Bush Voted For Obama? (151)
lilmamma71: First of all thank you for your service to our country!!
Now, to address how this thread has dissolved, and the opinion expressed herein represents only what I think and nothing more...
here goes..
War is never pretty, it's brutal, deadly and an unfortunate circumstance a country must wage when liberties, freedom, lifestyle, culture, etc. is attacked and threatened.
If a KNOWN terrorist is tortured in order to gain information about a possible attack on American or European soil and said info prevents an attack...then how can anybody question the actions of the military. I personally DO NOT care about the freedoms and comforts of a terrorist and this is a person which would kill me or you for being of a different belief system, color or from America or Europe...and these animals do NOT know sympathy, have no conscience and no remorse..so why should we even care about what happens to them?
Why because they are a human being?? We live in a world of differences and I can live with and accept anybody that shows me respect and kindness..I will do the same and show respect, kindness and understanding. But NEVER to those that would as soon kill me as look at me, sorry, I have a real problem with that concept...kind of lost on me.
I know it is very easy to sometimes sit back and say what we should or shouldn't do when presented with a certain situation, but..desperate times, desperate measures.
Sorry, but flat out...and burn me at the stake now..like I care..but..what happens to terrorists..NOT a concern of mine, they are garbage and as soon as they have outlived their usefulness for providing information...I say dispose of them in the same manner in which they have done to other innocent people from ALL over the world.
I don't have an ounce of compassion and no bleeding heart when it comes to things like this....back up your country's military and thank them because they keep you safe and warm at night, that's all I can say.
You are free to attack me now, I will not respond nor engage, I've said what I came to say on this topic and am done. Peace.
Now, to address how this thread has dissolved, and the opinion expressed herein represents only what I think and nothing more...
here goes..
War is never pretty, it's brutal, deadly and an unfortunate circumstance a country must wage when liberties, freedom, lifestyle, culture, etc. is attacked and threatened.
If a KNOWN terrorist is tortured in order to gain information about a possible attack on American or European soil and said info prevents an attack...then how can anybody question the actions of the military. I personally DO NOT care about the freedoms and comforts of a terrorist and this is a person which would kill me or you for being of a different belief system, color or from America or Europe...and these animals do NOT know sympathy, have no conscience and no remorse..so why should we even care about what happens to them?
Why because they are a human being?? We live in a world of differences and I can live with and accept anybody that shows me respect and kindness..I will do the same and show respect, kindness and understanding. But NEVER to those that would as soon kill me as look at me, sorry, I have a real problem with that concept...kind of lost on me.
I know it is very easy to sometimes sit back and say what we should or shouldn't do when presented with a certain situation, but..desperate times, desperate measures.
Sorry, but flat out...and burn me at the stake now..like I care..but..what happens to terrorists..NOT a concern of mine, they are garbage and as soon as they have outlived their usefulness for providing information...I say dispose of them in the same manner in which they have done to other innocent people from ALL over the world.
I don't have an ounce of compassion and no bleeding heart when it comes to things like this....back up your country's military and thank them because they keep you safe and warm at night, that's all I can say.
You are free to attack me now, I will not respond nor engage, I've said what I came to say on this topic and am done. Peace.
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JSuburbia: Drug dealers are our enemies...I dunno, maybe you consider them neighborly friends.
Why would I consider them neighborly friends?
If they are Mexican Cartel then my answer is to waterboard them and get all the information out of them we can to stop all that crap from invading our borders as well.
Good idea - thanks for sharing.
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trish123: agreed
If he could have run for office again Im sure somebody would have shot him sooner
If he could have run for office again Im sure somebody would have shot him sooner
Bush may not have been perfect..., or indeed, made the best decsions, but if r Basing your Criteria on the current President, u r sorely mistaken, ....
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bohemianjack: No... but three lefts do
Couldn't resist
My country is better than your country And again couldn't resist Bush isn't for 'one world'? Puleeease...
"What is at stake is more than one small country, it is a big idea - a new world order...to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind...based on shared principles and the rule of law...The illumination of a thousand points of light...The winds of change are with us now." ~George Herbert Walker Bush. Thousand points of light
“"If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” ~Lewis Carrol, Alice in Wonderland
Couldn't resist
My country is better than your country And again couldn't resist Bush isn't for 'one world'? Puleeease...
"What is at stake is more than one small country, it is a big idea - a new world order...to achieve the universal aspirations of mankind...based on shared principles and the rule of law...The illumination of a thousand points of light...The winds of change are with us now." ~George Herbert Walker Bush. Thousand points of light
“"If I had a world of my own, everything would be nonsense. Nothing would be what it is, because everything would be what it isn't. And contrary wise, what is, it wouldn't be. And what it wouldn't be, it would. You see?” ~Lewis Carrol, Alice in Wonderland
You just quoted Bush SENIOR - the dad.
We are talking about George Walker Bush - the son.
He's a little different - has more Texas in him.
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This is going to be my last post in this thread, because it's amazing how blinded by fear that some have become.
Nowhere does it say in the constitution that the president has the right to take a man from his home, imprison them at secret locations, and then torture them.
It does say however, that no man shall be denied of life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness without due process...
In this country, due process, is not constituted as whatever the president says in the name of national security. It is really pathetic, to see Americans, allow their government to do atrocious acts of horror not in the name of national security, but in the name of fear. We are so afraid of the boogieman after September 11, 2001, that we have given the government blank checks after blank checks, to do whatever they feel is necessary in the name of national security. We have even gone so far as to allow them to modify our rights given to us under the Bill of Rights (Patriot Act). We have forgotten about the morality that this country once stood for in the world, and replaced it with the mentality of that of the neighborhood bully. As an American, I honestly feel shame for the things that we've resorted too, I find it harder & harder to say "Proud to be an American" because in a sense, what it meant to be proud of America, no longer exists. Why don't I leave you may ask? Trust me, if I could, I would have left a long time ago.
Do I think it's ok if they were to be waterboarding American soldiers? No...Absolutely not. Do I think they have done things that have been atrocities? Yes, I believe they have, and I think justice should be brought upon them.
Again, this is my last post in this thread because you can't have a reasonable conversation with those that are blinded by fear, so redicule my statement if you like, justify your position if you want, but always remember, there is no justification, no matter how high & mighty it may be, to torture another human being. It is inhumane, it is immoral, and simply, it is a war crime...and in the end, the one thing that should matter , it is just wrong to do.
Nowhere does it say in the constitution that the president has the right to take a man from his home, imprison them at secret locations, and then torture them.
It does say however, that no man shall be denied of life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness without due process...
In this country, due process, is not constituted as whatever the president says in the name of national security. It is really pathetic, to see Americans, allow their government to do atrocious acts of horror not in the name of national security, but in the name of fear. We are so afraid of the boogieman after September 11, 2001, that we have given the government blank checks after blank checks, to do whatever they feel is necessary in the name of national security. We have even gone so far as to allow them to modify our rights given to us under the Bill of Rights (Patriot Act). We have forgotten about the morality that this country once stood for in the world, and replaced it with the mentality of that of the neighborhood bully. As an American, I honestly feel shame for the things that we've resorted too, I find it harder & harder to say "Proud to be an American" because in a sense, what it meant to be proud of America, no longer exists. Why don't I leave you may ask? Trust me, if I could, I would have left a long time ago.
Do I think it's ok if they were to be waterboarding American soldiers? No...Absolutely not. Do I think they have done things that have been atrocities? Yes, I believe they have, and I think justice should be brought upon them.
Again, this is my last post in this thread because you can't have a reasonable conversation with those that are blinded by fear, so redicule my statement if you like, justify your position if you want, but always remember, there is no justification, no matter how high & mighty it may be, to torture another human being. It is inhumane, it is immoral, and simply, it is a war crime...and in the end, the one thing that should matter , it is just wrong to do.
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LucieLynn: You just quoted Bush SENIOR - the dad.
We are talking about George Walker Bush - the son.
He's a little different - has more Texas in him.
We are talking about George Walker Bush - the son.
He's a little different - has more Texas in him.
haha, what is more Texas, in you, hmm, grilled bbq on a summers day, ???
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skippyguy: haha, what is more Texas, in you, hmm, grilled bbq on a summers day, ???
He's a REAL man
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JSuburbia: This is going to be my last post in this thread, because it's amazing how blinded by fear that some have become.
Nowhere does it say in the constitution that the president has the right to take a man from his home, imprison them at secret locations, and then torture them.
It does say however, that no man shall be denied of life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness without due process...
In this country, due process, is not constituted as whatever the president says in the name of national security. It is really pathetic, to see Americans, allow their government to do atrocious acts of horror not in the name of national security, but in the name of fear. We are so afraid of the boogieman after September 11, 2001, that we have given the government blank checks after blank checks, to do whatever they feel is necessary in the name of national security. We have even gone so far as to allow them to modify our rights given to us under the Bill of Rights (Patriot Act). We have forgotten about the morality that this country once stood for in the world, and replaced it with the mentality of that of the neighborhood bully. As an American, I honestly feel shame for the things that we've resorted too, I find it harder & harder to say "Proud to be an American" because in a sense, what it meant to be proud of America, no longer exists. Why don't I leave you may ask? Trust me, if I could, I would have left a long time ago.
Do I think it's ok if they were to be waterboarding American soldiers? No...Absolutely not. Do I think they have done things that have been atrocities? Yes, I believe they have, and I think justice should be brought upon them.
Again, this is my last post in this thread because you can't have a reasonable conversation with those that are blinded by fear, so redicule my statement if you like, justify your position if you want, but always remember, there is no justification, no matter how high & mighty it may be, to torture another human being. It is inhumane, it is immoral, and simply, it is a war crime...and in the end, the one thing that should matter , it is just wrong to do.
Nowhere does it say in the constitution that the president has the right to take a man from his home, imprison them at secret locations, and then torture them.
It does say however, that no man shall be denied of life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness without due process...
In this country, due process, is not constituted as whatever the president says in the name of national security. It is really pathetic, to see Americans, allow their government to do atrocious acts of horror not in the name of national security, but in the name of fear. We are so afraid of the boogieman after September 11, 2001, that we have given the government blank checks after blank checks, to do whatever they feel is necessary in the name of national security. We have even gone so far as to allow them to modify our rights given to us under the Bill of Rights (Patriot Act). We have forgotten about the morality that this country once stood for in the world, and replaced it with the mentality of that of the neighborhood bully. As an American, I honestly feel shame for the things that we've resorted too, I find it harder & harder to say "Proud to be an American" because in a sense, what it meant to be proud of America, no longer exists. Why don't I leave you may ask? Trust me, if I could, I would have left a long time ago.
Do I think it's ok if they were to be waterboarding American soldiers? No...Absolutely not. Do I think they have done things that have been atrocities? Yes, I believe they have, and I think justice should be brought upon them.
Again, this is my last post in this thread because you can't have a reasonable conversation with those that are blinded by fear, so redicule my statement if you like, justify your position if you want, but always remember, there is no justification, no matter how high & mighty it may be, to torture another human being. It is inhumane, it is immoral, and simply, it is a war crime...and in the end, the one thing that should matter , it is just wrong to do.
Please do us a favor. DO NOT ENLIST in the military.
I don't want you helping our enemies.
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JSuburbia: This is going to be my last post in this thread, because it's amazing how blinded by fear that some have become.
Nowhere does it say in the constitution that the president has the right to take a man from his home, imprison them at secret locations, and then torture them.
It does say however, that no man shall be denied of life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness without due process...
In this country, due process, is not constituted as whatever the president says in the name of national security. It is really pathetic, to see Americans, allow their government to do atrocious acts of horror not in the name of national security, but in the name of fear. We are so afraid of the boogieman after September 11, 2001, that we have given the government blank checks after blank checks, to do whatever they feel is necessary in the name of national security. We have even gone so far as to allow them to modify our rights given to us under the Bill of Rights (Patriot Act). We have forgotten about the morality that this country once stood for in the world, and replaced it with the mentality of that of the neighborhood bully. As an American, I honestly feel shame for the things that we've resorted too, I find it harder & harder to say "Proud to be an American" because in a sense, what it meant to be proud of America, no longer exists. Why don't I leave you may ask? Trust me, if I could, I would have left a long time ago.
Do I think it's ok if they were to be waterboarding American soldiers? No...Absolutely not. Do I think they have done things that have been atrocities? Yes, I believe they have, and I think justice should be brought upon them.
Again, this is my last post in this thread because you can't have a reasonable conversation with those that are blinded by fear, so redicule my statement if you like, justify your position if you want, but always remember, there is no justification, no matter how high & mighty it may be, to torture another human being. It is inhumane, it is immoral, and simply, it is a war crime...and in the end, the one thing that should matter , it is just wrong to do.
Nowhere does it say in the constitution that the president has the right to take a man from his home, imprison them at secret locations, and then torture them.
It does say however, that no man shall be denied of life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness without due process...
In this country, due process, is not constituted as whatever the president says in the name of national security. It is really pathetic, to see Americans, allow their government to do atrocious acts of horror not in the name of national security, but in the name of fear. We are so afraid of the boogieman after September 11, 2001, that we have given the government blank checks after blank checks, to do whatever they feel is necessary in the name of national security. We have even gone so far as to allow them to modify our rights given to us under the Bill of Rights (Patriot Act). We have forgotten about the morality that this country once stood for in the world, and replaced it with the mentality of that of the neighborhood bully. As an American, I honestly feel shame for the things that we've resorted too, I find it harder & harder to say "Proud to be an American" because in a sense, what it meant to be proud of America, no longer exists. Why don't I leave you may ask? Trust me, if I could, I would have left a long time ago.
Do I think it's ok if they were to be waterboarding American soldiers? No...Absolutely not. Do I think they have done things that have been atrocities? Yes, I believe they have, and I think justice should be brought upon them.
Again, this is my last post in this thread because you can't have a reasonable conversation with those that are blinded by fear, so redicule my statement if you like, justify your position if you want, but always remember, there is no justification, no matter how high & mighty it may be, to torture another human being. It is inhumane, it is immoral, and simply, it is a war crime...and in the end, the one thing that should matter , it is just wrong to do.
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LucieLynn: He's a REAL man
ahhh, i guess my views on this are mixed, BUT, one thing for sure people need to move on and stop blaming Bush, for all the problems , and that includes current president, and personally i think he should look closer at home, perhaps mirror is a good start, cause,...i don't think he's quite the Messiah people wanted him to be.....
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Oh and let's all check the Bush's idea of family values. Didn't see his latest interview, but was told he mentions having his mother show him an aborted fetus and tell him it would have been a big brother or sister if it hadn't been aborted.
Perfect illustration of Republican mind set. We should all tolerate having our morality dictated from on high...but as long as you're rich you may behave as you see fit and then buy your way out of trouble.
Perfect illustration of Republican mind set. We should all tolerate having our morality dictated from on high...but as long as you're rich you may behave as you see fit and then buy your way out of trouble.
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LucieLynn: Please do us a favor. DO NOT ENLIST in the military.
I don't want you helping our enemies.
I don't want you helping our enemies.
Sorry, I served in the military, and I served with distiction. DO NOT EVER INSULT THAT SERVICE...I have seen things that would have most put in a coma of fear. YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to talk about things, you have no idea about.
You sit behind your monitor, and spout your hate when you have no idea what is going on over there. I have held the wives of men who have died, so don't EVER act as if you know me or anything about me, or pretend you have an idea what a soldier knows or feels...I have had a widow with her head on my shoulder because the only way she could greet her returned hero was with with him in a coffin.
Must be nice to sit there at the keyboard thinking you know who you're talking to and what they've seen and done in life.
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Denofearth69: Oh and let's all check the Bush's idea of family values. Didn't see his latest interview, but was told he mentions having his mother show him an aborted fetus and tell him it would have been a big brother or sister if it hadn't been aborted.
Perfect illustration of Republican mind set. We should all tolerate having our morality dictated from on high...but as long as you're rich you may behave as you see fit and then buy your way out of trouble.
Perfect illustration of Republican mind set. We should all tolerate having our morality dictated from on high...but as long as you're rich you may behave as you see fit and then buy your way out of trouble.
Close-minded response, and im from an observers point of view, morality dictated, from high...i think thats more the current president..lol
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Denofearth69: Oh and let's all check the Bush's idea of family values. Didn't see his latest interview, but was told he mentions having his mother show him an aborted fetus and tell him it would have been a big brother or sister if it hadn't been aborted.
Perfect illustration of Republican mind set. We should all tolerate having our morality dictated from on high...but as long as you're rich you may behave as you see fit and then buy your way out of trouble.
Perfect illustration of Republican mind set. We should all tolerate having our morality dictated from on high...but as long as you're rich you may behave as you see fit and then buy your way out of trouble.
By chance, are you Danish?
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LucieLynn: You just quoted Bush SENIOR - the dad.
We are talking about George Walker Bush - the son.
He's a little different - has more Texas in him.
We are talking about George Walker Bush - the son.
He's a little different - has more Texas in him.
And the fruit doesn't fall far from the tree?
However... there is a point that this discussion? degraded from the OP.
“The only fool bigger than the person who knows it all is the person who argues with him” ~Stanislaw Jerzy Lec, writer, poet and satirist
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skippyguy: Close-minded response, and im from an observers point of view, morality dictated, from high...i think thats more the current president..lol
Don't ya just love open minded people. They're mind is open, but they've got a bucket over their head.
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JSuburbia: Sorry, I served in the military, and I served with distiction. DO NOT EVER INSULT THAT SERVICE...I have seen things that would have most put in a coma of fear. YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to talk about things, you have no idea about.
You sit behind your monitor, and spout your hate when you have no idea what is going on over there. I have held the wives of men who have died, so don't EVER act as if you know me or anything about me, or pretend you have an idea what a soldier knows or feels...I have had a widow with her head on my shoulder because the only way she could greet her returned hero was with with him in a coffin.
Must be nice to sit there at the keyboard thinking you know who you're talking to and what they've seen and done in life.
You sit behind your monitor, and spout your hate when you have no idea what is going on over there. I have held the wives of men who have died, so don't EVER act as if you know me or anything about me, or pretend you have an idea what a soldier knows or feels...I have had a widow with her head on my shoulder because the only way she could greet her returned hero was with with him in a coffin.
Must be nice to sit there at the keyboard thinking you know who you're talking to and what they've seen and done in life.
I served as well.
We have different views on how to defend.
We've all lost people in this war, including my family.
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JSuburbia: This is going to be my last post in this thread, because it's amazing how blinded by fear that some have become.
Nowhere does it say in the constitution that the president has the right to take a man from his home, imprison them at secret locations, and then torture them.
It does say however, that no man shall be denied of life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness without due process...
In this country, due process, is not constituted as whatever the president says in the name of national security. It is really pathetic, to see Americans, allow their government to do atrocious acts of horror not in the name of national security, but in the name of fear. We are so afraid of the boogieman after September 11, 2001, that we have given the government blank checks after blank checks, to do whatever they feel is necessary in the name of national security. We have even gone so far as to allow them to modify our rights given to us under the Bill of Rights (Patriot Act). We have forgotten about the morality that this country once stood for in the world, and replaced it with the mentality of that of the neighborhood bully. As an American, I honestly feel shame for the things that we've resorted too, I find it harder & harder to say "Proud to be an American" because in a sense, what it meant to be proud of America, no longer exists. Why don't I leave you may ask? Trust me, if I could, I would have left a long time ago.
Do I think it's ok if they were to be waterboarding American soldiers? No...Absolutely not. Do I think they have done things that have been atrocities? Yes, I believe they have, and I think justice should be brought upon them.
Again, this is my last post in this thread because you can't have a reasonable conversation with those that are blinded by fear, so redicule my statement if you like, justify your position if you want, but always remember, there is no justification, no matter how high & mighty it may be, to torture another human being. It is inhumane, it is immoral, and simply, it is a war crime...and in the end, the one thing that should matter , it is just wrong to do.
Nowhere does it say in the constitution that the president has the right to take a man from his home, imprison them at secret locations, and then torture them.
It does say however, that no man shall be denied of life, liberty & the pursuit of happiness without due process...
In this country, due process, is not constituted as whatever the president says in the name of national security. It is really pathetic, to see Americans, allow their government to do atrocious acts of horror not in the name of national security, but in the name of fear. We are so afraid of the boogieman after September 11, 2001, that we have given the government blank checks after blank checks, to do whatever they feel is necessary in the name of national security. We have even gone so far as to allow them to modify our rights given to us under the Bill of Rights (Patriot Act). We have forgotten about the morality that this country once stood for in the world, and replaced it with the mentality of that of the neighborhood bully. As an American, I honestly feel shame for the things that we've resorted too, I find it harder & harder to say "Proud to be an American" because in a sense, what it meant to be proud of America, no longer exists. Why don't I leave you may ask? Trust me, if I could, I would have left a long time ago.
Do I think it's ok if they were to be waterboarding American soldiers? No...Absolutely not. Do I think they have done things that have been atrocities? Yes, I believe they have, and I think justice should be brought upon them.
Again, this is my last post in this thread because you can't have a reasonable conversation with those that are blinded by fear, so redicule my statement if you like, justify your position if you want, but always remember, there is no justification, no matter how high & mighty it may be, to torture another human being. It is inhumane, it is immoral, and simply, it is a war crime...and in the end, the one thing that should matter , it is just wrong to do.
It started out as a reasonable discussion
"From what I've experienced and now see as truth, I simply no longer believe the controlling fairy tales, lies and deception of religion, corporations, politics or government." ~Bohemianjack, on controlling dogma
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LucieLynn: I served as well.
We have different views on how to defend.
We've all lost people in this war, including my family.
We have different views on how to defend.
We've all lost people in this war, including my family.
Well, I find it hard to believe that you served, because the one core value they teach is RESPECT, and sorry, but you seem to have none..
G'day, I'm done with you.
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As I swore to protect our great nation from even domestic threats I'd sometimes like to give them a few rounds of lead too, but the law of the land says not to.....so I'm bound.