In terms of various benefits - financial and non-financial - is it worth going through the difficult process of getting a PhD? A question that most PhD students struggle with. Interested to hear your opinions.
larsvegas: In terms of various benefits - financial and non-financial - is it worth going through the difficult process of getting a PhD? A question that most PhD students struggle with. Interested to hear your opinions.
If it is for the monetary benifits after you qualify, then no.
I know several people who have doctorates, even world experts in their subject, who only ended up lecturing, (full of daily stress, and getting increasingly frustrated by the ignorance of their students' unwillingness to learn anything), and getting a pittance for it.
If it is only self-satisfaction you want, then go for it, by all means, just don't expect respect, praise, or a fortune.
GingerBe: If it is for the monetary benifits after you qualify, then no.
I know several people who have doctorates, even world experts in their subject, who only ended up lecturing, (full of daily stress, and getting increasingly frustrated by the ignorance of their students' unwillingness to learn anything), and getting a pittance for it.
If it is only self-satisfaction you want, then go for it, by all means, just don't expect respect, praise, or a fortune.
cristinaLisbon, North Holland Netherlands17,243 posts
It is always worth the while to be specialized in something on a higher level, Halloooo? PHD though is more adequate for those who want to become Professors or something of that nature. More, think that it's a kind of a natural feeling after doing it. You've dug so much, you feel you know more than enough in a way that you think it's important to pass the message. If not, invites will tend to arise on that direction. University students respect PHDs more.
larsvegas: Now that's what I call a motivational speech!!
But I know what you mean. :)
Diplomacy, or sweet lies, was never my thing.
You might have found out on here, that I tend to tell it like it is, when possible. Not pretty, but honest.
I don't think students respect you no matter what you lecture on these days, so no point in wasting all that time and money on something that will not give you the satisfaction you are looking for. If you want to write books, then go for it.
GingerBe: Diplomacy, or sweet lies, was never my thing.
You might have found out on here, that I tend to tell it like it is, when possible. Not pretty, but honest.
I don't think students respect you no matter what you lecture on these days, so no point in wasting all that time and money on something that will not give you the satisfaction you are looking for. If you want to write books, then go for it.
PHd is more an academic thing suitable to make more money and position at school (Gingerbe said that before) As for the industry, it does not make much sense unless you use your cutting-edge knowledge acquired during your phd research to innovate new lines of application or build new theoretical approaches with practical impact. My work, as an example, is on elaborating computational algorithms to predict events after a pre-determined perturbation of stock markets and others. I have abandoned the academic world as such, so it gives me more freedom from the big arrogant bosses patronising and feeling jealous about other´s achievements. It was Stephen Wolfram (the founder of Mathematica) one of the first Phds who left the rigid limits of the academia and founded a big company. Either inside or outside the academia, if you enjoy the studies and the intellectual pleasure, do the phd. Unless you can get a bureaocratic higher position with that (which is ridiculous to happen in the first place) then do it too.
TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 Posts
TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 posts
larsvegas: In terms of various benefits - financial and non-financial - is it worth going through the difficult process of getting a PhD? A question that most PhD students struggle with. Interested to hear your opinions.
Would it be viable to have one in the field you're in? Is the economy going to facilitate applying it in the real world?
Some people like to collect qualifications like stamps, as a kind of badge of pride thing, but in my opinion if you don't apply what you learn and what you know it's useless to both you and everybody else.
If you have a real passion for a subject at a deep academic level and wish to work in a university or research environment then yes a PhD is a good option
If money is the motivation in you wish to work in a commercial environment then a Masters and good work experience the real world is better imo.
larsvegas: In terms of various benefits - financial and non-financial - is it worth going through the difficult process of getting a PhD? A question that most PhD students struggle with. Interested to hear your opinions.
I thought about it, but in my field, getting a PhD would only work to my disadvantage, financially and in terms of time spent. Because my field is constantly changing, there's really no practical benefit unless I wanted to teach at a Uni and needed it to qualify for a post. Still, even if I were to do it, the value to the students would come from practical experience. So I decided not to pursue it.
larsvegas: In terms of various benefits - financial and non-financial - is it worth going through the difficult process of getting a PhD? A question that most PhD students struggle with. Interested to hear your opinions.
if u want to teach at ubiversity as FT faculty appt, or applying for a fellowship, and / or manage funded proposals that require phD
otherwise not needed and would just be a matter of ur preference
I'd say it depends on the subject of the Phd but I'd be wary of becoming too focused in the current ecconomic climate.
If you are overqualified, employers would be concerned about the work load becoming tedious to you and at Phd level you really need to be specialised.
Secondly, they are not going to pay for doctorate level when a graduate will do.
So a Phd, to me, means a decision to commit to education as opposed to career so it's a sort of double edged sword when it comes to job satisfaction and security.
Now, I can't let another comment go here. If certain Phds have opted to lecture, then they have no right to whinge that their student's aren't smart enough or committed enough. It's down to the lecturer to enthuse the student on the subject.
If they're just going to throw a few acetates up on the overhead projector for an hour and collect their paycheck at the end of the week they deserve the absence of job satisfaction.
This is exactly what I was talking about when I mentioned the workload becoming tedious.
The purpose of education is to educate and if these lecturers are not committed to that goal, then they are in the wrong job. You have to teach the students at their own level and not from the top of the ivory tower or the dark corner of the santuary from life, that can be academia.
I think it is worth it if it is worth it to YOU. My sister got her phD and it means so much to her because she struggled horribly all through grade school with an undiagnosed learning disability. And being able to earn that honor, and go through that process proved to herself in a concrete forever way that she is intelligent and worthy. I;m not sure about the money part
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