Turning down a job that pays €28k per year (165)
Ken35: The problem is that the government can't afford existing rates of welfare as you know the country is bankrupt therefore it has to be cut, its quite black and white as far as I'm concerned, in order to balance the books you have to hit the areas of expenditure that are preventing the books been balanced.
so hit the ones that are already down???? and i take it from what your saying your are black and white??? :P
jimbo79: no i think a family with say four kids would bring in alot more than 28k pa
It certainly wouldn't pay me to go to work for €28k a year!!
Ken35: Instead FF decided in their briliiant wisdom to massively increase welfare benefits that could only happen because there was false property bubble which increased tax revenues significantly. The only thing that gombeen Bertie wanted to do was get votes at all costs and to hell with the long term consequences.
That was Fianna Fail, all things to all men! F.F (RIP)
Ken35: The article was referring to 2 people who turned down the job who have kids not single people with no dependents. Anyone In Dublin a single person in shared accomadtion with no children would nearly be better off not working than working.
The 2 people who turned down these job offers were non nationals who were working cash in hand and claiming social welfare, They were paying no income tax at all, any wonder why they refused the jobs
bubbles1234: so hit the ones that are already down???? and i take it from what your saying your are black and white??? :P
I ncase you don't realise it is basically the EU/IMF who say whether welfare goes down again, its a proven fact that if the welfare state is reformed in such a radical fashion it discourages long term unemployment.
It's true bubbles. I've been around this site long enough to know when someone is adopting an extreme position to get attention. He is a troll and we should just ignore him.
Ken35: I ncase you don't realise it is basically the EU/IMF who say whether welfare goes down again, its a proven fact that if the welfare state is reformed in such a radical fashion it discourages long term unemployment.
it is a well known fact Ken so why are you debating this when we have no voice anyway????
forestshaks: Ok, can u tell me which countries in europe got it right even the great usa failed??? Like i said any govt would have done the same thing....Show me one european country that got it right????
Germany introduced welfare reforms between 2002-05 known as Hartz IV reforms which encouraged the long term unemployed getting back to work, between 2004-08 the number of long term unemployed was reduced dramatically as a result.
Actually in the US welfare reform from 1996 onwards was very sucessful, the number of single parets who went out to work between 1996-2006 increased by 54% and privatised job agencies were very sucessful in getting the long term unemployed back to work.
forestshaks: Ok, can u tell me which countries in europe got it right even the great usa failed??? Like i said any govt would have done the same thing....Show me one european country that got it right????
Sorry I thought you were talking about the welfare state nit the financal crisis. No country in the Western world has been immune from the recession, I'm not that naive but the country that has been one of the least effected has been Australia which was fiscally conservative on public spending and had a well regulated banking sector. Yes Australia went into a mild recession but compared to other Western countries it was only mildly effected and was better prepared for the global recession when it happened in 2008.
Ken35: Sorry I thought you were talking about the welfare state nit the financal crisis. No country in the Western world has been immune from the recession, I'm not that naive but the country that has been one of the least effected has been Australia which was fiscally conservative on public spending and had a well regulated banking sector. Yes Australia went into a mild recession but compared to other Western countries it was only mildly effected and was better prepared for the global recession when it happened in 2008.
I forgot to say apart from the western hemisphere....
may i ask ken what do u work at if i was able to take a 28k job i wud
earleybird66: may i ask ken what do u work at if i was able to take a 28k job i wud
I work in fraud in finance in a senior management role.
Ken35: I work in fraud in finance in a senior management role.
well y is all da government officials gettin away wid fraud while da poor person paysearleybird66: well y is all da government officials gettin away wid fraud while da poor person pays
I don't work in the banking sector nor do I work for the odious central bank I can assure you.
Even if the banks had acted responsibly for the last 15 years there still would be a big problems with the public finances, then again if there hadn't been a private sector employment boom welfare rates wouldn't have increased massively as the government wouldn't have been able to massively increase welfare rates.
Ken35: I don't work in the banking sector nor do I work for the odious central bank I can assure you.
Even if the banks had acted responsibly for the last 15 years there still would be a big problems with the public finances, then again if there hadn't been a private sector employment boom welfare rates wouldn't have increased massively as the government wouldn't have been able to massively increase welfare rates.
easy knowin u have never been on welfare as an unmarried father of 4 children i only got 235 a week till 1st jan then it wasw cut to 195 my kids suffer cause of lack of moneyEven if the banks had acted responsibly for the last 15 years there still would be a big problems with the public finances, then again if there hadn't been a private sector employment boom welfare rates wouldn't have increased massively as the government wouldn't have been able to massively increase welfare rates.
earleybird66: easy knowin u have never been on welfare as an unmarried father of 4 children i only got 235 a week till 1st jan then it wasw cut to 195 my kids suffer cause of lack of money
I'm sorry to hear you lost your job, I never said it was easy been on welfare but current rates of welfare are completely unsustainable and will be determined by the IMF in the next few years. Also, do you think that if there hadn't been an employment boom from the late 90's onwards would welfare rates have increased so dramatically?
only thing increased was politician and bankers pay even now in a recession they get big bonuses and da poor suffer tell me vcud u live on 195 a week
Ken35: I'm sorry to hear you lost your job, I never said it was easy been on welfare but current rates of welfare are completely unsustainable and will be determined by the IMF in the next few years. Also, do you think that if there hadn't been an employment boom from the late 90's onwards would welfare rates have increased so dramatically?
having read this thread from the start
i keep getting the impression that you seem to have a problem with single parents, now maybe im wrong but not so sure i am
been a single parent i know how tough it is and no i dont get every hand out going and yes i have tried to get work as i have stated b4 i have applied for 100 jobs since september with no luck
not everything in life is black and white as you stated
and on the subject of social welfare been cut
if it bothers you so much why dont you and people like yourself who make 50k plus a year take a pay cut why because you dont want to put ur self on the same level as lower paid
you might feel like you have the moral high ground but dont preach to me until you have walked a few miles in my shoes and then be thank full for the life you have
anniebaby: having read this thread from the start
i keep getting the impression that you seem to have a problem with single parents, now maybe im wrong but not so sure i am
been a single parent i know how tough it is and no i dont get every hand out going and yes i have tried to get work as i have stated b4 i have applied for 100 jobs since september with no luck
not everything in life is black and white as you stated
and on the subject of social welfare been cut
if it bothers you so much why dont you and people like yourself who make 50k plus a year take a pay cut why because you dont want to put ur self on the same level as lower paid
you might feel like you have the moral high ground but dont preach to me until you have walked a few miles in my shoes and then be thank full for the life you have
at last a person who agreesi keep getting the impression that you seem to have a problem with single parents, now maybe im wrong but not so sure i am
been a single parent i know how tough it is and no i dont get every hand out going and yes i have tried to get work as i have stated b4 i have applied for 100 jobs since september with no luck
not everything in life is black and white as you stated
and on the subject of social welfare been cut
if it bothers you so much why dont you and people like yourself who make 50k plus a year take a pay cut why because you dont want to put ur self on the same level as lower paid
you might feel like you have the moral high ground but dont preach to me until you have walked a few miles in my shoes and then be thank full for the life you have
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I don't believe that for one second cos they will become complicent and confident and that is always manifested in a govt that's been in power for too long especially when they have a boom...Let's not fool ourselves any govt would have done the same...