we should worry about the chinese military ( Archived) (132)

Yes, well, you're talking in terms of what China and the US have at present. Down the road, however, at the rate China is arming itself, it will be a different story.

As to total global nuclear war, recent research has shown that the notion of total world annihilation is a myth. In fact, a percentage of military training is aimed at combat situations during all-out nuclear war. Yes, there would be big population losses, lots of cancer and other bad side-effects, but consider this: Hiroshima took a direct hit, Nagasaki a close strike, and while around 350,000 people died, 132,000 survived in Hiroshima and around 180,000 survived in Nagasaki, and this was with no warning and no radiation-proof clothing, air-filter masks, and so on. One man even survived both strikes- he experienced the bombing of Hiroshima, fled to Nagasaki, and experienced being bombed again. I believe he is still alive today.

Hmmm, yet exactly the opposite is the opinion in China, here they know that America has a history of interfering with countries that may have a problem, usually by armed force. China's understanding is that within 5 years it will displace America as the worlds superpower, America, like a spoiled child who has lost its toy, will have a hissy fit and retaliate against China, so China is showing the world it will not bow down to American demands be they verbal or military.
If the west uses actual logic, there is absolutely no reason for China to attack North America, in fact, logic shows it would be an incredibly stupid move, when you bear in mind that America owes China Billions of dollars, and , is a major customer for Chinese made goods.
China is a vast country, with the second largest population in the world, it is all the Chinese government can do to look after their own people without the added burden of trying to control another large country, especially a hostile one!!
Regarding the build up of military in the Seas around China,most of this stems from repeated aggression by the Philippines and by Japan, remember that historically, China and Japan hate each other due to Japans constant aggression and, more importantly, its (Japans)refusal to admit to the attacks, even changing history books to deny the atrocities carried out on China mainland in the past.
Having lived and learnt just a fraction of real Chinese history, it has completely changed my western view on this passive and non aggressive country, populated by some of the worlds kindest and friendliest people.

Regarding the build up of military in the Seas around China,most of this stems from repeated aggression by the Philippines and by Japan, remember that historically, China and Japan hate each other due to Japans constant aggression and, more importantly, its (Japans)refusal to admit to the attacks, even changing history books to deny the atrocities carried out on China mainland in the past.
Having lived and learnt just a fraction of real Chinese history, it has completely changed my western view on this passive and non aggressive country, populated by some of the worlds kindest and friendliest people.

The Philippines own just one old second world war frigate, how you see the Philippines offering China repeated aggression begger's disbelief.
Passive and non aggressive hehehehe what rubbish...
Illegally attacking Tibet the seat of the Dalai Lamas non violent sovereign nation and killing more than a million, including Monks and Nuns, indicates to me your buying there blatant lies, wearing rose coloured glasses, though i would agree every day Chinese people are good people the lunatic peoples party certainly isn't.

Do yourself a favour and build a really good bomb shelter as your gunner need it...

No rose tinted glasses, just in a position to see and learn from both sides of the argument, I guess you failed to notice that the Philippines have just renamed the South China sea, the "West Philippine Sea" done by their government as a taunt to China, but only because they know they can call on the US for military support.
I don't pretend to understand the problems with Tibet,very few really do!! But my understanding is that if Tibet breaks away from Mainland China, that could cause the rest of China to also look at be creating independent countries from other provinces, similar to the breakdown of the USSR. Of course China is fearful of this happening, with the second largest population to feed they need all the land they can get to grow food. My own opinion is let Tibet go, but also let the Tibetians know they will have no support whatsoever from China, including food, education etc, lets see how it survives.
China has been and is in fights over disputed borders, that is quite correct, but, can you show me where China has actually invaded a foreign land that has had no link whatsoever with China??
In todays economic climate, countries such as the Philippines would do far better to ask for investment and financial support from China, rather than poke a stick in China's eye. JMOH

I could not agree with either of the assumptions you make, Phillippines have every right to international norm and can called the sea within its jurisdiction whatever it likes.


Exclusive economic zones (EEZs)
These extend from the edge of the territorial sea out to 200 nautical miles from the baseline. Within this area, the coastal nation has sole exploitation rights over all natural resources. In casual use, the term may include the territorial sea and even the continental shelf. The EEZs were introduced to halt the increasingly heated clashes over fishing rights, although oil was also becoming important. The success of an offshore oil platform in the Gulf of Mexico in 1947 was soon repeated elsewhere in the world, and by 1970 it was technically feasible to operate in waters 4000 metres deep. Foreign nations have the freedom of navigation and overflight, subject to the regulation of the coastal states. Foreign states may also lay submarine pipes and cables.
An American intrupretation can also be found here:



In relation to Tibet:
It is an out and out lie to claim Tibet has never been part of China, both China and the British invaded Tibet, China in 1910 again in 1954 and yet again in 1962. Tibet has never ever been a part of China, Tibet shared a relationship with the Mongolian Khan during the time the Khan ruled China, at no other time was Tibet ever in any way what so ever a part of China, its just blatant lies told by the communist party to suggest otherwise, Tibet has never been part of China.
You seemed to ignored content of my first post in this thread, perhaps you might refresh your mind on all the subject matter i raised and include the millions staving in North Korea and the millions Pal Pot killed, both of those fully franked and fully supported by China.
Do you honestly believe the Pope and Protestants and others are going to fold there cards and submit to a bunch of lairs, do you really think the (so called) free world is gunner bow down to a bunch of dishonest morons running a dictatorship depriving free speech, religion, freedom of thought, association etc etc the Human Rights Charter proclaims, get serious mate, prepare yourself for a very big shock