New 7.5% Tax for Everyone? (98)
Theres is plenty of people on disability that have nothing wrong with them and others on the social claiming aswell for yrs why arent they tackling that instead of reducing people already on low incomes...and Im not saying ALL people on disability but there are some
salanky: im a student and can only work a few hours at the weekend as i go to college in louth. im not in the grant bracket though i live at home my parents give me no money and all my fees etc are paid by me. what kills me is the ones who come fresh out of leaving cert that havnt worked a day in their life getting grants and drinking them. when i came out of school i worked full time for 6 years before returning to do the course im in now. i had some brains and i saved some money while i was working but this year is gonna be tough as the savings are all gone so its loans for me.
i think the people who have high paid jobs should be made to pay a bit more, its not like its cheap to live here and at the end of the day a few euro missing from them wont be noticed as much as it would from your normal workers. my dad is a public servant and hes being forced into retirement as hes been there for 40 years, started right at the bottom and worked his way up, going by what they are talking about if he stays till hes 60 he stands to lose a few grand off his pension where if he goes now he loses a few hundred but this keeps changing. this time last year it was worth his while to stay working where now its going the other way.
im not gonna say its unfair it was my choice to go back to college so on my head be it but all you have to do is look at the amount of new graduates that have no choice but to either sign on or leave the country. its shocking that all these well educated people are leaving our shores and putting their money(be it taxes or not)into another country. though i did hear something today about non EU workers being happy to do any job and many irish thinking they are over qualified for such menial tasks so i guess its a case of six of one half dozen of the other.
apologies for the long post
i think the people who have high paid jobs should be made to pay a bit more, its not like its cheap to live here and at the end of the day a few euro missing from them wont be noticed as much as it would from your normal workers. my dad is a public servant and hes being forced into retirement as hes been there for 40 years, started right at the bottom and worked his way up, going by what they are talking about if he stays till hes 60 he stands to lose a few grand off his pension where if he goes now he loses a few hundred but this keeps changing. this time last year it was worth his while to stay working where now its going the other way.
im not gonna say its unfair it was my choice to go back to college so on my head be it but all you have to do is look at the amount of new graduates that have no choice but to either sign on or leave the country. its shocking that all these well educated people are leaving our shores and putting their money(be it taxes or not)into another country. though i did hear something today about non EU workers being happy to do any job and many irish thinking they are over qualified for such menial tasks so i guess its a case of six of one half dozen of the other.
apologies for the long post
you are dead right about the college thing, but think of this, many of the people in higher paid jobs work really hard for their money. they take on a lot of responsibility and may have had to attend college for a minimum of 5yrs. now should we ask the people who got off their arses and have worked really hard to get where they are to pay more? are we not just encouraging them to take their businesses/skills elsewhere. remember the 'brain drain' of the last recession, there is a fine line between being fair and being unfair.
Losty: Says the fake profiler
I thought we cleared all this up
robpacciani: Yip, i know exactly what she said and meant.
well in some ways I agree people are moaning about jobs but on the other hand wont take the lower paid jobs they want the big wages which just arent there anymore, so I think if your talking about young guys or girls that have a trade then yes put it to some use and this in turn will be good for them in the future as any employer that sees the person has made some effort to work rather than not bother at all would give the job vacancy to the one making an effort
L1977C: well in some ways I agree people are moaning about jobs but on the other hand wont take the lower paid jobs they want the big wages which just arent there anymore, so I think if your talking about young guys or girls that have a trade then yes put it to some use and this in turn will be good for them in the future as any employer that sees the person has made some effort to work rather than not bother at all would give the job vacancy to the one making an effort
Thats a very fair point. Im sure there is a way of implementing such a thing but i feel the people in Leinster House are just utterly too clueless to make such a thing a success. But i do see your point, its a very good idea if it was managed properly. But there are so many people taking advantage of our social system and its down to the same people in Leinster House. In Cavan on the border, there was a population in a town of something like 5,000, dont know the exact figure, but 8,000 were registered as being on social welfare in the office! Now that went on for about 9-10 years, how in gods name did that happen? Its down to pure stupidity and unfortunately i cant see what any party can do to change this mess of a country.
salanky: im a student and can only work a few hours at the weekend as i go to college in louth. im not in the grant bracket though i live at home my parents give me no money and all my fees etc are paid by me. what kills me is the ones who come fresh out of leaving cert that havnt worked a day in their life getting grants and drinking them. when i came out of school i worked full time for 6 years before returning to do the course im in now. i had some brains and i saved some money while i was working but this year is gonna be tough as the savings are all gone so its loans for me.
i think the people who have high paid jobs should be made to pay a bit more, its not like its cheap to live here and at the end of the day a few euro missing from them wont be noticed as much as it would from your normal workers. my dad is a public servant and hes being forced into retirement as hes been there for 40 years, started right at the bottom and worked his way up, going by what they are talking about if he stays till hes 60 he stands to lose a few grand off his pension where if he goes now he loses a few hundred but this keeps changing. this time last year it was worth his while to stay working where now its going the other way.
im not gonna say its unfair it was my choice to go back to college so on my head be it but all you have to do is look at the amount of new graduates that have no choice but to either sign on or leave the country. its shocking that all these well educated people are leaving our shores and putting their money(be it taxes or not)into another country. though i did hear something today about non EU workers being happy to do any job and many irish thinking they are over qualified for such menial tasks so i guess its a case of six of one half dozen of the other. This was your choice was it not?
apologies for the long post
i think the people who have high paid jobs should be made to pay a bit more, its not like its cheap to live here and at the end of the day a few euro missing from them wont be noticed as much as it would from your normal workers. my dad is a public servant and hes being forced into retirement as hes been there for 40 years, started right at the bottom and worked his way up, going by what they are talking about if he stays till hes 60 he stands to lose a few grand off his pension where if he goes now he loses a few hundred but this keeps changing. this time last year it was worth his while to stay working where now its going the other way.
im not gonna say its unfair it was my choice to go back to college so on my head be it but all you have to do is look at the amount of new graduates that have no choice but to either sign on or leave the country. its shocking that all these well educated people are leaving our shores and putting their money(be it taxes or not)into another country. though i did hear something today about non EU workers being happy to do any job and many irish thinking they are over qualified for such menial tasks so i guess its a case of six of one half dozen of the other. This was your choice was it not?
apologies for the long post
Well done however in my ignorance did you not read my pervious post? i.e why have children if you cannot give them an opprunity by saving some monies for there future education (ignorant maybe.. peoples circumtances are different) however you say you worked for a couple of years before you headed back I don't think your parents would be taking that onthemselves now. Also it was your choice to incure the extra cost and burden onto yourself was it not?
You are judging those indivduals unfairly maybe many spend there grant on needless things such as beer but who are you to know that many have spent summers, school term working part-time and have saved. I will also say this my sister is a student currently she went out the other night bought a bottle of wine for €4.99, got free entry into the club and didn't drink there after (sure club unhappy with that..) she spent €4.99 for her night out! She is contstantly sending her cv out, she has been to interviews but no joy its not like she doesn't want or wouldn't support ourselve if the option were there for her.
Higher earners this is a difficult subject, honestly yes certain tax rates and income needs to be considered however I assume the high earners are entitled to this through skill set whatever you want to call, many spending years educating themselves and progression through there careers I don't they'd appriecate monies taken off them either as they have earned have they not?
Also in subject to your father let me say this, his pension has taken a hit BUT AT LEAST ITS GUARANTEED.... his income is also GUARANTEED not everyone can say this..... I have some empathy however at least there is an income
craized: I was thinking more so in line with motivation, a sense of self worth i.e helping the COMMUNITY you would be putting back into society or the local community not ideal but surely you'be be happier with a sense of purpose
Most definately. When i was unemployed, i would have been thrilled if such a thing was in place. But they are all talk up there in Leinster House, they dont care about us, they care about their own pockets and cutting the throats of the opposition
i.e why have children if you cannot give them an opprunity by saving some monies for there future education (ignorant maybe.. peoples circumtances are different
I think that was abit of a general statement of course every parent wants their child to go to further there education but there are circumstances that arise that its not possible to fund this
I think that was abit of a general statement of course every parent wants their child to go to further there education but there are circumstances that arise that its not possible to fund this
Ladybee42: you are dead right about the college thing, but think of this, many of the people in higher paid jobs work really hard for their money. they take on a lot of responsibility and may have had to attend college for a minimum of 5yrs. now should we ask the people who got off their arses and have worked really hard to get where they are to pay more? are we not just encouraging them to take their businesses/skills elsewhere. remember the 'brain drain' of the last recession, there is a fine line between being fair and being unfair.
I agree fully.................its a real torn in my side go after the higer earners possibly our potliticans I would agree with that... but others no unjust and unfair.
L1977C: i.e why have children if you cannot give them an opprunity by saving some monies for there future education (ignorant maybe.. peoples circumtances are different
I think that was abit of a general statement of course every parent wants their child to go to further there education but there are circumstances that arise that its not possible to fund this
I think that was abit of a general statement of course every parent wants their child to go to further there education but there are circumstances that arise that its not possible to fund this
Yes I know this is why I say ignorant, I am lucky I had parents that had the foresight to put aside monies to educate and encourage there chilren (all seven of us!), if I choose to have children I will not put them in the situation whereby I cannot support there future, I understand that many are suffering but its also sad to say that many over extended (encouraged by banks) and now suffer as they have huge lifestyle debt and huge mortgages attached that they now find themselves in the situation that they may not be able to support there children in third level surely there must have had some foresight to understand that things could and would change? I for one will not overextend myself if I can't afford the holiday I won't go much as to the way I was raised.
craized: In light of the curtain situation many are struggling however my parents had enough sense to allocate monies towards our education and our future, thus this gave us the opprunity to Educate ourself through thankfully the support of our parents, we also supported ourselves by working part time. There were seven of us and the last is now studying in college! Working class doesn't make people ill quiped or unable to accept the burden of sending there children for future training. They saved for this, this may sound terribly ignorant of me but if you choose to have children you are also committed to giving them an opprunity to Education and yes there are huge cost involded. In light of students fees with are likely to come in will make things difficult however they are at a realistic stage now and affordable if the foresight is there to save, the difficulties attached is funding the added cost attached to them studying.
I for one if I choose to have children would hate the thought that I couldn't give them an opprunity to further there education i.e putting aside savings for there future pursuits
I for one if I choose to have children would hate the thought that I couldn't give them an opprunity to further there education i.e putting aside savings for there future pursuits
Your parents where perhaps in a position to put money away, not everyone is or has been due to unemployment and othere reasons, my parents worked their whole lives and reared 7 of us, did they have savings no they spent it on rearing us and did a hell of a job, we all worked from the age of 16. Also there is alot of poverty up here and the UK is at the bottom of the tables in Europe with regard to children and young people living in poverty, hence the last governments policy on eradicating poverty. I do not judge others, some people struggle to meet the basic needs of their children through poverty, and do their best. Yet these young people should be given an opportunity for furthering their education and hence offering them a brighter, better future. My point is based soley on that and that alone.
craized: Yes I know this is why I say ignorant, I am lucky I had parents that had the foresight to put aside monies to educate and encourage there chilren (all seven of us!), if I choose to have children I will not put them in the situation whereby I cannot support there future, I understand that many are suffering but its also sad to say that many over extended (encouraged by banks) and now suffer as they have huge lifestyle debt and huge mortgages attached that they now find themselves in the situation that they may not be able to support there children in third level surely there must have had some foresight to understand that things could and would change? I for one will not overextend myself if I can't afford the holiday I won't go much as to the way I was raised.
Well I ddint forsee myself bringing up my children on my own
robpacciani: Most definately. When i was unemployed, i would have been thrilled if such a thing was in place. But they are all talk up there in Leinster House, they dont care about us, they care about their own pockets and cutting the throats of the opposition
I know I'd happily cut there pay...
wittyone: Your parents where perhaps in a position to put money away, not everyone is or has been due to unemployment and othere reasons, my parents worked their whole lives and reared 7 of us, did they have savings no they spent it on rearing us and did a hell of a job, we all worked from the age of 16. Also there is alot of poverty up here and the UK is at the bottom of the tables in Europe with regard to children and young people living in poverty, hence the last governments policy on eradicating poverty. I do not judge others, some people struggle to meet the basic needs of their children through poverty, and do their best. Yet these young people should be given an opportunity for furthering their education and hence offering them a brighter, better future. My point is based soley on that and that alone.
Ah your point then is that every child has the right to education whether you can afford to send them or not? Is this right? Yes I understand that and that is true in the Repulic there are fees but in comparsion to other countires are realistic and affordable if the foresight is there, also subject to a means test you could be entitled to a grant and not have to pay fees, the only cost involded would be the added cost of living thereafter which is maknig people suffer not always easy however my point is I would hate that they be faced with debt if I have the power and means not to support them.
No they weren't, a predictable working class background, I had my first part time job at 14 also however did I read your point correctly, I took offence to the fact that you subjected all working class families as unable to afford to send there children to third level education. You said the reality is that working class families cannot afford to go? my point is yes working class families can afford to send there children through but with foresight and hard work will make this happen. My parents succeeded in helping there children become successful and highly skilled we appreicate that so much they'd worked all there lifes to make that happen to creating better futures for us so that we'd never faced what they have
craized: Ah your point then is that every child has the right to education whether you can afford to send them or not? Is this right? Yes I understand that and that is true in the Repulic there are fees but in comparsion to other countires are realistic and affordable if the foresight is there, also subject to a means test you could be entitled to a grant and not have to pay fees, the only cost involded would be the added cost of living thereafter which is maknig people suffer not always easy however my point is I would hate that they be faced with debt if I have the power and means not to support them.
No they weren't, a predictable working class background, I had my first part time job at 14 also however did I read your point correctly, I took offence to the fact that you subjected all working class families as unable to afford to send there children to third level education. You said the reality is that working class families cannot afford to go? my point is yes working class families can afford to send there children through but with foresight and hard work will make this happen. My parents succeeded in helping there children become successful and highly skilled we appreicate that so much they'd worked all there lifes to make that happen to creating better futures for us so that we'd never faced what they have
No they weren't, a predictable working class background, I had my first part time job at 14 also however did I read your point correctly, I took offence to the fact that you subjected all working class families as unable to afford to send there children to third level education. You said the reality is that working class families cannot afford to go? my point is yes working class families can afford to send there children through but with foresight and hard work will make this happen. My parents succeeded in helping there children become successful and highly skilled we appreicate that so much they'd worked all there lifes to make that happen to creating better futures for us so that we'd never faced what they have
you took my point up wrong.
L1977C: Well I ddint forsee myself bringing up my children on my own
Point taken
wittyone: you took my point up wrong.
Ok enlighten me please?
wittyone: Your parents where perhaps in a position to put money away, not everyone is or has been due to unemployment and othere reasons, my parents worked their whole lives and reared 7 of us, did they have savings no they spent it on rearing us and did a hell of a job, we all worked from the age of 16. Also there is alot of poverty up here and the UK is at the bottom of the tables in Europe with regard to children and young people living in poverty, hence the last governments policy on eradicating poverty. I do not judge others, some people struggle to meet the basic needs of their children through poverty, and do their best. Yet these young people should be given an opportunity for furthering their education and hence offering them a brighter, better future. My point is based soley on that and that alone.
your dead right, like yourself my parents werent in that position either for saving money for me and my brothers to go to college they would have liked too but at that time couldnt afford it...they gave what they could and i worked for the rest..i was lucky with the first three years of college i was giving the grand but this paid just my rent..in my 4th and fifth year i had to take out a loan..it was a given..had to face massive debt when i left but im glad i had the opportunity to go to college debt or no debt at least i had the experiencecraized: Ah your point then is that every child has the right to education whether you can afford to send them or not? Is this right? Yes I understand that and that is true in the Repulic there are fees but in comparsion to other countires are realistic and affordable if the foresight is there, also subject to a means test you could be entitled to a grant and not have to pay fees, the only cost involded would be the added cost of living thereafter which is maknig people suffer not always easy however my point is I would hate that they be faced with debt if I have the power and means not to support them.
No they weren't, a predictable working class background, I had my first part time job at 14 also however did I read your point correctly, I took offence to the fact that you subjected all working class families as unable to afford to send there children to third level education. You said the reality is that working class families cannot afford to go? my point is yes working class families can afford to send there children through but with foresight and hard work will make this happen. My parents succeeded in helping there children become successful and highly skilled we appreicate that so much they'd worked all there lifes to make that happen to creating better futures for us so that we'd never faced what they have
No they weren't, a predictable working class background, I had my first part time job at 14 also however did I read your point correctly, I took offence to the fact that you subjected all working class families as unable to afford to send there children to third level education. You said the reality is that working class families cannot afford to go? my point is yes working class families can afford to send there children through but with foresight and hard work will make this happen. My parents succeeded in helping there children become successful and highly skilled we appreicate that so much they'd worked all there lifes to make that happen to creating better futures for us so that we'd never faced what they have
I think that people should cut their cloth according to their measure ... some families cut back on holidays, designer clothes, meals out etc... to save money for their kids education. It's a lifestyle choice .... but you can't expect to spend all your money on the good life and then expect the state to pick up the tab for your kids education if you didn't save money for them because you preferred to spend it otherwise.
Some people genuinely are not in a position to save for their kids education ... but some just couldn't be bothered
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i think the people who have high paid jobs should be made to pay a bit more, its not like its cheap to live here and at the end of the day a few euro missing from them wont be noticed as much as it would from your normal workers. my dad is a public servant and hes being forced into retirement as hes been there for 40 years, started right at the bottom and worked his way up, going by what they are talking about if he stays till hes 60 he stands to lose a few grand off his pension where if he goes now he loses a few hundred but this keeps changing. this time last year it was worth his while to stay working where now its going the other way.
im not gonna say its unfair it was my choice to go back to college so on my head be it but all you have to do is look at the amount of new graduates that have no choice but to either sign on or leave the country. its shocking that all these well educated people are leaving our shores and putting their money(be it taxes or not)into another country. though i did hear something today about non EU workers being happy to do any job and many irish thinking they are over qualified for such menial tasks so i guess its a case of six of one half dozen of the other.
apologies for the long post