Is the Holy Land ,..Holy? ( Locked) (594)

Oct 14, 2010 2:01 AM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
charlie2112
charlie2112charlie2112shawnee, Kansas USA4 Threads 1 Polls 109 Posts
SilverBirch: Israel has made her bed and now she has to sleep in it. Oh well.


I think Israel, like a 500 lb. gorilla will sleep in any middle eastern bed they want
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Oct 14, 2010 2:01 AM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
SilverBirch
SilverBirchSilverBirchSomewhere, Virginia USA17 Threads 4 Polls 3,158 Posts
You can antagonize some of the people all of the time, but not all of the people all of the time. Pity.rolling on the floor laughing
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Oct 14, 2010 2:03 AM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
SilverBirch
SilverBirchSilverBirchSomewhere, Virginia USA17 Threads 4 Polls 3,158 Posts
What good are weapons if theres no one left to fire them?
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Oct 14, 2010 2:04 AM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
SilverBirch: You can antagonize some of the people all of the time, but not all of the people all of the time. Pity.
You been "antagonized" long ago,SB!rolling on the floor laughing
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Oct 14, 2010 2:05 AM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
SilverBirch: What good are weapons if theres no one left to fire them?
Waxing Cryptic again to fill another 50 pages?grin
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Oct 14, 2010 2:10 AM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
SilverBirch: I think theres a "t" on the end of Discust!!! Just maybe.


My goodness, you don't want to discuss, you wish to be disgusting.

Mission accomplished Silverbirch! You are. rolling on the floor laughing
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Oct 14, 2010 2:11 AM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?

What's this Tile got to do with the Discourse at hand?dunno confused doh
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Oct 14, 2010 2:17 AM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
SilverBirch
SilverBirchSilverBirchSomewhere, Virginia USA17 Threads 4 Polls 3,158 Posts
Conrad73: Waxing Cryptic again to fill another 50 pages?
Conrad, you two are the only ones doing time here. I post here because I, and many, many, MANY OTHERS see Israels position in these latest PEACE talks ARROGANT AND DISREPECTFUL given the position of the international community . Sure both sides hold the distruction of the other as the greatest good. But Law is Law. And the settlement construction is ILLEGAL UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What part of this statement don't you two grasp????????????confused
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Oct 14, 2010 2:18 AM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
SilverBirch
SilverBirchSilverBirchSomewhere, Virginia USA17 Threads 4 Polls 3,158 Posts
Conrad73: Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?

What's this Tile got to do with the Discourse at hand?
Tile?
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Oct 14, 2010 2:19 AM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
SilverBirch
SilverBirchSilverBirchSomewhere, Virginia USA17 Threads 4 Polls 3,158 Posts
Will expect a logical reply when I return.
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Oct 14, 2010 2:35 AM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
SilverBirch: Conrad, you two are the only ones doing time here. I post here because I, and many, many, MANY OTHERS see Israels position in these latest PEACE talks ARROGANT AND DISREPECTFUL given the position of the international community . Sure both sides hold the distruction of the other as the greatest good. But Law is Law. And the settlement construction is ILLEGAL UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What part of this statement don't you two grasp????????????



LOL.....first you want Israel to end the Gaza blockaide.....that would require peace talks. Then you want Israsl to stop to building on the west bank.....that would require peace talks. then you want Israel bring down the walls....that would require peace talks....but the if Israel talks at that the table its is ARROGANT and DISRESPECTFUL?doh

SB since we have taken it here. How do you know what it and is not on the Peace Negotiation between Israel and el Fatah? Assuming those things cannot be on the table is what is arrogant and disrepectful.
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Oct 14, 2010 2:42 AM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
SilverBirch: Conrad, you two are the only ones doing time here. I post here because I, and many, many, MANY OTHERS see Israels position in these latest PEACE talks ARROGANT AND DISREPECTFUL given the position of the international community . Sure both sides hold the distruction of the other as the greatest good. But Law is Law. And the settlement construction is ILLEGAL UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!! What part of this statement don't you two grasp????????????
Malarky,they are rightfully Occupied under the laws of War!

But what can you expect from a Body like the Untied Nations!laugh
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Oct 14, 2010 2:48 AM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
SB ...what a joke your friends in Gaza are. When it comes to freedom of the press. Hamas just raided and shut down the Palestine Journalist Union.
Shut it down for a indefinite period of time. Seem sthe Journalist Union had groups sympathetic to the Fatah party in it.

Pretty good indication that HAMAS does not like the press snooping around inside GAZA as it does what it does.

Nothing like a little press censurship with the butt of a gun.

So this is why the aid flotilla sails off to Gaza? So Hamas can shut down Palistine basic rights of freedom of speech and press?
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Oct 14, 2010 2:48 AM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
1) Israel accepted UNR181, creating two nations in the remaining 20% of Mandate Palestine that wasn't already judenrein Jordan. The Arabs said no and declared a war of extermination.
2) In 1967, when Egypt and Syria violated the Armistice, Israel told Jordan that if it stayed out of the war Israel wouldn't free Judea and Samaria. Jordan said no, attacked, failed and lost Judea and Samaria
3) The UN said peace should happen, Israel said yes, the Arab League published their official "Three No's", including no peace ever with Israel
4) The UN passed UNSCR242. Israel accepted, the Arabs rejected.
5) When Egypt decided it wanted peace, Israel quickly agreed and swapped land for peace. The Arab League kicked Egypt out of the organization for many years, until it's economic power was needed.
6) When Jordan wanted to make peace, Israel quickly agreed, swapping land for peace.
7) Syria said it wanted peace, multiple Israeli PMs said they'd be happy to sit down with the Syria dictators, both dictators continue to reject the offer
8) When Lebanese attacked Israel in 2006, Israel's PM said both side should sit down and finally make peace. Lebanon's PM said they'd be the last nation to make peace with Israel.
9) The PLO, Fatah, Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the PFLP all have founding documents saying their purpose isn't as much the creation of a State but the destruction of the Israeli State.
10) At Camp David, Pals were offered more than 95% of the disputed territory as an opening offer by Israel. Rather than negotiate, Pals left and increased terror.
11) Pals since have repeatedly been offered peace by Israel, only to have Arafat and Abbas consistently walk away.
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Oct 14, 2010 2:59 AM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
Albertaghost: Title.

Say, did you get a spell checker yet?Man, you need to cover one eye when you post and drink.

Oh, what the heck is an 'Israelian?'
Maybe a Raelian!
As in "Is Raelian"!laugh
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Oct 14, 2010 3:17 AM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
Conrad73: Maybe a Raelian!
As in "Is Raelian"!


An Israelian is sort of like Arabese? And a 'gazawis' is maybe a Palestard or Palestean?

Glad to see this guy back. I have some of his old idiotic posts that I'd love to have an opportunity to bring out at will. All are like the one below which between the insults and spelling and grammar errors, it is hard to believe there is an actual post in there someplace.rolling on the floor laughing

Silverbirch: There you go again Goat, equating non jews to animals. Poorsod
Listen and listen carefully kid.
You are no better than me.
You in your twisted little pea brainhave no privlege, rank or "special" status. Jews like Shalit and no different than the thousands of prisoners held in Israeli jails.
Your condesending "chosen" crap is your own sick little fantasy.
The annexed land stolen was and is ILLEGAL UNDER INTERNATIONAL LAW ok pea brain, ILLEGAL.

Slaughter, ie masacre is what took place in Gaza last year.
Its what takes place on a regular basis in the OCCUPIED TERRITORIES,

Your wrong Goat. No matter how much twisting you do your still wrong.Peace to the middle east. Stop US aid to Israels war machine.


Silverbirch is making up his own language for crying out loud!
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Oct 14, 2010 3:35 AM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
Albertaghost: An Israelian is sort of like Arabese? And a 'gazawis' is maybe a Palestard or Palestean?

Glad to see this guy back. I have some of his old idiotic posts that I'd love to have an opportunity to bring out at will. All are like the one below which between the insults and spelling and grammar errors, it is hard to believe there is an actual post in there someplace.
Silverbirch is making up his own language for crying out loud!
Birchese?laugh
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Oct 14, 2010 3:42 AM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
rolling on the floor laughing If you are going to attack Israel...and Israeli....it is safer to do it by computer and the typo. Doing it face to face, that is hazardous to your health.cool professor grin
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Oct 14, 2010 6:31 AM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
mikygr
mikygrmikygrNextToYou, South Aegean Greece8 Threads 2 Polls 575 Posts
sugamountin: Is the Holy Land,.Holy? This seems to be the true question. With the break down of peace talks due to Israels continued settlement construction in the occupied territories is seems Peace is the last thing Israel wants. Why is this?

The UNR181 in November 1947 was only one of some other UN-Resolution which logically had to lead to war. UK, that time the biggest colonial imperial, before giving the scepter to USA, but still remaining its closest consultant., has practiced the same tactic of “split and keep on governing” in many other cases like in India, Cyprus etc. Relaying on its veto right and close collaboration with / support from USA, it could pass just everything through the UN.

Already in 1937, the Jewish Agency was told by the Permanent Mandates Commission that a partition of the country, in respect of Palestinian population wishes, were unacceptabel. But during the 20th Zionist Congress, Ben Gurion said that “no Jew is entitled to give up the right of the Jewish nation to the land”.

The Arabs under the British Palestine protectorate did not deny accepting Jewish immigrants as a result of the holocaust. But they certainly denied the partition of the country, well known that the competition between the Arab nationalism and the Jewish nationalism (Zionism) would lead to a war when splitting the country.

Nevertheless, the UN resolution passed, which marked the start of the 1947–1948 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine. In May 1948 UK unilaterally withdrawed from their Mandat but refused to hand over any territory or authority to any successor. But the Jewish community placed an unilaterally Declaration of Indepence which was the beginning of the Arab-Israeli war in 1948. This unilateral Declaration has never been formally confirmed by UN, however, most states would stadelly recognize Israel as an independent state, except all Arab states.

It is not surprising that since than it was just a question of military dominance in the region, with many steps and happennings, ending to the 6-days “race” in 1967. But since 1954 Israel received extreme military and financial support from USA, developed even nuclear weapons, illegally and keeping it secret up to the last moment. Therefore, its also not surprising that Israel, having undouptfully the military overhand in the region, just ignore any “agreements”, “resolutions” etc. Its almost an entertainement or a joke to follow all happenings since than.

However, for my part of view there are just 4 things that I would like to discuss in here, but objective:

1. The of UNR181 was legally based on the competence of the United Nations or its members to enforce a solution against the wishes of the majority of the existing population. How that, if we adapt the opposite thinking in all democratic countries?
2. The unilaterally proclamation of UK to not overhand any rights to any sucessor is formally still valid, even after the “corrections” have been done in the UN. So where is the legacy?
3. It is known that the tired Lion UK has overgiven his cepter as a silent world leader to USA, but for long time remaining closest colaborator and consultant, even up today, partly. But USA is a prototype of democracy and freedom and I ask myself how it can carry such a havy burden, remaining coforme with it own believes and declarations.
4. Why did the USA president, who insist to keep the agreements in the region and will grant (at least) for a free Gaza, pulled his tail down, when the Israeli prime minister visited him urgently to calm down the negative worlds opinion about the happenings early this year? Must he wait until Novemer? And if so, how strong is the Zionist-lobby in the USA?

Warning to the “Chrüsimüsis” in here who wants to call me an “anti-Semite” and "hater of gypsies", a "Skinhead" etc., without even responding to clear question, but just copy/paste whatever it seems ok for their doctrines.
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Oct 14, 2010 6:40 AM CST Is the Holy Land ,..Holy?
mikygr: sugamountin: Is the Holy Land,.Holy? This seems to be the true question. With the break down of peace talks due to Israels continued settlement construction in the occupied territories is seems Peace is the last thing Israel wants. Why is this?

The UNR181 in November 1947 was only one of some other UN-Resolution which logically had to lead to war. UK, that time the biggest colonial imperial, before giving the scepter to USA, but still remaining its closest consultant., has practiced the same tactic of “split and keep on governing” in many other cases like in India, Cyprus etc. Relaying on its veto right and close collaboration with / support from USA, it could pass just everything through the UN.

Already in 1937, the Jewish Agency was told by the Permanent Mandates Commission that a partition of the country, in respect of Palestinian population wishes, were unacceptabel. But during the 20th Zionist Congress, Ben Gurion said that “no Jew is entitled to give up the right of the Jewish nation to the land”.

The Arabs under the British Palestine protectorate did not deny accepting Jewish immigrants as a result of the holocaust. But they certainly denied the partition of the country, well known that the competition between the Arab nationalism and the Jewish nationalism (Zionism) would lead to a war when splitting the country.

Nevertheless, the UN resolution passed, which marked the start of the 1947–1948 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine. In May 1948 UK unilaterally withdrawed from their Mandat but refused to hand over any territory or authority to any successor. But the Jewish community placed an unilaterally Declaration of Indepence which was the beginning of the Arab-Israeli war in 1948. This unilateral Declaration has never been formally confirmed by UN, however, most states would stadelly recognize Israel as an independent state, except all Arab states.

It is not surprising that since than it was just a question of military dominance in the region, with many steps and happennings, ending to the 6-days “race” in 1967. But since 1954 Israel received extreme military and financial support from USA, developed even nuclear weapons, illegally and keeping it secret up to the last moment. Therefore, its also not surprising that Israel, having undouptfully the military overhand in the region, just ignore any “agreements”, “resolutions” etc. Its almost an entertainement or a joke to follow all happenings since than.

However, for my part of view there are just 4 things that I would like to discuss in here, but objective:

1. The of UNR181 was legally based on the competence of the United Nations or its members to enforce a solution against the wishes of the majority of the existing population. How that, if we adapt the opposite thinking in all democratic countries?
2. The unilaterally proclamation of UK to not overhand any rights to any sucessor is formally still valid, even after the “corrections” have been done in the UN. So where is the legacy?
3. It is known that the tired Lion UK has overgiven his cepter as a silent world leader to USA, but for long time remaining closest colaborator and consultant, even up today, partly. But USA is a prototype of democracy and freedom and I ask myself how it can carry such a havy burden, remaining coforme with it own believes and declarations.
4. Why did the USA president, who insist to keep the agreements in the region and will grant (at least) for a free Gaza, pulled his tail down, when the Israeli prime minister visited him urgently to calm down the negative worlds opinion about the happenings early this year? Must he wait until Novemer? And if so, how strong is the Zionist-lobby in the USA?


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