Has the Antichrist come? (172)
I am going to give an exposition on the following verses:
1John 4:
2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ ["christ" = "anointed"] has come in the flesh is from God; 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.
Let me note that John has nothing to say to atheists or people of other religions. The are not in his thoughts. He deals with those who once belonged to the first century Jesus movement, but then adopted Pagan ideas.
A few points I need to mention:
1. "Christ" is not a title of a deity as many Christians believe, but it simply means "anointed". In ancient times human beings were anointed, that is, appointed for particular offices, such as kings or high priests. Anointing was performed by a higher authority, such as prophets, and after the age of the prophets, by the Sanhedrin, the religious council. However, in the first century the Sanhedrin was corrupt, and thus didn't qualify to anoint anyone, therefore, God alone could anoint Jesus, the son of Joseph. Confessing that Jesus is the Christ means one believes that he was the faithful servant of God Almighty.
2. The verse says one had to believe he came in the flesh. This is not a reference to the incarnation of a deity through virgin birth, of which there were plenty in the Pagan Roman world, but to Jesus' human origin.
3. Ancient people didn't refer to a deity like this:
"every spirit that does not confess Jesus..."
If John thought Jesus was deity, he would have been a lot more reverent, such as:
"every spirit that does not confess the Lord Jesus...",
but no, John simply says "Jesus".
Which means John thinks Jesus is one of us, not a deity. And those who don't confess Jesus (as a human being) are... see the above passage.
Notice how reverent John is in Revelation. Being a Jew he would not even dare to name God Almighty, lest he took His name in vain. So rather, he just says "the One who was, who is, who is to come", and "the One sitting on the throne", and so on.
But here he just says, "Jesus", and in Revelation, "one like the son of man sitting on a cloud". Clearly, to him Jesus is not deity.
The spirit of the antichrist therefore is a reference to the Pagan ideas that already infiltrated the churches, which sought to deify Jesus.
Earlier John writes:
1John 2:
18 Little children, it is the last hour. Just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not really part of us. If they had been part of us, they would have stayed with us. But by going out from us, they showed they all are not part of us.
So the Antichrist already came shortly after John wrote these words. The man of lawlessness [ie Torah-lessness], this deified man, who abrogated the Torah, who came in his own co-eternal and co-equal name and changed times and seasons [as set out in the Torah (=Instruction)] has been with us ever since. Throughout history horrendous crimes were committed in his name.
So don't wait for another. The Antichrist is not a Muslim.
On the contrary, the real Jesus, the biological son of Joseph, came in the name of God and observed His Torah. As we read in the Old Syriac Sinaitic translation (English version based on it):
Matthew 1:
16 Matthan begat Jacob; Jacob begat Joseph; Joseph, to whom was betrothed Mary the virgin ["young maiden"], begat Jesus, who is called the Christ.
1John 4:
2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ ["christ" = "anointed"] has come in the flesh is from God; 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.
Let me note that John has nothing to say to atheists or people of other religions. The are not in his thoughts. He deals with those who once belonged to the first century Jesus movement, but then adopted Pagan ideas.
A few points I need to mention:
1. "Christ" is not a title of a deity as many Christians believe, but it simply means "anointed". In ancient times human beings were anointed, that is, appointed for particular offices, such as kings or high priests. Anointing was performed by a higher authority, such as prophets, and after the age of the prophets, by the Sanhedrin, the religious council. However, in the first century the Sanhedrin was corrupt, and thus didn't qualify to anoint anyone, therefore, God alone could anoint Jesus, the son of Joseph. Confessing that Jesus is the Christ means one believes that he was the faithful servant of God Almighty.
2. The verse says one had to believe he came in the flesh. This is not a reference to the incarnation of a deity through virgin birth, of which there were plenty in the Pagan Roman world, but to Jesus' human origin.
3. Ancient people didn't refer to a deity like this:
"every spirit that does not confess Jesus..."
If John thought Jesus was deity, he would have been a lot more reverent, such as:
"every spirit that does not confess the Lord Jesus...",
but no, John simply says "Jesus".
Which means John thinks Jesus is one of us, not a deity. And those who don't confess Jesus (as a human being) are... see the above passage.
Notice how reverent John is in Revelation. Being a Jew he would not even dare to name God Almighty, lest he took His name in vain. So rather, he just says "the One who was, who is, who is to come", and "the One sitting on the throne", and so on.
But here he just says, "Jesus", and in Revelation, "one like the son of man sitting on a cloud". Clearly, to him Jesus is not deity.
The spirit of the antichrist therefore is a reference to the Pagan ideas that already infiltrated the churches, which sought to deify Jesus.
Earlier John writes:
1John 2:
18 Little children, it is the last hour. Just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not really part of us. If they had been part of us, they would have stayed with us. But by going out from us, they showed they all are not part of us.
So the Antichrist already came shortly after John wrote these words. The man of lawlessness [ie Torah-lessness], this deified man, who abrogated the Torah, who came in his own co-eternal and co-equal name and changed times and seasons [as set out in the Torah (=Instruction)] has been with us ever since. Throughout history horrendous crimes were committed in his name.
So don't wait for another. The Antichrist is not a Muslim.
On the contrary, the real Jesus, the biological son of Joseph, came in the name of God and observed His Torah. As we read in the Old Syriac Sinaitic translation (English version based on it):
Matthew 1:
16 Matthan begat Jacob; Jacob begat Joseph; Joseph, to whom was betrothed Mary the virgin ["young maiden"], begat Jesus, who is called the Christ.
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revealer24:
1John 4:
2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ ["christ" = "anointed"] has come in the flesh is from God; 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.
1. "Christ" is not a title of a deity as many Christians believe, but it simply means "anointed". In ancient times human beings were anointed, that is, appointed for particular offices, such as kings or high priests. Anointing was performed by a higher authority, such as prophets, and after the age of the prophets, by the Sanhedrin, the religious council. However, in the first century the Sanhedrin was corrupt, and thus didn't qualify to anoint anyone, therefore, God alone could anoint Jesus, the son of Joseph. Confessing that Jesus is the Christ means one believes that he was the faithful servant of God Almighty.
2. The verse says one had to believe he came in the flesh. This is not a reference to the incarnation of a deity through virgin birth, of which there were plenty in the Pagan Roman world, but to Jesus' human origin.
3. Ancient people didn't refer to a deity like this:
"every spirit that does not confess Jesus..."
If John thought Jesus was deity, he would have been a lot more reverent, such as:
"every spirit that does not confess the Lord Jesus...",
but no, John simply says "Jesus".
Which means John thinks Jesus is one of us, not a deity. And those who don't confess Jesus (as a human being) are... see the above passage.
Notice how reverent John is in Revelation. Being a Jew he would not even dare to name God Almighty, lest he took His name in vain. So rather, he just says "the One who was, who is, who is to come", and "the One sitting on the throne", and so on.
But here he just says, "Jesus", and in Revelation, "one like the son of man sitting on a cloud". Clearly, to him Jesus is not deity.
The spirit of the antichrist therefore is a reference to the Pagan ideas that already infiltrated the churches, which sought to deify Jesus.
Earlier John writes:
1John 2:
18 Little children, it is the last hour. Just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not really part of us. If they had been part of us, they would have stayed with us. But by going out from us, they showed they all are not part of us.
So the Antichrist already came shortly after John wrote these words. The man of lawlessness [ie Torah-lessness], this deified man, who abrogated the Torah, who came in his own co-eternal and co-equal name and changed times and seasons [as set out in the Torah (=Instruction)] has been with us ever since. Throughout history horrendous crimes were committed in his name.
On the contrary, the real Jesus, the biological son of Joseph, came in the name of God and observed His Torah. As we read in the Old Syriac Sinaitic translation (English version based on it):
Matthew 1:
16 Matthan begat Jacob; Jacob begat Joseph; Joseph, to whom was betrothed Mary the virgin ["young maiden"], begat Jesus, who is called the Christ.
1John 4:
2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ ["christ" = "anointed"] has come in the flesh is from God; 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.
1. "Christ" is not a title of a deity as many Christians believe, but it simply means "anointed". In ancient times human beings were anointed, that is, appointed for particular offices, such as kings or high priests. Anointing was performed by a higher authority, such as prophets, and after the age of the prophets, by the Sanhedrin, the religious council. However, in the first century the Sanhedrin was corrupt, and thus didn't qualify to anoint anyone, therefore, God alone could anoint Jesus, the son of Joseph. Confessing that Jesus is the Christ means one believes that he was the faithful servant of God Almighty.
2. The verse says one had to believe he came in the flesh. This is not a reference to the incarnation of a deity through virgin birth, of which there were plenty in the Pagan Roman world, but to Jesus' human origin.
3. Ancient people didn't refer to a deity like this:
"every spirit that does not confess Jesus..."
If John thought Jesus was deity, he would have been a lot more reverent, such as:
"every spirit that does not confess the Lord Jesus...",
but no, John simply says "Jesus".
Which means John thinks Jesus is one of us, not a deity. And those who don't confess Jesus (as a human being) are... see the above passage.
Notice how reverent John is in Revelation. Being a Jew he would not even dare to name God Almighty, lest he took His name in vain. So rather, he just says "the One who was, who is, who is to come", and "the One sitting on the throne", and so on.
But here he just says, "Jesus", and in Revelation, "one like the son of man sitting on a cloud". Clearly, to him Jesus is not deity.
The spirit of the antichrist therefore is a reference to the Pagan ideas that already infiltrated the churches, which sought to deify Jesus.
Earlier John writes:
1John 2:
18 Little children, it is the last hour. Just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not really part of us. If they had been part of us, they would have stayed with us. But by going out from us, they showed they all are not part of us.
So the Antichrist already came shortly after John wrote these words. The man of lawlessness [ie Torah-lessness], this deified man, who abrogated the Torah, who came in his own co-eternal and co-equal name and changed times and seasons [as set out in the Torah (=Instruction)] has been with us ever since. Throughout history horrendous crimes were committed in his name.
On the contrary, the real Jesus, the biological son of Joseph, came in the name of God and observed His Torah. As we read in the Old Syriac Sinaitic translation (English version based on it):
Matthew 1:
16 Matthan begat Jacob; Jacob begat Joseph; Joseph, to whom was betrothed Mary the virgin ["young maiden"], begat Jesus, who is called the Christ.
Great post and explanation - - - Just shows how people can be misled, if they don't know anything about what words and customs were in the time of "Jesus" - - - So the explanations and interpretations are done under the perception of the world they live in . . . We live in . . . . Easy to understand misconceptions and misunderstandings - - - Thou I am a firm non believer - - - I like to discuss religion and it's - - - how should I say - - - - real agendas, and what they really are all about
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Sorry for some reason at the mere mention of the word religion I get sleepy. Don't know why 
So this might be totally off target because I have not read your lengthly opening post after the word religion but I can answer the title question
Yes and he or she just hit my delete button 
I will come back later and try to read the post without falling asleep. I am serious something about religion for against it don't matter I get sleepy and fall asleep if I don't remove myself from the conversation. I surely cannot be the only one who suffers from this
So this might be totally off target because I have not read your lengthly opening post after the word religion but I can answer the title question Yes and he or she just hit my delete button I will come back later and try to read the post without falling asleep. I am serious something about religion for against it don't matter I get sleepy and fall asleep if I don't remove myself from the conversation. I surely cannot be the only one who suffers from this------ This thread is Archived ------
Happygolucky4u: Sorry for some reason at the mere mention of the word religion I get sleepy. Don't know why So this might be totally off target because I have not read your lengthly opening post after the word religion but I can answer the title question Yes and he or she just hit my delete button I will come back later and try to read the post without falling asleep. I am serious something about religion for against it don't matter I get sleepy and fall asleep if I don't remove myself from the conversation. I surely cannot be the only one who suffers from this
Hmmm, then what are you doing on a religious thread?
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revealer24: Hmmm, then what are you doing on a religious thread?
what are you doing writing such Kohl?
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I think they were three antichrists:
one died in a bomb shelter in Germany,
another one was hanged in Iraq
the third one was shot and fed to the fishes.
one died in a bomb shelter in Germany,
another one was hanged in Iraq
the third one was shot and fed to the fishes.
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Good post,in many ways....How do we read the Bible?From a religious,political,historical point of view?
There´s many ways to look at it,-personally,-I´m very found of exegethia,(explanations),and systematic theologia,so therefore I put a profan aspect on it...Not saying I´m right,far from it,-just my way of looking at thing´s...
Anti-Christ?Good question......If that sums up everything that´s not seen as "divine,good,human",-we´re definately there,and have been since mankind sat his foot upon this earth....
So yes,mankind is anything but "good"...
Anti-Christ,what is that?
Christ as a person?His words and preaching´s?His mission?
Can there be such a thing as "anti",-as God,and Jesus,-gave mankind a freewill...In other words,-you´re with me or not,accept me or not....
Jesus never made a big deal out of it,in contrary...the Gospels did....
Good post...
There´s many ways to look at it,-personally,-I´m very found of exegethia,(explanations),and systematic theologia,so therefore I put a profan aspect on it...Not saying I´m right,far from it,-just my way of looking at thing´s...
Anti-Christ?Good question......If that sums up everything that´s not seen as "divine,good,human",-we´re definately there,and have been since mankind sat his foot upon this earth....
So yes,mankind is anything but "good"...
Anti-Christ,what is that?
Christ as a person?His words and preaching´s?His mission?
Can there be such a thing as "anti",-as God,and Jesus,-gave mankind a freewill...In other words,-you´re with me or not,accept me or not....
Jesus never made a big deal out of it,in contrary...the Gospels did....
Good post...
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OP - if you are warning Christians not to read further, and non-believers are poo-poohing your views and Muslims are not interested in what you say and Jews don't believe Yoshke was the mesiah, then what sort of response do you want for this thread?
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Wow_Factor: OP - if you are warning Christians not to read further, and non-believers are poo-poohing your views and Muslims are not interested in what you say and Jews don't believe Yoshke was the mesiah, then what sort of response do you want for this thread?
Yoshke,hmm?
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Conrad73: Yoshke,hmm?
It's Yiddish, don't you know
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Thanks for taking it upon yourself to enighten everyone but personally, I find you rather obnoxious and boring 
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So let´s take a look at Jesus....He speaks about that we should love our enemies,still,-he shall return and "judge" people...
contradictions,-yes!
As for Satan,-what/who is that?
"And Satan encouraged David to gather the armies"(Swedish translation)...
Maybe Satan did,-but it leaves no answer what Satan was,-something transcedental,human?We don´t know,and will never find out...
What I personally believe,-Satan was a state of mind,-nothing more...
contradictions,-yes!
As for Satan,-what/who is that?
"And Satan encouraged David to gather the armies"(Swedish translation)...
Maybe Satan did,-but it leaves no answer what Satan was,-something transcedental,human?We don´t know,and will never find out...
What I personally believe,-Satan was a state of mind,-nothing more...
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Wow_Factor: It's Yiddish, don't you know
Yes,I know! 
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Conrad73: Yes,I know!
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revealer24: I am going to give an exposition on the following verses:
1John 4:
2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ ["christ" = "anointed"] has come in the flesh is from God; 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.
Let me note that John has nothing to say to atheists or people of other religions. The are not in his thoughts. He deals with those who once belonged to the first century Jesus movement, but then adopted Pagan ideas.
A few points I need to mention:
1. "Christ" is not a title of a deity as many Christians believe, but it simply means "anointed". In ancient times human beings were anointed, that is, appointed for particular offices, such as kings or high priests. Anointing was performed by a higher authority, such as prophets, and after the age of the prophets, by the Sanhedrin, the religious council. However, in the first century the Sanhedrin was corrupt, and thus didn't qualify to anoint anyone, therefore, God alone could anoint Jesus, the son of Joseph. Confessing that Jesus is the Christ means one believes that he was the faithful servant of God Almighty.
2. The verse says one had to believe he came in the flesh. This is not a reference to the incarnation of a deity through virgin birth, of which there were plenty in the Pagan Roman world, but to Jesus' human origin.
3. Ancient people didn't refer to a deity like this:
"every spirit that does not confess Jesus..."
If John thought Jesus was deity, he would have been a lot more reverent, such as:
"every spirit that does not confess the Lord Jesus...",
but no, John simply says "Jesus".
Which means John thinks Jesus is one of us, not a deity. And those who don't confess Jesus (as a human being) are... see the above passage.
Notice how reverent John is in Revelation. Being a Jew he would not even dare to name God Almighty, lest he took His name in vain. So rather, he just says "the One who was, who is, who is to come", and "the One sitting on the throne", and so on.
But here he just says, "Jesus", and in Revelation, "one like the son of man sitting on a cloud". Clearly, to him Jesus is not deity.
The spirit of the antichrist therefore is a reference to the Pagan ideas that already infiltrated the churches, which sought to deify Jesus.
Earlier John writes:
1John 2:
18 Little children, it is the last hour. Just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not really part of us. If they had been part of us, they would have stayed with us. But by going out from us, they showed they all are not part of us.
So the Antichrist already came shortly after John wrote these words. The man of lawlessness [ie Torah-lessness], this deified man, who abrogated the Torah, who came in his own co-eternal and co-equal name and changed times and seasons [as set out in the Torah (=Instruction)] has been with us ever since. Throughout history horrendous crimes were committed in his name.
So don't wait for another. The Antichrist is not a Muslim.
On the contrary, the real Jesus, the biological son of Joseph, came in the name of God and observed His Torah. As we read in the Old Syriac Sinaitic translation (English version based on it):
Matthew 1:
16 Matthan begat Jacob; Jacob begat Joseph; Joseph, to whom was betrothed Mary the virgin ["young maiden"], begat Jesus, who is called the Christ.
1John 4:
2 By this you know the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ ["christ" = "anointed"] has come in the flesh is from God; 3 and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world.
Let me note that John has nothing to say to atheists or people of other religions. The are not in his thoughts. He deals with those who once belonged to the first century Jesus movement, but then adopted Pagan ideas.
A few points I need to mention:
1. "Christ" is not a title of a deity as many Christians believe, but it simply means "anointed". In ancient times human beings were anointed, that is, appointed for particular offices, such as kings or high priests. Anointing was performed by a higher authority, such as prophets, and after the age of the prophets, by the Sanhedrin, the religious council. However, in the first century the Sanhedrin was corrupt, and thus didn't qualify to anoint anyone, therefore, God alone could anoint Jesus, the son of Joseph. Confessing that Jesus is the Christ means one believes that he was the faithful servant of God Almighty.
2. The verse says one had to believe he came in the flesh. This is not a reference to the incarnation of a deity through virgin birth, of which there were plenty in the Pagan Roman world, but to Jesus' human origin.
3. Ancient people didn't refer to a deity like this:
"every spirit that does not confess Jesus..."
If John thought Jesus was deity, he would have been a lot more reverent, such as:
"every spirit that does not confess the Lord Jesus...",
but no, John simply says "Jesus".
Which means John thinks Jesus is one of us, not a deity. And those who don't confess Jesus (as a human being) are... see the above passage.
Notice how reverent John is in Revelation. Being a Jew he would not even dare to name God Almighty, lest he took His name in vain. So rather, he just says "the One who was, who is, who is to come", and "the One sitting on the throne", and so on.
But here he just says, "Jesus", and in Revelation, "one like the son of man sitting on a cloud". Clearly, to him Jesus is not deity.
The spirit of the antichrist therefore is a reference to the Pagan ideas that already infiltrated the churches, which sought to deify Jesus.
Earlier John writes:
1John 2:
18 Little children, it is the last hour. Just as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have appeared. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not really part of us. If they had been part of us, they would have stayed with us. But by going out from us, they showed they all are not part of us.
So the Antichrist already came shortly after John wrote these words. The man of lawlessness [ie Torah-lessness], this deified man, who abrogated the Torah, who came in his own co-eternal and co-equal name and changed times and seasons [as set out in the Torah (=Instruction)] has been with us ever since. Throughout history horrendous crimes were committed in his name.
So don't wait for another. The Antichrist is not a Muslim.
On the contrary, the real Jesus, the biological son of Joseph, came in the name of God and observed His Torah. As we read in the Old Syriac Sinaitic translation (English version based on it):
Matthew 1:
16 Matthan begat Jacob; Jacob begat Joseph; Joseph, to whom was betrothed Mary the virgin ["young maiden"], begat Jesus, who is called the Christ.
MAN...you are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay off....
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revealer24: Hmmm, then what are you doing on a religious thread?
Sorry I haven't been sleeping good and I try to stay away from medications holistic or pharmaceutical so I just came in here to give me that little push into slumber I needed. I did come back and read your opening post. It looked longer the first time than it did this time I have read the bible. I think it is a fairy tale. I do not believe in organized religion of any kind. So I will remove myself from this area and try to refrain from any further posting on your thread. Once again so sorry ------ This thread is Archived ------
AtwoZ: Good post,in many ways....How do we read the Bible?From a religious,political,historical point of view?
There´s many ways to look at it,-personally,-I´m very found of exegethia,(explanations),and systematic theologia,so therefore I put a profan aspect on it...Not saying I´m right,far from it,-just my way of looking at thing´s...
Anti-Christ?Good question......If that sums up everything that´s not seen as "divine,good,human",-we´re definately there,and have been since mankind sat his foot upon this earth....
So yes,mankind is anything but "good"...
Anti-Christ,what is that?
Christ as a person?His words and preaching´s?His mission?
Can there be such a thing as "anti",-as God,and Jesus,-gave mankind a freewill...In other words,-you´re with me or not,accept me or not....
Jesus never made a big deal out of it,in contrary...the Gospels did....
Good post...
There´s many ways to look at it,-personally,-I´m very found of exegethia,(explanations),and systematic theologia,so therefore I put a profan aspect on it...Not saying I´m right,far from it,-just my way of looking at thing´s...
Anti-Christ?Good question......If that sums up everything that´s not seen as "divine,good,human",-we´re definately there,and have been since mankind sat his foot upon this earth....
So yes,mankind is anything but "good"...
Anti-Christ,what is that?
Christ as a person?His words and preaching´s?His mission?
Can there be such a thing as "anti",-as God,and Jesus,-gave mankind a freewill...In other words,-you´re with me or not,accept me or not....
Jesus never made a big deal out of it,in contrary...the Gospels did....
Good post...
The preposition "anti" refers to opposing something. The Jewish Yeshua, the biological son of Yosef, the husband of the young maiden, Miriam, came in the name of his God and served him by fulfilling (fully observing His Torah), while the counterfeit Christ came in his own co-equal, co-eternal name, abrogated the Torah and claimed deity. The Antichrist is therefore not a real person, but a Pagan deity derived from these Jewish religious writings about the real Jewish Yeshua, by giving these writings a heavy Hellenistic twist. Unfortunately, most Christians don't realise whom they follow.
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Wow_Factor: OP - if you are warning Christians not to read further, and non-believers are poo-poohing your views and Muslims are not interested in what you say and Jews don't believe Yoshke was the mesiah, then what sort of response do you want for this thread?
Unfortunately, many Jews are getting sucked into the Hellenistic religion without being aware of whom they are going to serve. I only warned Christians because my experience shows that dogma is such an emotional issue that very few of them can handle a challenge. I had my best friends screaming when I told them I no longer believed in the trinity. They said I was attacking their faith at the very foundation.
Muslims would not have a lot of problem with my post, though they believe in the virgin birth.
Atheists, well, I have no intention to prove that there is a God and the bible is true, simply to give an exposition. Would atheist be interested in this? Maybe, I don't know. It seems there are many who are and they are most welcome to contribute. I just don't want a flame war.
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OK, what I bring up here will be of no interest to the non-religious, though even they believe Nostradamus, who in turn actually talks about the divine spirit that showed him those visions.
Anyway, if you are a Christian, be warned, you better stop reading right here - though I am convinced that it is vital that you understand what I am going to say. Let me state again, that I have no intention to insult anyone or hurt anyone's feelings. So it is your choice, you can still turn back.