To Taser or Not To Taser? (66)

Jul 9, 2011 6:42 AM CST To Taser or Not To Taser?
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
Martia: OK HAND IT OVER It really is a big wooden Spoon ....very impressed.
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Jul 9, 2011 7:00 AM CST To Taser or Not To Taser?
serene56
serene56serene56Myplace, New South Wales Australia543 Threads 10 Polls 27,960 Posts
Lookin4missright: Thanx spunky I get a bit worked up when i dont agree with s/thing & it all goes pear shaped. Girl, i also did 4 & 1/2yrs as a route bus & coach driver in the western suburbs? & fark could i tell a lot of parents about what their little angels got up too late at nite when they were supposed to be as snug as a bug? Sum of the angels as well as sum parents needed to be shot with a 1000amp taser im tellin ya. I have plenty of stories about those years as well. Ive had bad experiences with sum police but i do not tar the whole force with the same brush.



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Jul 9, 2011 7:28 AM CST To Taser or Not To Taser?
Martia
MartiaMartiabenalla, Victoria Australia141 Threads 1 Polls 2,888 Posts
Lookin4missright: thankth hope u not peed with your demotion You just through me Earlier you posted one of the most empressing posts i have read on here? And then pooooof!! You post JMO one of the,if not the most stupid one i have read Suppose we still have the freedom of speech in for now anyway. Just hope its free up until i get to pick my own color burka I dont agree with you but hey, i know all my comments & attempted humour doesnt agree with most.


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Jul 9, 2011 7:30 AM CST To Taser or Not To Taser?
Lookin4missright
Lookin4missrightLookin4missrightmelbourne, Victoria Australia400 Threads 24,032 Posts
Martia: UM ER
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Jul 9, 2011 7:31 AM CST To Taser or Not To Taser?
Martia
MartiaMartiabenalla, Victoria Australia141 Threads 1 Polls 2,888 Posts
AgentAjax: too many human cops in my opinion if they managed to Taser around 1000 kids in VIC alone last year, some as young as 9.


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Jul 9, 2011 7:33 AM CST To Taser or Not To Taser?
Martia
MartiaMartiabenalla, Victoria Australia141 Threads 1 Polls 2,888 Posts
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Jul 9, 2011 7:36 AM CST To Taser or Not To Taser?
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
Lookin4missright: thankth hope u not peed with your demotion You just through me Earlier you posted one of the most empressing posts i have read on here? And then pooooof!! You post JMO one of the,if not the most stupid one i have read Suppose we still have the freedom of speech in for now anyway. Just hope its free up until i get to pick my own color burka I dont agree with you but hey, i know all my comments & attempted humour doesnt agree with most.


You’ll get that from time to time. Cops in Australia and around the world are not trained nor screened properly, underpaid and non professional. Every time you turn your TV on, it seems like there isn’t one single honest cop out there. Even the original CJC was full of corruption and now they have a new one already under the investigation. Pick up the paper read the news from time to time and you might question it yourself. How many death in custody have there been? Violent or non violent, criminal or not a criminal!!! The point is none of these things should be happening if we had honest cops on the top taking their job seriously and professionally. how’s that? think about it.
Jul 9, 2011 7:55 AM CST To Taser or Not To Taser?
dragondog4
dragondog4dragondog4Perth, Western Australia Australia55 Threads 3,912 Posts
AgentAjax: You’ll get that from time to time. Cops in Australia and around the world are not trained nor screened properly, underpaid and non professional. Every time you turn your TV on, it seems like there isn’t one single honest cop out there. Even the original CJC was full of corruption and now they have a new one already under the investigation. Pick up the paper read the news from time to time and you might question it yourself. How many death in custody have there been? Violent or non violent, criminal or not a criminal!!! The point is none of these things should be happening if we had honest cops on the top taking their job seriously and professionally. how’s that? think about it.


And this probably wouldn't happen if we had a legal system that supported the police instead of constantly undermining them.

If we had a Prison system that didn't molycodle the inmates but instead through fear and hard work at the inmates making them fear going back inside. A Prison system that could show that the number of repeat offenders was declining not increasing.

If we had lawyers that upheld the Policeman with respect and supported the Policeman in his attempts to make Society on the streets a nicer place.

And if we had more Policeman out there doing there law enforcement duties.

But no the Politician wants his cushhy lifestyle. So they cut Police numbers to ensure they meet there profit margins so they can get a pay rise so they can live in an elitist area with private security and can pretend the world outside is a bowl of roses. Meanwhile .....
Jul 9, 2011 8:00 AM CST To Taser or Not To Taser?
Lookin4missright
Lookin4missrightLookin4missrightmelbourne, Victoria Australia400 Threads 24,032 Posts
AgentAjax: You’ll get that from time to time. Cops in Australia and around the world are not trained nor screened properly, underpaid and non professional. Every time you turn your TV on, it seems like there isn’t one single honest cop out there. Even the original CJC was full of corruption and now they have a new one already under the investigation. Pick up the paper read the news from time to time and you might question it yourself. How many death in custody have there been? Violent or non violent, criminal or not a criminal!!! The point is none of these things should be happening if we had honest cops on the top taking their job seriously and professionally. how’s that? think about it.
I agree with some of what u say & think u hit it on the head with cops on the top bit. Like i said to serene i get a bit pear shaped when i dont agree with s/thing as i try to be as honest & straight out as i can be, i do respect you for being the same.
Jul 9, 2011 8:14 AM CST To Taser or Not To Taser?
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
dragondog4: And this probably wouldn't happen if we had a legal system that supported the police instead of constantly undermining them.

If we had a Prison system that didn't molycodle the inmates but instead through fear and hard work at the inmates making them fear going back inside. A Prison system that could show that the number of repeat offenders was declining not increasing.

If we had lawyers that upheld the Policeman with respect and supported the Policeman in his attempts to make Society on the streets a nicer place.

And if we had more Policeman out there doing there law enforcement duties.

But no the Politician wants his cushhy lifestyle. So they cut Police numbers to ensure they meet there profit margins so they can get a pay rise so they can live in an elitist area with private security and can pretend the world outside is a bowl of roses. Meanwhile .....


Honestly not every case is the same, no situation is the same.
Every case is opened to the interpretation of the law, this is what is known as a fair system. The lawyers are there to present an alternative view to the prosecutor. The final word on the verdict is done by common people known as Jury…. they are the ones who say guilty or not. The Judges job then is to summarise all the information before him including the verdict and pass judgment. So if anybody is to blame is the jury and not the system.
Jul 9, 2011 8:18 AM CST To Taser or Not To Taser?
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
Lookin4missright: I agree with some of what u say & think u hit it on the head with cops on the top bit. Like i said to serene i get a bit pear shaped when i dont agree with s/thing as i try to be as honest & straight out as i can be, i do respect you for being the same.
Bad cops do good things, after all they do have to justify why they are there. And there are good cops amongst the bad ones, known as whistle blowers. Here is the thing they need to run to the news papers first for protection because the whole damn system is infiltrated with criminals…. fact bud.
Jul 9, 2011 8:22 AM CST To Taser or Not To Taser?
Martia
MartiaMartiabenalla, Victoria Australia141 Threads 1 Polls 2,888 Posts
AgentAjax: Bad cops do good things, after all they do have to justify why they are there. And there are good cops amongst the bad ones, known as whistle blowers. Here is the thing they need to run to the news papers first for protection because the whole damn system is infiltrated with criminals…. fact bud.


So true in Victoria.The News papers are good for something thank goodness for Andrew Bolt.applause
Jul 9, 2011 8:27 AM CST To Taser or Not To Taser?
dragondog4
dragondog4dragondog4Perth, Western Australia Australia55 Threads 3,912 Posts
AgentAjax: Honestly not every case is the same, no situation is the same.
Every case is opened to the interpretation of the law, this is what is known as a fair system. The lawyers are there to present an alternative view to the prosecutor. The final word on the verdict is done by common people known as Jury…. they are the ones who say guilty or not. The Judges job then is to summarise all the information before him including the verdict and pass judgment. So if anybody is to blame is the jury and not the system.


And having served on several Juries I would have to accept that blame. And i say its a failure in the system.

Lawyers attempt to fix (I know not quite the right word but it will suffice) the jury by assuming a persons character by their looks. Then in the backroom no wants to actually be there so will say and do almost anything to get the responsibilty over and done with as soon as possible. The bossy and Know it alls try to take over and those that don't care say nothing. The verdict is seldom a reflection of the facts. (Opinion only)

I know I did it. I stood my ground and said not guilty in a molestation case. There were no facts in my view to say it was so. But in the end I caved to peer pressure and went with the crowd.

I am in the wrong I admit. But How many other juries go the same way. Judges are paidto do this job. They should make the decisions and there decision should be final pending new evidence being submitted. Juries should not exist.
Jul 9, 2011 8:35 AM CST To Taser or Not To Taser?
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
dragondog4: And having served on several Juries I would have to accept that blame. And i say its a failure in the system.

Lawyers attempt to fix (I know not quite the right word but it will suffice) the jury by assuming a persons character by their looks. Then in the backroom no wants to actually be there so will say and do almost anything to get the responsibilty over and done with as soon as possible. The bossy and Know it alls try to take over and those that don't care say nothing. The verdict is seldom a reflection of the facts. (Opinion only)

I know I did it. I stood my ground and said not guilty in a molestation case. There were no facts in my view to say it was so. But in the end I caved to peer pressure and went with the crowd.

I am in the wrong I admit. But How many other juries go the same way. Judges are paidto do this job. They should make the decisions and there decision should be final pending new evidence being submitted. Juries should not exist.


What type of system should we have then to make it even remotely fair? This is one of the only way to make it as fair as possible, by letting people do the stoning so to speak. I’ve done jury duty once got called up 3 times.

I stand my ground and tell them to convince me and not to tell me which way my vote will go.
Jul 9, 2011 8:35 AM CST To Taser or Not To Taser?
Lookin4missright
Lookin4missrightLookin4missrightmelbourne, Victoria Australia400 Threads 24,032 Posts
AgentAjax: Bad cops do good things, after all they do have to justify why they are there. And there are good cops amongst the bad ones, known as whistle blowers. Here is the thing they need to run to the news papers first for protection because the whole damn system is infiltrated with criminals…. fact bud.
im only a truck driver Mr AA f all edumacation & i know when im licked & when to bale out. I can only go on my life experiences & encounters with the police good & bad. As im working my butt off all week in amongst moron car drivers laugh I dont get to read papers or listen to media gossip, so u may have the heads up on me there thumbs up Ive only learnt my experiences on the streets in real life.australia
Jul 9, 2011 8:40 AM CST To Taser or Not To Taser?
Lookin4missright
Lookin4missrightLookin4missrightmelbourne, Victoria Australia400 Threads 24,032 Posts
dragondog4: And having served on several Juries I would have to accept that blame. And i say its a failure in the system.

Lawyers attempt to fix (I know not quite the right word but it will suffice) the jury by assuming a persons character by their looks. Then in the backroom no wants to actually be there so will say and do almost anything to get the responsibilty over and done with as soon as possible. The bossy and Know it alls try to take over and those that don't care say nothing. The verdict is seldom a reflection of the facts. (Opinion only)

I know I did it. I stood my ground and said not guilty in a molestation case. There were no facts in my view to say it was so. But in the end I caved to peer pressure and went with the crowd.

I am in the wrong I admit. But How many other juries go the same way. Judges are paidto do this job. They should make the decisions and there decision should be final pending new evidence being submitted. Juries should not exist.
6 days on a jury & i will never do it again, had to catch train crying coz it was about $35 to park in city c/park mumbling Who r the crims mumbling
Jul 9, 2011 8:44 AM CST To Taser or Not To Taser?
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
Lookin4missright: im only a truck driver Mr AA f all edumacation & i know when im licked & when to bale out. I can only go on my life experiences & encounters with the police good & bad. As im working my butt off all week in amongst moron car drivers I dont get to read papers or listen to media gossip, so u may have the heads up on me there Ive only learnt my experiences on the streets in real life.
There is no right or wrong we share our opinions via this form of media. Im never going to change your opinion nor you mine. Our view changes when we can open our mind to all information. beer
Jul 9, 2011 8:53 AM CST To Taser or Not To Taser?
Lookin4missright
Lookin4missrightLookin4missrightmelbourne, Victoria Australia400 Threads 24,032 Posts
AgentAjax: There is no right or wrong we share our opinions via this form of media. Im never going to change your opinion nor you mine. Our view changes when we can open our mind to all information.
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Jul 9, 2011 8:54 AM CST To Taser or Not To Taser?
dragondog4
dragondog4dragondog4Perth, Western Australia Australia55 Threads 3,912 Posts
AgentAjax: What type of system should we have then to make it even remotely fair? This is one of the only way to make it as fair as possible, by letting people do the stoning so to speak. I’ve done jury duty once got called up 3 times.

I stand my ground and tell them to convince me and not to tell me which way my vote will go.


I say the Judge does what he is paid to do. Make a ruling. He sits there and listens to the lawyers. The judge knows the law just as well as the lawyers. Why leave it to Country Bumpkin to make a decision. And they go "Oh she a girl and she pretty so she couldn't do that.

And as an aside. Why only a jury in criminal law. Why not a jury in other forms of law as well. I'd like to have had my custody battle in front of a Jury.

But no A bloody judge got to make his decision there in a custody battle without any help from joe public jury. So why does the judge need an escape clause in criminal law.

"Oh I'm sorry MR Hells Angel gang leader. I didn't say you were a bad guy; They did. If it was up to me I'd buy you a coffee and set you on your way."
Jul 9, 2011 7:33 PM CST To Taser or Not To Taser?
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts


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