating with the Palestinians in good faith? Admit their not going to stop the collective punishment of civilians until they're all imprisoned or driven out. Admit that Israels agenda is regional antagonism until they provoke war.
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Oct 12, 2010 3:23 AM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
The annual Nabi Musa spring festival was instituted by the Ottoman Turks to ensure a Muslim presence in Jerusalem during the influx of Christian pilgrims celebrating the Easter holiday. Arab educator and essayist Khalil al-Sakakini described how tribes and caravans would come with banners and weapons.

By 10:30 a.m. on April 4, 1920, 60,000-70,000 Arabs had already congregated in the city square, and groups of them had already been attacking Jews in the Old City's alleys for over an hour; the Jews hid. Inflammatory anti-Zionist rhetoric was being delivered from the balcony of the Arab Club. One inciter was Hajj Amin al-Husayni; his uncle, the mayor, spoke from the municipal building's balcony.

The editor of the newspaper Suriya al-Janubia (Southern Syria), Aref al-Aref, delivered his speech on horseback. The crowd shouted "Independence! Independence!" and "Palestine is our land, the Jews are our dogs!" Arab police joined in applause, and violence started. The Arab mob ransacked the Jewish Quarter of Jerusalem, attacked pedestrians and looted shops and homes. They ripped open their quilts and pillows, sending up clouds of feathers associated by Jews with the European pogroms. The Torath Chaim Yeshiva was raided, and Torah scrolls were torn and thrown on the floor, and the building then set alight. During the next three hours, 160 Jews were wounded.
Khalil al-Sakakini witnessed the eruption of violence in the Old City:

" riot broke out, the people began to run about and stones were thrown at the Jews. The shops were closed and there were screams... I saw a Zionist soldier covered in dust and blood... Afterwards, I saw one Hebronite approach a Jewish shoeshine boy, who hid behind a sack in one of the wall's comers next to Jaffa Gate, and take his box and beat him over the head. He screamed and began to run, his head bleeding and the Hebronite left him and returned to the procession... The riot reached its zenith. All shouted, "Muhammad's religion was born with the sword"... I immediately walked to the municipal garden... my soul is nauseated and depressed by the madness of humankind."

The British response was erratic. After the violence broke out, Ze'ev Jabotinsky met Governor Storrs and suggested deployment of his volunteers, but his request was rejected. Storrs confiscated his pistol and demanded to know the location of his other weapons, mentioning that Jabotinsky should be arrested for possessing a firearm. Later, Storrs changed his mind and asked for 200 volunteers to report to the police headquarters to be sworn in as deputies. After they arrived and the administering of the oath had begun, orders came to cease and he sent them away. Arab volunteers had also been invited, and were likewise sent away. The army imposed night curfew on Sunday night and arrested several dozen rioters, but on Monday morning they were allowed to attend morning prayers and were then released. Arabs continued to attack Jews and break into their homes, especially in Arab-majority mixed buildings.
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Oct 12, 2010 3:28 AM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
sugamountin: Why won't you admit that Israel has no intentions of negotiating with the Palestinians in good faith? Admit their not going to stop the collective punishment of civilians until they're all imprisoned or driven out. Admit that Israels agenda is regional antagonism until they provoke war.
You really have lost touch of reality,SB!
No Country provokes war!
Israel needs Peace to Prosper!
Only Losers like Hamas,and PA want war,in order not to loose their grip on People!
But you Blind Kneejerk Libs can't see that!
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Oct 12, 2010 3:30 AM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
Arabs and their sympathizers often like to talk about massacres that happened to the Palestinian people in 1948 and before. People familiar with the history of the Israel-Arab conflict have no doubt heard about Deir Yassin – it is the quintessential Jewish “massacre” of Palestinians. These people would have you believe that the Arabs were totally innocent in this war, but of course, the truth is quite the opposite. Unfortunately, Jews and Israelis have made little of the Palestinian massacres of Jews before 1948 of which there were many. This list contains a number of massacres of Jews by the hands of Arabs only between when the UN partition plan was passed (November 29, 1947), and by May 15, 1948. The list is probably incomplete, so updates are welcome (Source: Seth Frantzman, Jerusalem Post Guest Column).

December 1947 – Small kibbutzim were subjected to attacks – Gvulot, Ben-Shemen, Holon, Safed, Bat Yam and Kfar Yavetz. Sixty-two Jews were murdered by Arabs around Palestine.

December 30, 1947 – 39 Jews were killed by Arab rioters at Haifa’s oil refinery

January 16, 1948 – 35 Jews were killed trying to reach Gush Etzion

February 22, 1948 – 44 Jews were murdered in a bombing on Jerusalem’s Rehov Ben-Yehuda

February 29, 1948 – 23 Jews were killed all across Palestine, eight of them at the Hayotzek iron foundry.
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Oct 12, 2010 3:31 AM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
January and February 1948 – Rishon Lezion, Yehiam, Mishmar Hayarden, Tirat Zvi, Sde Eliahu, Ein Hanatziv, Magdiel, Mitzpe Hagalil and Ma’anit were all subjected to attacks. Arab attackers also bombedThe Palestine Post
April 13, 1948 – 35 Jew were murdered during the Mount Scopus convoy massacre

March and April – Assault on Hartuv by 400 Arabs based in the village of Ishwa and an attack on Kfar Darom by members of the Muslim Brotherhood. The Jewish Agency, the Solel Boneh building in Haifa and an Egged bus were bombed.

May 15, 1948 – 127 Jews were massacred at Kfar Etzion, after 30 others had died defending the Etzion Bloc.

During this timespan(November 29, 1947 to May 15, 1948), a total of 1,256 Jews had been killed, most of them civilians. These deaths were caused by Arab militias, gangs, terrorists and army units which attacked every place of Jewish inhabitation in Palestine. During this time, all Jewish villages in the Negev were attacked, and Jews had to go about the country in convoys. In every major city where Jews and Arabs lived in mixed neighborhoods the Jewish areas came under attack. This was true in Haifa’s Hadar Hacarmel as well as Jerusalem’s Old City.

The above list does not include Jews killed and synagogues burned in Arab countries during the timespan in question. However, it is known thatmore than 100 Jews were massacred and synagogues were burned in Aleppo and Aden, driving thousands of Jews from their homes.
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Oct 12, 2010 3:32 AM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
Article Eight: The Slogan of the Hamas
Allah is its goal, the Prophet its model, the Qur’an its Constitution, Jihad its path and death for the case of Allah its most sublime belief
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Oct 12, 2010 4:20 AM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
Conrad73: Because I am not!
Really ought to have told you yes,just to watch you HOWL!rolling on the floor laughing yay
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Oct 12, 2010 4:46 AM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
sugamountin: Why won't you admit that Israel has no intentions of negotiating with the Palestinians in good faith? Admit their not going to stop the collective punishment of civilians until they're all imprisoned or driven out. Admit that Israels agenda is regional antagonism until they provoke war.
But it is the Palestinians that are not negotiating in Good Faith,and never have!

They sell their Own down the River!











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Oct 12, 2010 4:06 PM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
sugamountin
sugamountinsugamountinalexandria, Virginia USA2 Threads 88 Posts
sugamountin: Why won't you admit that Israel has no intentions of negotiating with the Palestinians in good faith? Admit their not going to stop the collective punishment of civilians until they're all imprisoned or driven out. Admit that Israels agenda is regional antagonism until they provoke war.
Still the river in Egypt eh?
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Oct 12, 2010 4:08 PM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
To stand any real chance of success, every insurgent or terrorist movement needs a safe haven to operate from - one that is outside the control of the state being targeted and preferably in a land that is free from interference by the target state or its allies, whether due to geography, the protection of a friendly regime, or operating within a failed state. The Vietnam conflict was a classic example of the use of a safe haven. More recently, in the Iraq campaign, Sunni extremists had a safe haven in Syria which was their main logistic support base and a pipeline for suicide bombers flowing into Iraq. They also used extensive support networks in Iran, which also provided a safe haven for Shi'ite insurgents attacking coalition forces, as well as through the Iranian Revolutionary Guards and Hizbullah, which provided training, organization, munitions, and direction.

Today the Afghan Taliban's safe haven and support base is in Pakistan, although the second largest extremist group engaged in Afghanistan, Hizb-i-Islami, has its main base in Iran itself. In March, General Petraeus, the Head of U.S. Central Command, in testimony to the U.S. Senate Foreign Relations Committee, revealed that Tehran is letting al-Qaeda leaders travel freely between Pakistan and Afghanistan, effectively using Iranian territory as a safe haven, while permitting them also to hold meetings in Iran to plan terrorist attacks against U.S. and other Western targets.

Israel has had more than a flavor of what it can mean to leave hostile groups in control of lands adjacent to its own borders in southern Lebanon and in Gaza. Any similar move to totally cede control to the Palestinians of the West Bank or a part of Jerusalem may have considerable attraction for any peace process, and that is certainly the view of many in the international community. But both prospects would carry immense risk from the perspective of asymmetrical activities against Israel.
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Oct 12, 2010 6:02 PM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
sugamountin
sugamountinsugamountinalexandria, Virginia USA2 Threads 88 Posts
sugamountin: Why won't you admit that Israel has no intentions of negotiating with the Palestinians in good faith? Admit their not going to stop the collective punishment of civilians until they're all imprisoned or driven out. Admit that Israels agenda is regional antagonism until they provoke war.
So won't you admit to these points?
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Oct 12, 2010 9:48 PM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
sugamountin: Why won't you admit that Israel has no intentions of negotiating with the Palestinians in good faith? Admit their not going to stop the collective punishment of civilians until they're all imprisoned or driven out. Admit that Israels agenda is regional antagonism until they provoke war.


rolling on the floor laughing I believe you are actually serious Silverbirch so, will provide a serious answer.

Israel is serious as proven by the fact they are willing to talk to those who have every intention of killing every one of them as soon as possible. This statement is backed up by the reality that Palestinians won't even bring recognition of Israel's right to exist to the table much less even discuss it's right to be a Jewish state while they proclaim to be an Islamic one.

As for the collective punishment of civilians I believe that would best be taken up with Hamas and the PA as they are the ones doing this and, they are also the ones who issue passports to the people of Gaza and the West bank.

Now go ahead and post something silly.

teddybear
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Oct 12, 2010 11:26 PM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
mikygr
mikygrmikygrNextToYou, South Aegean Greece8 Threads 2 Polls 575 Posts
Jadzia: False premise.
Occupied? How about disputed?
False premise, therefore invalid assertion and invalid question.

Oh oh oh... May I put another "invalid question" mam? Who is really governing your country today?
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Oct 12, 2010 11:53 PM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
angel82
angel82angel82denpasar, bali, Bali Indonesia143 Posts
in a sense the world is holy even more its sacred..

we should leave others alone look at the mess in our own country's or even more so look at the mess in our own hearts, try to solve the worlds problems and we will keep on trying solve them but solve the problems in your own heart and than perhaps we can all live in peace and see together how we can fix this messed up world, we are all leaders stop following others that are deluded..

it is deluded to cling on to anything, greed is a form of delusion war is a deluded state and yet we all pay taxes for those wars try to fix your own deluded mind and see that we are all brothers and sisters, step out of the mess by being aware we cant change the world not now we can only change ourselves in turn we change the world..

try to love rather than be hateful...
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Oct 13, 2010 12:06 AM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
angel82: in a sense the world is holy even more its sacred..

we should leave others alone look at the mess in our own country's or even more so look at the mess in our own hearts, try to solve the worlds problems and we will keep on trying solve them but solve the problems in your own heart and than perhaps we can all live in peace and see together how we can fix this messed up world, we are all leaders stop following others that are deluded..

it is deluded to cling on to anything, greed is a form of delusion war is a deluded state and yet we all pay taxes for those wars try to fix your own deluded mind and see that we are all brothers and sisters, step out of the mess by being aware we cant change the world not now we can only change ourselves in turn we change the world..

try to love rather than be hateful...


We made Israel and, what could have been (and still might be Palestine) so, we have a responsibility to discuss and contribute to it.

Surely, you don't give birth to children and tell them what you just did above and send them on their way at a day old or whatever do you?
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Oct 13, 2010 12:37 AM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
angel82
angel82angel82denpasar, bali, Bali Indonesia143 Posts
seemly you live in a form of delusion yourself, we did not make Israel it has always been there war and the like's, your discussing on it is merely a hopeless one and always will.

if you read my post again you can try to understand what i said, and if i tell my children all about war who is right and who is wrong than i bread more deluded people into the world, no if the world and Israel is to have peace than we must all stop being so deluded the world is not ours never will be we must try to care for it rather than being trapped by the concepts of what we own or who is right and wrong, there is noting we can do here about it only be negative about what we don't no we are all been mislead to some point and we should look into been more compassionate to things taking no sides and working on helping if we cant do that and merely talk here who is right and wrong we would be here till the world end and that's not likely to happen..

put aside the fact you people here are worse than a labeled terrorist by the way you carrying on about it specially the U.S government and yet all give tribute to it and there meaningless wars..time to stop talking now and seek a way out of the delusion we all put ourselves in.

peace.
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Oct 13, 2010 12:54 AM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
Belushi
BelushiBelushiPreston, Lancashire, England UK6 Threads 1 Polls 86 Posts
Nuthin wrong with being Jewish
or christian
or muslim
or buddhist, etc

But there is something terribly wrong when you try to ram your ideas and dogma down my throat.

Something is only sacred to individuals.

Im so against religion and all it stands for, but that doesnt mean Im going to bomb you or invade you because you believe something else.
(Im British for doing the invading-thing - 1000 years of practice)

The discussions on the Middle East, religion, extremism should all be banned.
They get heated, very opinionated and sometimes people get banned.

There are so many facets to the Middle East. I have lived there. I have some views (Im not going to share) But it worries me that the inate fear that a lot of people from North America have about things they dont understand is indicative of humanity as a whole.

Misunderstanding leads to fear and resentment.
Which in itself leads to anger .. and we all know where that goes.
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Oct 13, 2010 1:08 AM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
angel82: seemly you live in a form of delusion yourself, we did not make Israel it has always been there war and the like's, your discussing on it is merely a hopeless one and always will.


It was known as Palestine until 1947. That was when the UN made up resolution 181 which enabled the area known as Palestine to formed into two separate countries known as Israel and Palestine and, was voted on by two thirds of the UN so I suppose you are unaware that your country voted.

angel82: if you read my post again you can try to understand what i said, and if i tell my children all about war who is right and who is wrong than i bread more deluded people into the world, no if the world and Israel is to have peace than we must all stop being so deluded the world is not ours never will be we must try to care for it rather than being trapped by the concepts of what we own or who is right and wrong, there is noting we can do here about it only be negative about what we don't no we are all been mislead to some point and we should look into been more compassionate to things taking no sides and working on helping if we cant do that and merely talk here who is right and wrong we would be here till the world end and that's not likely to happen..


Then tell your children that when the UN makes a resolution that it means nothing and that when Arabs wish to kill all Jews it's perfectly alright. Hell, I have no preference for either religion but seriously, if you have no say in the matter and wish to pass it onto your children, and they pass the 'OK' onto their Jewish friends, there won't be many Palestinians or Arabs left if the wish if effected.

angel82: put aside the fact you people here are worse than a labeled terrorist by the way you carrying on about it specially the U.S government and yet all give tribute to it and there meaningless wars..time to stop talking now and seek a way out of the delusion we all put ourselves in.

peace.


What is your widely accepted accepted definition of terrorism? Bet you don't have one and just throw the word out like it's a jellybean.

So, what is your widely accepted definition of terrorism?
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Oct 13, 2010 1:13 AM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
angel82:
peace.


Sorry. Correcting my post above, Your country did not vote at all. A convenient position for this discussion indeed.
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Oct 13, 2010 1:36 AM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
angel82
angel82angel82denpasar, bali, Bali Indonesia143 Posts
It was known as Palestine until 1947. That was when the UN made up resolution 181 which enabled the area known as Palestine to formed into two separate countries known as Israel and Palestine and, was voted on by two thirds of the UN so I suppose you are unaware that your country voted.

woow how smart very good...so the UN made up this why couldn't they live them alone or at lest try to help them without killing them oh right so its ok to boom them and try to find peace..that's really smart very good..

hen tell your children that when the UN makes a resolution that it means nothing and that when Arabs wish to kill all Jews it's perfectly alright. Hell, I have no preference for either religion but seriously, if you have no say in the matter and wish to pass it onto your children, and they pass the 'OK' onto their Jewish friends, there won't be many Palestinians or Arabs left if the wish if effected.

the UN is the terrorist and anybody that agrees with them are also terrorists, simple meaning... you been miss lead, in fact its the US government that are miss leading people using the UN as some peace dealing army when in fact they are just as rootless, you talk about death there killing Palestinians and Arabs and yet you have no remorse for the people that are dien on your own streets cope on the world is more concerned with the war in Israel and those places and forget what happening in your own streets every day wheres the sense in that as i say "deluded"

and why should we have a say in what those UN terrorists do and happy we didn't vote it would suit the world not to follow a deluded nation or peace deals when really peace is never found in that way, as i say look to your own streets try to help them there feed them house them and than offer to do the same on other country's not by force or control but by love and peace, if thats the way i can teach my kids then i should be happy...

again you like to argue just the same as your nation and yet all do the same ours is worst thou lest we fight for our people and and our country and yet we still do wrong..

the only ones that see peace are the dead!
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