.............CONVERTING,-IN THE NAME OF FAITH?........ ( Archived) (216)

here is the surah 9:5

it is all about interpretation, or rather misinterpretation, just as has been done to the bible by the different christian sects
topics such as convert or die, killing of infidels, women and islam etc are often misused to create fear

that leather

too true

let us not forget that muslims have been subjected to much violence and genocide aswell




The first Holocaust against Muslims was carried out by the crusaders. On Friday, July 15, 1099 the crusaders captured Jerusalem and murdered thousands of Muslims. More than 70, 000 dead bodies of Muslim children and women were found in the Mosque of Omar in Jerusalem alone.

There have been several other Holocausts and genocides of Muslims;

Ganges Khan and his forces killed more than a million Muslims during the occupation of Iraq and neighboring areas.

Thousands of Muslims were killed / forced to change religion by Spanish Crusaders in South America

More than a million Muslims were killed / displaced by Spanish and other European extremists during the rebellion against the Ottoman Empire.

More than 3 million Muslims were killed / displaced by the European colonial powers during and after the occupation of Muslim countries after World War I and II.

More than 5 million Muslims were killed / displaced by Tsars of Russia

More than a million Muslims were killed / displaced by Communist Government of Russia

More than 1.5 million Muslims have been killed in China, Cambodia, Vietnam, and other Far East countries since the world war II

More than half million Muslims have been killed / displaced in Burma since World War II

More than half million Muslims have been killed in India and Kashmir since 1947

More than half million Muslims were killed by Serbs and Croats in Bosnia during early 90s.

More than 100,000 Muslims were killed in Kosovo and Albania during mid 90s.

More than 5 million Muslims have been killed / displaced in Palestine since 1948

More than 5 million Muslims were killed / displaced by the Russian occupation of Afghanistan

Thousands of Muslims have been killed by the secular governments in Muslim countries, backed by the Western Governments, since the independence from the colonial powers.

One million Muslim children died due to malnutrition during UN/US embargo on Iraq in 1990s.

Currently, hundreds of innocent civilians have been killed by the American forces in Iraq and Afghanistan


all religions have brutalistic attributes

Assuming that your statistics are accurate, and there's very little doubt that they are, considering the history of propaganda in the region (e.g., Egypt falsely declaring victory in the first day of the Six-Day war with Israel, etc.), I can't let you get away with saying that without pointing out that Sadam Hussain gained weight as those alleged million children allegedly starved, so you can't blame the UN/US embargo. Blame must be placed on the former Iraqi government having little for value the lives of its people. Blame must be placed in the right place on a lot of your other attempts to demonize, too. I somewhat doubt the statistics, as most Muslim deaths throughout history have been at the hands of other Muslims.

Yes, yes... we all know about the Crusades. How long ago was that? I surely wasn't alive, and neither were you, so it's just a history lesson and shouldn't be viewed as a motivation for anything. Nobody living today suffered from the Crusades.



Khan killed his own brother, too, so he wasn't just picking on Muslims. The inclusion of this statistic is pointless. Khan killed everyone.



Ok, are you just making things up? There were no Muslims in South America back then as far as anyone else on earth has recorded history. The Spanish would have kept records of anything like that, too. The native people of South America didn't tell any tales of anyone Islamic ever being there before the men from Spain. Whoever created that history for you is selling you a fiction.

1.ok, so put embargo's in place so that the iraqi people suffer greatly, and they will oust their leader, so we can protect our oil supplies. makes much sense to me, to allow suffering of the citizens, to punish the regime..Estimates of civilian deaths during from the sanctions range from 100,000 to over 1.5 million, most of them children

American war policy architect Douglas J. Feith has argued that the sanctions diminished Iraq militarily, in terms of WMDs, and in its capacity for attacks against its neighbors as its supply lines were cut. In a 2004 Foreign Affairs journal article, the scholars George A. Lopez and David Cortright credit sanctions with: "Compelling Iraq to accept inspections and monitoring; winning concessions from Baghdad on political issue such as the border dispute with Kuwait; preventing the rebuilding of Iraqi defenses after the Persian Gulf War; and blocking the import of vital materials and technologies for producing weapons of mass destruction." Cortright and Lopez argue that "the much-maligned UN-enforced sanctions regime actually ... helped destroy Saddam Hussein's war machine and his capacity to produce weapons." Hussein told his FBI interrogator that Iraq's armaments "had been eliminated by the UN sanctions"

2. i refer to the crusades, due to their being a significant amount of fingerpointing, about which religion is more brutal. but then again, why refer to it, its not valid in the debate, when the core of the debate has been so far, how barbarianistic are some muslims. what i am pointing to here, is the hypocrisy of that thought. all religions have blood on their hands

3. they came with the spaniards, not before, but were nonetheless victims of genocide

Without religion you would have good men doing good things and bad men doing bad things. But for good men to do bad things, that takes religion.

well said