The EU is coming to get YOU! (95)

Nov 23, 2010 1:26 PM CST The EU is coming to get YOU!
smoky
smokysmokyUnterland, Zurich Switzerland266 Threads 6 Polls 9,412 Posts
ooohh typo! Not "foof" producers ......hahaaaa FOOD producers.drinking
Nov 23, 2010 1:30 PM CST The EU is coming to get YOU!
mariola
mariolamariolajalon, Valencia Spain25 Threads 1 Polls 1,135 Posts
smoky: Well, Wordy, I always respect your views, but in this case I differ.

People have been smoking ever since fire was invented.

What is causing cancer is not smoking - but what is in the FOOD...and in the AIR ......

Cancer, like smoking, as ALWAYS been around. We ALL have cancerous cells in our bodies. But our bodies shed them .. with healthy nutrition.
The key word is NUTRITION.

What we eat is SO false, and chemical-ised. The cancer just gets out of control.

There are other worse forms of death available, but not nearly as revenue inducing as cancer?

And .. cancer treatments are ONLY given to folk who own property.
If you have nothing, you get NO treatment.

So .. tell me WHERE cancer is "costing" governments?

I have never seen any inducements for foof producers to NOT add stuff like Monosodiumglutomates to their foods..? ... Or Steroids to animals for food? .. or restrict laboratories from supplying artificial colourants and flavourants to foods? ALL of which cause dire ill health and death.


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Nov 23, 2010 1:40 PM CST The EU is coming to get YOU!
smoky
smokysmokyUnterland, Zurich Switzerland266 Threads 6 Polls 9,412 Posts
Danke Schön Mariola ... at least SOMEBODY agrees with me.

There is a person in America who is trying - TRYING - to get health authorities interested in GUARANTEED CHEAP CURES FOR CANCER ... easy and cheap and available ... but .... No-one is interested!

Nah .... no-one is interested. The only interest is in off-loading the excesses of mustard gas, left over from the wars, in the form of chemo treatments .... feeding it to sick people .. and making them PAY for it, with every last cent they possess ... and then they die and leave their families destitute.

And the blame is put on Cancer - when it is the chemicals that do the killing. Chemicals, in the first place, put in their food, and then later fed to them to kill the rampant deviant growth of abnormal cells.

Just money making... out of misery.

And they try to blame it on SMOKING.

Every single race and culture has had their recreational drugs - for a way to unwind from their stress of daily living ... whether hunting Mammoths, or driving in rush-hour traffic.

So, the recreational drugs are forbidden, and now the last innocent refuge of those with the need, is being blamed for something not of their causing.

BUT .. it is OKAY to make ... and then to bury toxic waste, because only in 1,000 years will it become a problem - but who cares what future generations will have to do about it?
Nov 23, 2010 2:25 PM CST The EU is coming to get YOU!
kidatheart
kidatheartkidatheartFruitvale, British Columbia Canada30 Threads 16,544 Posts
I agree with you Smoky, cancer is a BIG BUSINESS, even here. sigh

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Nov 23, 2010 4:09 PM CST The EU is coming to get YOU!
nicosiagal
nicosiagalnicosiagalNicosia, Cyprus2 Posts
Smoky, you need to start a movement of some kind. Get legislators, lawyers, politicians who care (an oxymoron, I know...), media people and people in general and stir things up a bit.

If you do, you can count me in to rally for your movement here...

Wish Iknew how to put a red "X" on top of this emoticon eu !!!
Nov 23, 2010 4:39 PM CST The EU is coming to get YOU!
smoky
smokysmokyUnterland, Zurich Switzerland266 Threads 6 Polls 9,412 Posts
Ah, there is a person, trying to do just that, in America. She survived cancer .... doing it the Intelligent way, on her own.

She spends her days, communicating with doctors, medical professors, universities, the media, doing talk shows on radio, sending out questionaires to lobby the World Health Organisation, doing the rounds of public speaking to auditoriums of interested people........

.....But ..... in the end it is the Pharmaceutical companies who have the SAY over what we eat and how we treat our pain.....
And believe me .. there ARE cures for cancer ..... you only need to know WHAT ... and use your kitchen equipment. AND have the interest and dedication to actually DO it.

As a matter of interest, to those interested ...... there is also a movement, by the Pharmaceutical companies, to begin to restrict ALL natural products with ANY healing capabilities ...... They actually want to "ban" a well-known healing plant ... commonly known as Comfrey, the old fashioned name was "Knit-Bone",officially known as "Sympathetica Officianalis" ...... well known for restoring/encouraging healthy cell growth .... (Sympathetic to ALL physical ailments).

Hahaaaaa.... how the hell they gonna do THAT is beyond me!..this plant, once it is growing, is impossible to get rid of!...it sends it roots down about 2m and grows again from the smallest little piece of root left in the soil..hahaaaaa... I`m still trying to get it out of the lawn where there used to be a vegetable bed........

It makes a snail proof barrier around where its planted -hence why I did that!
Nov 23, 2010 4:41 PM CST The EU is coming to get YOU!
smoky
smokysmokyUnterland, Zurich Switzerland266 Threads 6 Polls 9,412 Posts
kidatheart: I agree with you Smoky, cancer is a BIG BUSINESS, even here.
Hoi Kid! Ja ...as long as you got money in the bank, or insurances to cash, or a house to sell ...... anyone can get made sicker than the cancer can make them!
Nov 23, 2010 5:18 PM CST The EU is coming to get YOU!
Tulefel
TulefelTulefelGöteborg, Vastra Gotaland Sweden24 Threads 1 Polls 2,848 Posts
smoky: Hoi Kid! Ja ...as long as you got money in the bank, or insurances to cash, or a house to sell ...... anyone can get made sicker than the cancer can make them!


Is it in Switzerland? Sounds atrocious…

One of my acquaintances got breast cancer this summer, has been operated and now goes through treatment. But she didn’t have to sell anything, she pays usual fee. A visit costs different depending on what it’s about – you need to see a nurse it’d be 60 SEK, your GP – 120 SEK, some specialist’d cost up to 300 SEK. When you’ve paid 900 SEK you get a free health care for the next few months. Hospitalization costs 70 SEK per day. (My work pays 70 % of the costs for hosp and prescribed drugs – lucky me!laugh ) Most people can afford that much.

I’m glad that Sweden has different view on health care, and I’m also glad that government regulates that issue.
Nov 24, 2010 2:51 AM CST The EU is coming to get YOU!
Tulefel: Is it in Switzerland? Sounds atrocious…

One of my acquaintances got breast cancer this summer, has been operated and now goes through treatment. But she didn’t have to sell anything, she pays usual fee. A visit costs different depending on what it’s about – you need to see a nurse it’d be 60 SEK, your GP – 120 SEK, some specialist’d cost up to 300 SEK. When you’ve paid 900 SEK you get a free health care for the next few months. Hospitalization costs 70 SEK per day. (My work pays 70 % of the costs for hosp and prescribed drugs – lucky me! ) Most people can afford that much.

I’m glad that Sweden has different view on health care, and I’m also glad that government regulates that issue.
Nope,we have better Healthcare than that!
Nov 24, 2010 4:57 AM CST The EU is coming to get YOU!
Storway
StorwayStorwayHønefoss, Buskerud Norway2 Posts
I get really angry of these stupid regulations...You have your right to choose your brand freely if you are adult...
Nov 24, 2010 3:44 PM CST The EU is coming to get YOU!
smoky
smokysmokyUnterland, Zurich Switzerland266 Threads 6 Polls 9,412 Posts
Ja, as Conrad says .. Switzerland is not like that ..... according to MY knowledge.

I am talking generally, mainly Non-Euro countries, relying on American pharmaceuticals for their drugs.

Talking about breast cancer .... has anyone here heard even a squeek about the dangers of the powdered stone used used in spray-on Anti-Perspirant Deoderants?.....

A Naturalist practitioner experimented with this stone powder, and after one week his armpit glands were swollen and the skin inflamed..... his diagnosis was that this particular stone dust is absorbed into the glands ...... and ... well ... you can guess the rest...... men are also susceptible to "breast cancers"..... but ..... anti-perspirant deoderants sell millions a week.
Nov 24, 2010 3:46 PM CST The EU is coming to get YOU!
smoky
smokysmokyUnterland, Zurich Switzerland266 Threads 6 Polls 9,412 Posts
Yes. I agree.

Makers of regulations .. used to be mere representatives of the people of their countries....

Now .. they sit and make Laws about what we can or cannot do.

Is anyone consulted before these guys proclaim these laws of theirs?
Nov 24, 2010 5:23 PM CST The EU is coming to get YOU!
Chrisys
ChrisysChrisysCascais, Lisbon Portugal2 Threads 102 Posts
‘Increasingly, environmental non-government organisations,
(NGOs) around the world, with the complicity of some governments, are embedding themselves in policy and regulatory frameworks in which they have commercial interests, and they do so with no mandate from the people and with no accountability.



The problem that we have today is that the un-elected NGO Groups have so much influence upon the Politicians, (both EU and National) that they are able to influence Legislation without ever being elected. Today WWF has a turnover of $400 Million,is a major investor in some Banks and finacial Institutions which them invest in environmentally destructive companies, whereas these groups were badly needed ,especially within the environmental conservation battle of the 60s/70s/80s and 90s, they have now gone down the political route. Many countries have expelled the larger NGOs, (known as Bingos-big Internationsal NGOs) for political interference.
How does this relate to the smoking ban in pubs and restaurants?, it was simple, the anti.smoking lobby groups got together with a raft of NGOs and threatened MPs with mass lobbying etc, it worked so well that they brought it into the EU MPs and got it passed there too. since smoking is quite legal and the taxes taken are very substantial, how is it that a blanket ban on smoking Inside a pub or restaurant can be banned?, surely the owner is entitled to decide what his clients want?, if the staff are dying from secondhand smoke, (the biggest con of all) then employ smokers!, if the owner wants an entirely no smoking pub or restaurant then ,great, gives everyone a choice, however with the NGOs it is not a matter of reality or democratic choice, it is a matter of what these highly life experienced 20 year olds want to happen and they dont want to wait around for any democratic process.
Nov 24, 2010 5:30 PM CST The EU is coming to get YOU!
Tulefel
TulefelTulefelGöteborg, Vastra Gotaland Sweden24 Threads 1 Polls 2,848 Posts
smoky: Yes. I agree.

Makers of regulations .. used to be mere representatives of the people of their countries....

Now .. they sit and make Laws about what we can or cannot do.

Is anyone consulted before these guys proclaim these laws of theirs?


These spring/summer I worked in a team evaluating results of vaccination against flu, and among other things collected background information, socio-eco variables as income, education, COPD rate etc. A brief look through those data gives impression that there’s a direct association between poverty, low education and smoking.

Remembering that I’ve checked some data on smoking rates across EU, number are not that fresh I’m afraid, but those things (income, education etc.) don’t change over a night, so I regard this map as a good approximation of what majority is in terms of smoking. And for Switzerland the smoking “majority” is between 15 and 27 %. Or isn’t it a majority after all and restrictions against smoking do indeed represent a wish of, at least, 2/3 of adult population?

Nov 25, 2010 6:49 AM CST The EU is coming to get YOU!
smoky
smokysmokyUnterland, Zurich Switzerland266 Threads 6 Polls 9,412 Posts
Chrisys: ‘Increasingly, environmental non-government organisations,
(NGOs) around the world, with the complicity of some governments, are embedding themselves in policy and regulatory frameworks in which they have commercial interests, and they do so with no mandate from the people and with no accountability.The problem that we have today is that the un-elected NGO Groups have so much influence upon the Politicians, (both EU and National) that they are able to influence Legislation without ever being elected. Today WWF has a turnover of $400 Million,is a major investor in some Banks and finacial Institutions which them invest in environmentally destructive companies, whereas these groups were badly needed ,especially within the environmental conservation battle of the 60s/70s/80s and 90s, they have now gone down the political route. Many countries have expelled the larger NGOs, (known as Bingos-big Internationsal NGOs) for political interference.
How does this relate to the smoking ban in pubs and restaurants?, it was simple, the anti.smoking lobby groups got together with a raft of NGOs and threatened MPs with mass lobbying etc, it worked so well that they brought it into the EU MPs and got it passed there too. since smoking is quite legal and the taxes taken are very substantial, how is it that a blanket ban on smoking Inside a pub or restaurant can be banned?, surely the owner is entitled to decide what his clients want?, if the staff are dying from secondhand smoke, (the biggest con of all) then employ smokers!, if the owner wants an entirely no smoking pub or restaurant then ,great, gives everyone a choice, however with the NGOs it is not a matter of reality or democratic choice, it is a matter of what these highly life experienced 20 year olds want to happen and they dont want to wait around for any democratic process.
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Excellent post Chrisys.

THAT is what be-fuddles the brain here ..... that something that is perfectly legal, in growing and selling and using, can be banned from certain businesses who`s livelihood consists of catering to these very same people.

My wish is that ...... all the restaurant owners whose businesses have been destroyed ... all sit at home and enjoy Social Help. Let the tax money, from the tobacco industry, pay their stippends.

There is absolutely nothing preventing non-smokers from having their own smoke-free restaurants, but at least let us have some options about how we choose to spend our leisure time.
Nov 25, 2010 6:53 AM CST The EU is coming to get YOU!
smoky
smokysmokyUnterland, Zurich Switzerland266 Threads 6 Polls 9,412 Posts
Tulefel: These spring/summer I worked in a team evaluating results of vaccination against flu, and among other things collected background information, socio-eco variables as income, education, COPD rate etc. A brief look through those data gives impression that there’s a direct association between poverty, low education and smoking.

Remembering that I’ve checked some data on smoking rates across EU, number are not that fresh I’m afraid, but those things (income, education etc.) don’t change over a night, so I regard this map as a good approximation of what majority is in terms of smoking. And for Switzerland the smoking “majority” is between 15 and 27 %. Or isn’t it a majority after all and restrictions against smoking do indeed represent a wish of, at least, 2/3 of adult population?

Your figures are 6 years out of date.
Nov 25, 2010 9:03 AM CST The EU is coming to get YOU!
Tulefel
TulefelTulefelGöteborg, Vastra Gotaland Sweden24 Threads 1 Polls 2,848 Posts
smoky: Your figures are 6 years out of date.


Yes, I’ve noticed that and even mentioned it in my post. Do you mean there are more smokers nowadays in Switzerland that it was 6 years ago? Perhaps there are, perhaps they are in majority now. Then it’s only a matter of time for a majority to get what they want, given democracy.

But what I’ve understand from the opening post is that authority of Switzerland reduced possibilities for advertizing of tobacco products. What are they reasons for that? Would be interesting to know their argumentation.
Nov 25, 2010 9:33 AM CST The EU is coming to get YOU!
smoky
smokysmokyUnterland, Zurich Switzerland266 Threads 6 Polls 9,412 Posts
Tulefel: Yes, I’ve noticed that and even mentioned it in my post. Do you mean there are more smokers nowadays in Switzerland that it was 6 years ago? Perhaps there are, perhaps they are in majority now. Then it’s only a matter of time for a majority to get what they want, given democracy.

But what I’ve understand from the opening post is that authority of Switzerland reduced possibilities for advertizing of tobacco products. What are they reasons for that? Would be interesting to know their argumentation.
Red quote .... that is the entire point and object of this thread ... Democracy is under question.

Anyway, I only noted that you posted an out of date statistic, tis not my forté to know statistics, I only note what I see.

The opening post was referring to a shop in Germany, which is part of the EU, and to inform those who do not know, about what is in the near future, irrespective of what view they support. Ignorance and apathy of politics is the forerunner of chaos, and decisions made on their behalf, irrespective of the wishes of the public, which is opposite to what a Democracy is supposed to mean.

No point in mentioning what happens in countries outside of the EU ......Switzerland is an independent country.
Nov 25, 2010 10:07 AM CST The EU is coming to get YOU!
Chrisys
ChrisysChrisysCascais, Lisbon Portugal2 Threads 102 Posts
smoky: Excellent post Chrisys.

THAT is what be-fuddles the brain here ..... that something that is perfectly legal, in growing and selling and using, can be banned from certain businesses who`s livelihood consists of catering to these very same people.

My wish is that ...... all the restaurant owners whose businesses have been destroyed ... all sit at home and enjoy Social Help. Let the tax money, from the tobacco industry, pay their stippends.

There is absolutely nothing preventing non-smokers from having their own smoke-free restaurants, but at least let us have some options about how we choose to spend our leisure time.


Many thanks for that, I have been in the Environmental Industry for 15 years, the company that I work for is probably the worlds leading developer of environmental standards,we have worked on standards for, organic agriculture, timber, fishing, Climate Change, Carbon,etc,etc, of course globally, this business is riven with NGOs, normally very important and dedicated people who have done an enormous amount of good in bringing environmental conservation to the forefront of the consumers mind, it has been a pleasure and privilidge to work with them over the years, however, the NGO movement has been taken over by the radicals using the power of the NGO to carry out what I say in my previous post.

Probably the worst offender is WWF, one instance, WWF held a league table review of The Most Responsible, (in terms of environmental & Social sensitivity) Bank, HSBC "donates" $50 million to WWF and guess what?, all of a sudden HSBC is the most ,caring,sharing environmentally friendly bank in the world.

There is a well known US based chemical company that produced the Agent Orange that American Troops used to destroy the jungle foliage cover during the Vietnam war,despite the knowledge that it caused cancer and other serious illness in the North Vietnamese population, after the war, they had so much of it left and all paid for by the American Government that they sold it to the poor countries as herbicide, especially the fruit growing regions of South Africa, very soon the incidence of ADD in children became epidemic, the fruit exported to Europe was full of it and lo and behold up went the incidence of ADD. so do you think this chemical company stopped selling?, no they then invented Rittilin, which controls the affects of ADD, so, you sell a damaging chemical and then you sell the answer!. did the EU or anyone ban this or do anything?, no. because as a very major American corporate with huge investments in Europe, the EU could not dare to upset them.
A considerable amount of the wheat grown in the vast Mid West of America, is grown for the World Food Programme, paid for by the American tax payer, on a visit there to a farm I joked with the Farmers Wife, "that she didnt have far to go for the bread", the Farm is in the middle of thousands of acres of wheat. Her response was stunning!, "oh no" said she, "this is for the Africans, it is so toxic that we are not allowed to use it, we go 20 miles to the Wal-Mart store for our bread".
While being a tad off subject, perhaps the above brings a perspective to the amount of nonsense and plain BS that Politicians do little about except to worry about banning smoking, it is just a amazing!
Nov 25, 2010 12:24 PM CST The EU is coming to get YOU!
smoky
smokysmokyUnterland, Zurich Switzerland266 Threads 6 Polls 9,412 Posts
Chrisys: Many thanks for that, I have been in the Environmental Industry for 15 years, the company that I work for is probably the worlds leading developer of environmental standards,we have worked on standards for, organic agriculture, timber, fishing, Climate Change, Carbon,etc,etc, of course globally, this business is riven with NGOs, normally very important and dedicated people who have done an enormous amount of good in bringing environmental conservation to the forefront of the consumers mind, it has been a pleasure and privilidge to work with them over the years, however, the NGO movement has been taken over by the radicals using the power of the NGO to carry out what I say in my previous post.

Probably the worst offender is WWF, one instance, WWF held a league table review of The Most Responsible, (in terms of environmental & Social sensitivity) Bank, HSBC "donates" $50 million to WWF and guess what?, all of a sudden HSBC is the most ,caring,sharing environmentally friendly bank in the world.

There is a well known US based chemical company that produced the Agent Orange that American Troops used to destroy the jungle foliage cover during the Vietnam war,despite the knowledge that it caused cancer and other serious illness in the North Vietnamese population, after the war, they had so much of it left and all paid for by the American Government that they sold it to the poor countries as herbicide, especially the fruit growing regions of South Africa, very soon the incidence of ADD in children became epidemic, the fruit exported to Europe was full of it and lo and behold up went the incidence of ADD. so do you think this chemical company stopped selling?, no they then invented Rittilin, which controls the affects of ADD, so, you sell a damaging chemical and then you sell the answer!. did the EU or anyone ban this or do anything?, no. because as a very major American corporate with huge investments in Europe, the EU could not dare to upset them.
A considerable amount of the wheat grown in the vast Mid West of America, is grown for the World Food Programme, paid for by the American tax payer, on a visit there to a farm I joked with the Farmers Wife, "that she didnt have far to go for the bread", the Farm is in the middle of thousands of acres of wheat. Her response was stunning!, "oh no" said she, "this is for the Africans, it is so toxic that we are not allowed to use it, we go 20 miles to the Wal-Mart store for our bread".
While being a tad off subject, perhaps the above brings a perspective to the amount of nonsense and plain BS that Politicians do little about except to worry about banning smoking, it is just a amazing!
You want to know something? THIS site has FAR MORE intelligent folk on it than all the Head-Hunted Elite in Switzerland!

Wow, that information is amazing! I knew all this, but not the details you so explicitely explain.

Ja .... wheat from America is POISONOUS.... it HAS to be cooked to dissipate some of the toxins, but the remaining toxins cause.....the great pain in so many .... ACHES IN THE FEET. And so, people go to doctors ... who opererate on their spines .....doh
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