Riots in England (92)
Lerie2010: and it will all get worse .. everywhere .. I personally think we have passed the tipping point
They will hide away, or that is what they hope. Who suffered most, are small business owners, and the authorities are setting these against the yobsters, so they deal with each other, while for political elites and very wealthy it will be BAU.
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I have 6,000 baseball bats I can drop-ship on a moment's notice.
$25.00 ea.
(out of plastic bullets)
Seriously, I do hope things settle down. It really seems senseless.
All it will accomplish is a lot of damaged property and many innocent victims.
$25.00 ea.
(out of plastic bullets)
Seriously, I do hope things settle down. It really seems senseless.
All it will accomplish is a lot of damaged property and many innocent victims.
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RDM59: These communities themselves are as shocked as everybody else with the recent "riots". In general they are proud communities built up over 3 or 4 generations and are devastated by the violence and looting happening on their own doorstep.
These are not riots, they are not politically or racially motivated. They are not representative of these communities majority in any way. The people (scum) involved are relatively small groups of youths ( many already known to the police ) out for some opportunist looting and violence. The shops and business targeted confirm that.
Whether these are short lived occurrences that will peter out, who knows ? Perhaps only with mass police presence at massive cost. Londoners are a proud lot, they won't tolerate this.
Is there a deeper seed of National unrest brewing ? Yes, probably and understandable during times of recession but the scum usually rises to the top first.
And how the phenomenon of the use of public networks such as Twitter, Facebook, Blackberry have been used to coordinate these crimes in the UK, is a worry. But as seen recently in Egypt and the Middle East, these networks can be used for the greater good too. The public themselves may just put it to good use in their own defence.
These are not riots, they are not politically or racially motivated. They are not representative of these communities majority in any way. The people (scum) involved are relatively small groups of youths ( many already known to the police ) out for some opportunist looting and violence. The shops and business targeted confirm that.
Whether these are short lived occurrences that will peter out, who knows ? Perhaps only with mass police presence at massive cost. Londoners are a proud lot, they won't tolerate this.
Is there a deeper seed of National unrest brewing ? Yes, probably and understandable during times of recession but the scum usually rises to the top first.
And how the phenomenon of the use of public networks such as Twitter, Facebook, Blackberry have been used to coordinate these crimes in the UK, is a worry. But as seen recently in Egypt and the Middle East, these networks can be used for the greater good too. The public themselves may just put it to good use in their own defence.
If the riots are not politically or racially motivated, it does not mean they are not riots. The problem with 'scum' is that there is so much of it in UK. Why is it so? Should not one ask this question to oneself? Why is it that there is more crime in UK than anywhere in EU? More people in jails? More teenage pregnancies, binge drinking? Is everything fine with the society, is it normal and nothing can be done?
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joyaepace: If the riots are not politically or racially motivated, it does not mean they are not riots. The problem with 'scum' is that there is so much of it in UK. Why is it so? Should not one ask this question to oneself? Why is it that there is more crime in UK than anywhere in EU? More people in jails? More teenage pregnancies, binge drinking? Is everything fine with the society, is it normal and nothing can be done?
copied and pasted from another site. Says it all really.
"RIP Broken Britain.. You went soft on discipline!.. You went soft on immigration!You went soft on crime.. Parents were told.. 'No you can't smack the kids'....Teachers were prevented from chastising kids in schools.. The police couldn't clip a troublemaker round the ear.. Kids had rights blah blah blah.. Well done Britain..You shall reap what you sow.. We have lost a whole generation!! Copy & paste if you agree x"
Why ?
a) a defunct Empire with a guilty conscience ?
b) a dysfunctional succession of governments ?
c) a new European leader in human rights ?
d) decline in a caring society ?
e) a society that never really cared ?
Perhaps a little bit of everything.
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RDM59: copied and pasted from another site. Says it all really.
"RIP Broken Britain.. You went soft on discipline!.. You went soft on immigration!You went soft on crime.. Parents were told.. 'No you can't smack the kids'....Teachers were prevented from chastising kids in schools.. The police couldn't clip a troublemaker round the ear.. Kids had rights blah blah blah.. Well done Britain..You shall reap what you sow.. We have lost a whole generation!! Copy & paste if you agree x"
Why ?
a) a defunct Empire with a guilty conscience ?
b) a dysfunctional succession of governments ?
c) a new European leader in human rights ?
d) decline in a caring society ?
e) a society that never really cared ?
Perhaps a little bit of everything.
"RIP Broken Britain.. You went soft on discipline!.. You went soft on immigration!You went soft on crime.. Parents were told.. 'No you can't smack the kids'....Teachers were prevented from chastising kids in schools.. The police couldn't clip a troublemaker round the ear.. Kids had rights blah blah blah.. Well done Britain..You shall reap what you sow.. We have lost a whole generation!! Copy & paste if you agree x"
Why ?
a) a defunct Empire with a guilty conscience ?
b) a dysfunctional succession of governments ?
c) a new European leader in human rights ?
d) decline in a caring society ?
e) a society that never really cared ?
Perhaps a little bit of everything.
Yeah, I have read that above quote. There is something about misinterpreted human rights. IMO too much nonsensical rights and and too little practical economic rights. People need more responsibilities and more possibilities rather than endless rights talk.
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joyaepace: Yeah, I have read that above quote. There is something about misinterpreted human rights. IMO too much nonsensical rights and and too little practical economic rights. People need more responsibilities and more possibilities rather than endless rights talk.
I agree, we appear to focussing on petty social issues at the expense of true priorities.
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I have read more thoughtful and insightful comments on this thread than I have heard or read in the mainstream media
Thank you ...
to you wonderful people ...
Thank you ...
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joyaepace: Yeah, I have read that above quote. There is something about misinterpreted human rights. IMO too much nonsensical rights and and too little practical economic rights. People need more responsibilities and more possibilities rather than endless rights talk.
I think a society needs a certain amount of moral / core value guidance , many need to be led or guided. And many need reminders especially when the going gets tough. They all know their rights but are unaware of their wrongs.
Agree, some of the new rules that are coming out are pure bureaucratical nonsense.
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Class5: I agree, we appear to focussing on petty social issues at the expense of true priorities.
Hi G
but how do you rewrite the rules ?Which community would it hit first ?
Do you risk short term chaos for the long term good ?
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RDM59: Hi G but how do you rewrite the rules ?
Which community would it hit first ?
Do you risk short term chaos for the long term good ?
Which community would it hit first ?
Do you risk short term chaos for the long term good ?
Well, that's it isn't it? If only geese laid golden eggs etc.
I do not agree with this looting (I refuse to call them riots) at all. What happened to the spirit of your nation? Where is the courage and determination that pulled your nation out of the ruins of WWII?
I don't know how to fix this economic crisis and I suspect nobody does. Pointing fingers won't solve a thing.
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Class5: Well, that's it isn't it? If only geese laid golden eggs etc.
I do not agree with this looting (I refuse to call them riots) at all. What happened to the spirit of your nation? Where is the courage and determination that pulled your nation out of the ruins of WWII?
I don't know how to fix this economic crisis and I suspect nobody does. Pointing fingers won't solve a thing.
I do not agree with this looting (I refuse to call them riots) at all. What happened to the spirit of your nation? Where is the courage and determination that pulled your nation out of the ruins of WWII?
I don't know how to fix this economic crisis and I suspect nobody does. Pointing fingers won't solve a thing.
There have been many reports and stories of local heroes and vigilante groups belonging to the same communities that the attackers are coming from ( or neighbouring ones ). They are out fighting to protect their own shops and businesses. A group of 250 locals took on a group of 100 attackers and drove them off. It does not appear to be racially driven, riot groups are not entering central London ( yet ) to target white businesses, it is black on black or black on Asian as I understand. There have been a couple of attacks on some more affluent areas of London, I don't know what is going on in the other copy cat cities of the UK.
As for global economic crisis. Hold on tight !
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bonanata: The human race !
They tend to be stupid sometimes or most of the time but
Try to keep it higher : if we have survived 2000 years of stupidities maybe we can survive another 2000.
They tend to be stupid sometimes or most of the time but
Try to keep it higher : if we have survived 2000 years of stupidities maybe we can survive another 2000.
... and we have so much potential ...
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RDM59: ... and we have so much potential ...
The potential to achieve even greater things and the potential for even greater stupidity.
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RDM59: There have been many reports and stories of local heroes and vigilante groups belonging to the same communities that the attackers are coming from ( or neighbouring ones ). They are out fighting to protect their own shops and businesses. A group of 250 locals took on a group of 100 attackers and drove them off. It does not appear to be racially driven, riot groups are not entering central London ( yet ) to target white businesses, it is black on black or black on Asian as I understand. There have been a couple of attacks on some more affluent areas of London, I don't know what is going on in the other copy cat cities of the UK.
As for global economic crisis. Hold on tight !
As for global economic crisis. Hold on tight !
People are good to consolidate in critical times, but unfortunately not in day-to-day life. Speaking about attacks, there were reports that mostly these chain stores were attacked, were not they?
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Ur_Knight: absolutely... so much worse than the Vancouver riots after the Stanley Cup finals. Everyone here in Canada were totally shocked that *we* could actually have a riot here.
I read in your link were the police themselves are liable for the costs of the riots... that's going to hurt them enormously
David Cameron and many intellectuals & journalist suggest that the riot is sign of the irresponsible mindset attitude the youth have. And to me this statement raise very important question; we know the kinds of irresponsible actions UK past & present leaders took around the world including the Blair Iraq-Afghanistan and the current Cameron Libyan catastrophes; does the statement of the PM help us to understand that England is in deep crisis of moral & responsible minds probably due to the lack of punishment to those perpetuators of both local & international crimes?I read in your link were the police themselves are liable for the costs of the riots... that's going to hurt them enormously
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Ibotabo: David Cameron and many intellectuals & journalist suggest that the riot is sign of the irresponsible mindset attitude the youth have. And to me this statement raise very important question; we know the kinds of irresponsible actions UK past & present leaders took around the world including the Blair Iraq-Afghanistan and the current Cameron Libyan catastrophes; does the statement of the PM help us to understand that England is in deep crisis of moral & responsible minds probably due to the lack of punishment to those perpetuators of both local & international crimes?
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I think your agenda is all to obvious from this post.
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It is unbelievable what has happened here over the past few days...mostly it is pure thugs wanting to just cause Chaos....jobless? possibly....but then they dont want to work....they moan about eastern europeans coming here and taking their jobs...thats a joke....
today Sky news reports that "a millionaires" daughter involved in looting and she has been brought before the court.....
The minority cause mayhem for the Majority...they can use politics as the reason behind it.....in my eyes they are just Yobs, with no sense of community or pride in the country where they live.....
yes there has been spending cuts which we do not agree with....I am a single mother...2 kids.....one an apprentice.....a Youth who has been brough up with family values, respect.......those Youths rioting in our streets have not been brought up to respect.....Parents who don't care, have no time or interest in their kids......
I could go on......but it just makes me mad......
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