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Jul 29, 2011 11:22 AM CST Has the Antichrist come?
jvaski: My neighbors just cut-off business relations with the Swiss - becuase they're so bone-headed and arrogant .....
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Jul 29, 2011 11:24 AM CST Has the Antichrist come?
jvaski: My neighbors just cut-off business relations with the Swiss - becuase they're so bone-headed and arrogant .....
You mean,Because of the weak Obama-Dollar?rolling on the floor laughing
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Jul 29, 2011 8:53 PM CST Has the Antichrist come?
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
robplum: My understanding of the Buddhist view runs along the lines, there are meany gods which are beings that have gone beyond.
Buddhist strive to obtain enlightenment, my understanding is enlightenment occurs after someone realizes the nature of, then ceases the causes for rebirth.
They hold a view like that having accepted the notion cause and effect is certain. Without cause there would be nothing, no cause no suffering...etc
Tis my understanding the path is benefiting others...


Medieval Chinese were a warrior class with Emperor as well the Japanese up to the last century. Asia was hardly at peace and even some of the Mongol Hordes were Buddhist. In more modern times, Mao killed over a hundred million of his own, North Korea is against the world so Buddhism may teach one thing but like all other beliefs, it's followers don't always follow it.
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Jul 29, 2011 8:59 PM CST Has the Antichrist come?
revealer24
revealer24revealer24Arundel, Queensland Australia62 Threads 985 Posts
Albertaghost: Now hating to go off topic but gave some thought to the one versus many God comment you made. Seems to me that in days of old when there was many Gods, nations were at continual active war with one another. As examples I use pretty much every tribe, the Romans, Greeks, Norse, Aboriginals, Africans etc.

Per capita, the present age of man is the most peaceful by far. Could it have some bearing that the bulk of the world worships one God I wonder.


Most peaceful? Hmmm... WWI, WWII, various other wars, a few years ago a retired CIA agent testified that the US was directly or indirectly responsible for the death of 6 million people. Very peaceful, indeed...
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Jul 30, 2011 3:44 AM CST Has the Antichrist come?
revealer24: Most peaceful? Hmmm... WWI, WWII, various other wars, a few years ago a retired CIA agent testified that the US was directly or indirectly responsible for the death of 6 million people. Very peaceful, indeed...
and of course they were all totally innocent,not members of Opposing Military or in the middle of military action,like Germany or Japan?
Still twisting History,ha?
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Jul 30, 2011 4:08 AM CST Has the Antichrist come?
The Chinese follow a mixture of views, they are not Buddhist, they added Confucius and Shinto teachings they have never used Tibetan Buddhism other than to steal Tibet, murder monks and nuns. Certainly not knowledgeable about HHDL Mahayana view, nor either are the North Koreans. Mahayana is practiced by many in Taiwan, Vietnam, Burma, Bhutan and once upon time, a long long time ago, most of India up until God believing Muslim chopped all there heads off, destroyed all Buddhist text and destroyed all the temple they could.
Japanese Zen is not a complete form of Buddhism.
You display to my mind you've never looked into anything other than chocolate eggs
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Jul 30, 2011 4:28 AM CST Has the Antichrist come?
robplum: The Chinese follow a mixture of views, they are not Buddhist, they added Confucius and Shinto teachings they have never used Tibetan Buddhism other than to steal Tibet, murder monks and nuns. Certainly not knowledgeable about HHDL Mahayana view, nor either are the North Koreans. Mahayana is practiced by many in Taiwan, Vietnam, Burma, Bhutan and once upon time, a long long time ago, most of India up until God believing Muslim chopped all there heads off, destroyed all Buddhist text and destroyed all the temple they could.
Japanese Zen is not a complete form of Buddhism.
You display to my mind you've never looked into anything other than chocolate eggs
yep,Sunshine!
I have looked at the utter Despair,Poverty and Disease those People have lived in,owing to that Anti-Life Philosophy!
It's easy for Westerners to pretend that they follow those Philosophies while having all the amenities of western Civilizations at their Disposal!laugh
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Jul 30, 2011 4:34 AM CST Has the Antichrist come?
revealer24
revealer24revealer24Arundel, Queensland Australia62 Threads 985 Posts
Conrad73: and of course they were all totally innocent,not members of Opposing Military or in the middle of military action,like Germany or Japan?
Still twisting History,ha?


Twisting? Huh. Everyone is guilty who disagrees with the US...

One just needs to look around... the tip of the iceberg...







"Consider the Pentagon Papers, the collection of top-secret United States Depart of Defence material of that government's political and military involvement in Vietnam from from 1945 to 1967, consisting of 3,000 pages of historical analysis and 4,000 pages of original government documents. Eventually a copy was leaked and published, revealing the extent of the U.S. intervention, including the expansion of the war into Cambodia and Laos, none of which had been previously reported. Most importantly the Papers revealed that four administrations had deliberately misled the public about their intentions, including the faked second Tonkin Gulf Incident which resulted in the U.S. military intervention in Vietnam, a conflict resulting with some two to four million dead."



So starting wars on lies? WMD in Iraq, anyone? After starting 2 million children under the age of 6 to death?

Who is twisting history? Were the Vietnamese enemies? Iraq was an ally. Saddam Hussein corrected the reporter when he referred to George Bush, he said, "No. Mr Bush". Bin Laden was an ally against Russia, financed by the CIA.

But yes, it is always the victors, the most powerful, that write history, and everyone else twists it. And no surprise they justify their crimes.
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Jul 30, 2011 4:34 AM CST Has the Antichrist come?
revealer24
revealer24revealer24Arundel, Queensland Australia62 Threads 985 Posts
robplum: The Chinese follow a mixture of views, they are not Buddhist, they added Confucius and Shinto teachings they have never used Tibetan Buddhism other than to steal Tibet, murder monks and nuns. Certainly not knowledgeable about HHDL Mahayana view, nor either are the North Koreans. Mahayana is practiced by many in Taiwan, Vietnam, Burma, Bhutan and once upon time, a long long time ago, most of India up until God believing Muslim chopped all there heads off, destroyed all Buddhist text and destroyed all the temple they could.
Japanese Zen is not a complete form of Buddhism.
You display to my mind you've never looked into anything other than chocolate eggs
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Jul 30, 2011 4:44 AM CST Has the Antichrist come?
HHDL has constantly expressed the view Tibetan people in Exile should continue to practice non-violence.
In reality they cannot possibly win a fight with China, impossible. Non violence is perhaps seen by many as a weakness, but then if we give consideration to cause and effect, our karmas, the as you sow so shall you ripe story.
It doesn't mean to my mind that HHDL doesn't have a valid view, just because most religions don't find understanding of there own text. Doesn't mean HHDL is wrong, I'm sure he is not. The Israelis and Muslim in southern Lebanon and West Bank agreed with Prime Minister Olmert to implement Ahimsa and that has in the main been practiced and i believe is a shining example of what could happen,
But just knocking others that don't buy the concept of a GOD is to my mind silly and displays ignorence
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Jul 30, 2011 4:44 AM CST Has the Antichrist come?
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
robplum: The Chinese follow a mixture of views, they are not Buddhist,


"Buddhism remains a main popular religion in China since its introduction in the 1st century; "



robplum: nor either are the North Koreans.


"Traditionally, religion in North Korea primarily consists of Buddhism and Confucianism and to a lesser extent Korean shamanism and syncretic Chondogyo."



robplum: Japanese Zen is not a complete form of Buddhism.

"Shinto and Buddhism are Japan's two major religions. "



You display to my mind you've never looked into anything other than chocolate eggs


Seems you have a very closed mind Rob. You state that Buddhism is so great yet, many who were Buddhists commited atrocities just as bad if not worse than other religions and beliefs and then, hide behind pretensions such as you have posted above. Let's face it, it is just as good or bad as any other belief.

"Though traditionally regarded as a peaceful religion, Buddhism has a dark side. On multiple occasions over the past fifteen centuries, Buddhist leaders have sanctioned violence, and even war. The eight essays in this book focus on a variety of Buddhist traditions, from antiquity to the present, and show that Buddhist organizations have used religious images and rhetoric to support military conquest throughout history.

Buddhist soldiers in sixth century China were given the illustrious status of Bodhisattva after killing their adversaries. In seventeenth century Tibet, the Fifth Dalai Lama endorsed a Mongol ruler's killing of his rivals. And in modern-day Thailand, Buddhist soldiers carry out their duties undercover, as fully ordained monks armed with guns.

Buddhist Warfare demonstrates that the discourse on religion and violence, usually applied to Judaism, Islam, and Christianity, can no longer exclude Buddhist traditions. The book examines Buddhist military action in Tibet, China, Korea, Japan, Mongolia, Sri Lanka, and Thailand, and shows that even the most unlikely and allegedly pacifist religious traditions are susceptible to the violent tendencies of man. "

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Jul 30, 2011 5:06 AM CST Has the Antichrist come?
Albertaghost: "Buddhism remains a main popular religion in China since its introduction in the 1st century; "


"Traditionally, religion in North Korea primarily consists of Buddhism and Confucianism and to a lesser extent Korean shamanism and syncretic Chondogyo."


Seems you have a very closed mind Rob. You state that Buddhism is so great yet, many who were Buddhists commited atrocities just as bad if not worse than other religions and beliefs and then, hide behind pretensions such as you have posted above. Let's face it, it is just as good or bad as any other belief.

"Though traditionally regarded as a peaceful religion, Buddhism has a dark side. On multiple occasions over the past fifteen centuries, Buddhist leaders have sanctioned violence, and even war. The eight essays in this book focus on a variety of Buddhist traditions, from antiquity to the present, and show that Buddhist organizations have used religious images and rhetoric to support military conquest throughout history.

Buddhist soldiers in sixth century China were given the illustrious status of Bodhisattva after killing their adversaries. In seventeenth century Tibet, the Fifth Dalai Lama endorsed a Mongol ruler's killing of his rivals. And in modern-day Thailand, Buddhist soldiers carry out their duties undercover, as fully ordained monks armed with guns.

Buddhist Warfare demonstrates that the discourse on religion and violence, usually applied to Judaism, Islam, and Christianity, can no longer exclude Buddhist traditions. The book examines Buddhist military action in Tibet, China, Korea, Japan, Mongolia, Sri Lanka, and Thailand, and shows that even the most unlikely and allegedly pacifist religious traditions are susceptible to the violent tendencies of man. "



The Mongolian Khan installed the first Dalai Lama over what was at the time wildly practiced in Tibet a religion called Bon. At the time the Khan ruled all of China. Mahayana Buddhism (has four schools) practices and always has practiced NON VIOLENCE. China has never practiced Mahayana rather it to contaminates Buddhism with Confucianism, you are, i don't care where you read it China is not and has never been part of Tibet, its does practice Mahayana Buddhism.
Nor either does Thailand, it embraces and practices Hinayana Buddhism, which is also an incomplete form of Buddhism.
Buddhism is not a religion, it is a Philosophy, i suspect that go right over the top of your head mate...why don't you go to a qualified source for your information
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Jul 30, 2011 5:08 AM CST Has the Antichrist come?
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
revealer24: Twisting? Huh. Everyone is guilty who disagrees with the US...

One just needs to look around... the tip of the iceberg...



A work of fiction. The US does not need to use terrorism as it is defined by international authorities as it simply uses legal military force.



"Of the 26 US soldiers initially charged with criminal offences or war-crimes for the actions at My Lai, only William Calley was convicted. He served four and one-half months of his two-year sentence."

"In 2007 the 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals sided with the Court in Brooklyn saying that "Agent Orange and similar U.S. herbicides cannot be considered poisons banned under international rules of war" and that the lack of large-scale research made it impossible to show what caused illnesses."

"They reported "no evidence of war crimes" but cited violations of international humanitarian law"

"Michael Ignatieff, then leader of the Liberal Party of Canada and former director of the Carr Center for Human Rights Policy said that the threat of terrorism requires serious and possibly permanent abridgement of civil liberties. He stated that governments are justified in combating terrorism with "lesser evils", ranging from suspension of civil liberties, through secret uses of executive power, to torture of suspects, as well as targeted killing, right up to pre-emptive war to destroy terrorist bases and also to prevent the development or deployment of weapons which may be used by terrorists or states that support terrorist aims."

revealer24: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_sponsored_regime_change


Just about all of them had valid reasons.

revealer24: including the faked second Tonkin Gulf Incident which resulted in the U.S. military intervention in Vietnam, a conflict resulting with some two to four million dead."


Wasn't faked. Just troops being skittish and screwing up. The government then used it as a pretext since they had already been fired upon.

revealer24:
So starting wars on lies? WMD in Iraq, anyone?


How about on mistaken intel. A mistake is not a lie and, WMDs were only a small part of the transgressions and ceasefire violations Iraq had broken.

revealer24: After starting 2 million children under the age of 6 to death?


You can blame that directly upon Saddam Hussein as he was the one who needed only to adhere to the UNSC Resolutions and ceasfire conditions and the sanctions would have been lifted.

revealer24: Who is twisting history? Were the Vietnamese enemies?


As soon as they sided with Communists they were. Rememeber there was a war going on called the 'Cold War.'

revealer24: Iraq was an ally. Saddam Hussein corrected the reporter when he referred to George Bush, he said, "No. Mr Bush".


Please list the joint operations that the US and Iraq were engaged in please.

revealer24: Bin Laden was an ally against Russia, financed by the CIA.


Bin Laden never fought in Afghanistan against the Russians as he was in Pakistan financing the Mujuhadine.

revealer24: But yes, it is always the victors, the most powerful, that write history, and everyone else twists it. And no surprise they justify their crimes.


You've twisted the truth pretty good here yourself.
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Jul 30, 2011 5:12 AM CST Has the Antichrist come?
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
robplum:
Buddhism is not a religion, it is a Philosophy, i suspect that go right over the top of your head mate...why don't you go to a qualified source for your information


If you look at my posts Rob, you will see I said religions and 'beliefs.'

Do try to keep up as you are appearing the fool here.
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Jul 30, 2011 5:15 AM CST Has the Antichrist come?
revealer24: Twisting? Huh. Everyone is guilty who disagrees with the US...

One just needs to look around... the tip of the iceberg...







"Consider the Pentagon Papers, the collection of top-secret United States Depart of Defence material of that government's political and military involvement in Vietnam from from 1945 to 1967, consisting of 3,000 pages of historical analysis and 4,000 pages of original government documents. Eventually a copy was leaked and published, revealing the extent of the U.S. intervention, including the expansion of the war into Cambodia and Laos, none of which had been previously reported. Most importantly the Papers revealed that four administrations had deliberately misled the public about their intentions, including the faked second Tonkin Gulf Incident which resulted in the U.S. military intervention in Vietnam, a conflict resulting with some two to four million dead."



So starting wars on lies? WMD in Iraq, anyone? After starting 2 million children under the age of 6 to death?

Who is twisting history? Were the Vietnamese enemies? Iraq was an ally. Saddam Hussein corrected the reporter when he referred to George Bush, he said, "No. Mr Bush". Bin Laden was an ally against Russia, financed by the CIA.

But yes, it is always the victors, the most powerful, that write history, and everyone else twists it. And no surprise they justify their crimes.
funny how sooner or later People's True Colors appear!rolling on the floor laughing
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Jul 30, 2011 5:22 AM CST Has the Antichrist come?
Albertaghost: If you look at my posts Rob, you will see I said religions and 'beliefs.'

Do try to keep up as you are appearing the fool here.


I don't appearing as a fool to some one who clearly knows nothing about Buddhism or the reason behind the Vietnam war, your talking lot of rubbish. And i don't if you continue to think a fool better to be foolish than dumb.
France occupied all of Vietnam by 1884, Catholics tried to impose there rubbish over predominantly Mahayana teachings.
Final declaration, dated July 21, 1954, of the Geneva_Conference on the problem of restoring peace in Indochina, in which the representatives of Cambodia, the Democratic Republic of Viet-Nam, France, Laos, the People's Republic of China, the State of Viet-Nam, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the United Kingdom and the United States of America took part.

In case you feel inclined to better knowledge about the interdependent arising of the Vietnam war, follow link, the information on the was put there by somebody who first hand experience and is in the main comprised of NEWS HEADLINES
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Jul 30, 2011 5:23 AM CST Has the Antichrist come?
robplum: I don't appearing as a fool to some one who clearly knows nothing about Buddhism or the reason behind the Vietnam war, your talking lot of rubbish. And i don't if you continue to think a fool better to be foolish than dumb.
France occupied all of Vietnam by 1884, Catholics tried to impose there rubbish over predominantly Mahayana teachings.
Final declaration, dated July 21, 1954, of the Geneva_Conference on the problem of restoring peace in Indochina, in which the representatives of Cambodia, the Democratic Republic of Viet-Nam, France, Laos, the People's Republic of China, the State of Viet-Nam, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the United Kingdom and the United States of America took part.

In case you feel inclined to better knowledge about the interdependent arising of the Vietnam war, follow link, the information on the was put there by somebody who first hand experience and is in the main comprised of NEWS HEADLINES


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Jul 30, 2011 5:36 AM CST Has the Antichrist come?
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
robplum: I don't appearing as a fool to some one who clearly knows nothing about Buddhism


Then why is it that you have to keep putting words in my mouth Rob? And why do you continually deny that Buddhists can make war just like any other belief or religion? And why do you skip over the reality that many Buddhists consider themselves part of a religion?



robplum: or the reason behind the Vietnam war,


There were many reasons for the VNW but the reality is tht there was only one for the US to be in this conflict.

robplum: your talking lot of rubbish. And i don't if you continue to think a fool better to be foolish than dumb.


My goodness Rob, for a guy supposedly critiquing my intelligence your punctuation is somewhat lacking (your should be 'you're) and that gibberish almost made sense.

robplum: France occupied all of Vietnam by 1884, Catholics tried to impose there rubbish over predominantly Mahayana teachings.
Final declaration, dated July 21, 1954, of the Geneva_Conference on the problem of restoring peace in Indochina, in which the representatives of Cambodia, the Democratic Republic of Viet-Nam, France, Laos, the People's Republic of China, the State of Viet-Nam, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the United Kingdom and the United States of America took part.


frustrated

Rob, as I tried to explain to you, there were many reasons for the conflict however, there was only one main reason for the US. It was, and is called the Domino Theory.

You can read about it here;



robplum: In case you feel inclined to better knowledge about the interdependent arising of the Vietnam war, follow link, the information on the was put there by somebody who first hand experience and is in the main comprised of NEWS HEADLINES


Domino Theory Rob. frustrated
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Jul 30, 2011 5:52 AM CST Has the Antichrist come?
The Dalai Lama taught in Mongolia not China
THEN
Buddhism under the communist rule (1921-1990)

Communists took control of Mongolia in 1921 and committed violent purges in every aspect of the culture. The worst persecutions started during the late 1930s when tens of thousands of monks and ordinary believers were executed, monks were forced into lay life or worked to death. The vast majority of monasteries, temples and religious objects were destroyed during these years of the communist purges and Buddhism was all but obliterated.

Mongolians were systematically conditioned to view the Buddha Dharma as an undesirable remnant of their cultural history, something backward, superstitious and contrary to all ideals of progress and modernity.

Harry S. Truman and Kennedy cranked up the Vietnam War that effected lots of us. They created S.E.A.T.O. trying to prop up the attempts the Popes were making to install Christianity in Asia proper. THe domino theory you allude to hadn't even been thought of when the Catholics invaded Vietnam...
The domino theory was a theory during the 1950s to 1980s, promoted at times by the government of the United States, that speculated that if one state in a region came under the influence of communism, then the surrounding countries would follow in a domino effect.
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Jul 30, 2011 5:57 AM CST Has the Antichrist come?
Raynew1959
Raynew1959Raynew1959Barrington, New Hampshire USA120 Threads 2 Polls 2,218 Posts
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Only if you believe in that crap
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