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Aug 18, 2011 10:05 AM CST Influential US Senator wants to cut military training and financial aid to Israel.
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
Leave aside your Bible and read some history book to know how God has protected the Jews in the last 4,000 years.

Or just search wikipedia words "Babylon," "Roman Empire", "religious persecution" and "Holocaust."
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Aug 18, 2011 10:07 AM CST Influential US Senator wants to cut military training and financial aid to Israel.
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
HuggerMan4U: Very bad idea. God has protected Israel for some 4,000 years at least. Anyone who's against Israel is against God -
fatal mistake!!!! I refuse to turn against Israel, no matter what.


Leave aside your Bible and read some history book to know how God has protected the Jews in the last 4,000 years.

Or just search wikipedia words "Babylon," "Roman Empire", "religious persecution" and "Holocaust."
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Aug 18, 2011 10:14 AM CST Influential US Senator wants to cut military training and financial aid to Israel.
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
Paldi5: U.S. Senator Patrick Leahy is promoting a bill to suspend U.S. assistance to three elite Israel Defense Forces units, alleging they are involved in human rights violations in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.

Leahy, a Democrat and senior member of the U.S. Senate, wants assistance withheld from the Israel Navy's Shayetet 13 unit, the undercover Duvdevan unit and the Israel Air Force's Shaldag unit.

Defense Minister Ehud Barak, a long-time friend of Leahy's, met with him in Washington two weeks ago to try to persuade him to withdraw the initiative.

According to a senior Israeli official in Jerusalem, Leahy began promoting the legislation in recent months after he was approached by voters in his home state of Vermont.

A few months ago, a group of pro-Palestinian protesters staged a rally across from Leahy's office, demanding that he denounce the killing by Shayetet 13 commandos of nine Turkish activists who were part of the flotilla to Gaza last May.

Leahy, who heads the Senate Appropriations Committee's sub-committee on foreign operations, was the principle sponsor of a 1997 bill prohibiting the United States from providing military assistance or funding to foreign military units suspected of human rights abuses or war crimes. The law also stipulates that the U.S. Defense Department screen foreign officers and soldiers who come to the United States for training for this purpose.

Leahy wants the new clause to become a part of the U.S. foreign assistance legislation for 2012, placing restrictions on military assistance to Israel, particularly to those three units.

Leahy says these units are responsible for harming innocent Palestinian civilians and that no system of investigation is in place to ensure that their members are not committing human rights violations. According to Leahy's proposal, U.S. military assistance to Israel would be subject to the same restrictions that apply to countries such as Egypt, Pakistan and Jordan.

The senior Israeli official said that the Israeli Embassy in Washington had been trying unsuccessfully now for some months to persuade Leahy to back down from the initiative.

Two weeks ago, during Barak's visit to Washington, Israel's ambassador to the United States, Michael Oren, asked Barak to meet with Leahy to dissuade him from promoting the legislation.

Leahy, who is on the Democratic Party's left flank, has for many years promoted human rights issues globally. He has been sharply critical of Israel in recent years, especially following Operation Cast Lead in late 2008.

However, he also signed Congressional resolutions supporting Israel's right to self-defense.

Leahy, 71, has served in the Senate for 35 years. He was a personal friend of former Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and has known Ehud Barak since the latter was IDF chief of staff.

Barak, who met with Leahy privately, was quoted by the senior Israeli official as telling the senator: "The difference between Israel and terror groups or other countries in the Middle East is that we give an accounting and there is monitoring."

Barak also said the IDF had a strict judiciary with broader powers than the judiciary in the United States armed forces.

Barak was also quoted as telling Leahy that the IDF military advocate general is not subservient to the military command, but rather to the attorney general, and has complete autonomy.


I believe all foreign aid provided by the USA should be stopped unless the recipients pay income and sales taxes to the USA! We can't afford to support the world anymore. Get a job slackers of the world.
yay peace wave
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Aug 18, 2011 10:18 AM CST Influential US Senator wants to cut military training and financial aid to Israel.
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
jvaski: I think we should take Barney Frank's advice and withdraw all military outside the USA and work on our own problems and economics NOW !

Barney Frank said that that? There may be hope for him after all! dunno laugh
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Aug 18, 2011 10:20 AM CST Influential US Senator wants to cut military training and financial aid to Israel.
galrads: I believe all foreign aid provided by the USA should be stopped unless the recipients pay income and sales taxes to the USA! We can't afford to support the world anymore. Get a job slackers of the world.
actually it is Rent for Facilities in Haifa Harbor,and Facilities to store Military Spares etc!
And Leahy knows that,but look where he hails from!laugh
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Aug 18, 2011 10:48 AM CST Influential US Senator wants to cut military training and financial aid to Israel.
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
Conrad73: actually it is Rent for Facilities in Haifa Harbor,and Facilities to store Military Spares etc!
And Leahy knows that,but look where he hails from!

laugh
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Aug 18, 2011 2:41 PM CST Influential US Senator wants to cut military training and financial aid to Israel.
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
Disaster

Meanwhile, the Zionist organizations were considering how the deportation plan could be thwarted. A general strike had little effect. The Irgun attempted unsuccessfully to place a bomb on the Patria to disable it. The Haganah also sought to disable the Patria, with the intention of forcing it to stay in port for repairs and thus buying time that could be used to pressure the British to rescind the deportation order. The officer in charge of the operation was Yitzhak Sadeh, but his authority came from Moshe Sharett, who was the leader of the Political Department of the Jewish Agency in the temporary absence of David Ben-Gurion, who had left for the United States on 22 September and did not return until 13 February, 1941.

On 22 November agents of the Haganah smuggled a two-kilogram bomb on board the ship, timed to explode at 9 pm that day. It failed to explode, and a second, more powerful device was smuggled on board on 24 November. This was secreted next to the inner hull of the ship. At 9 am on 25 November, it exploded. The effect of the explosives had been misjudged and a large hole measuring three meters by two was blown in the side of the ship, which sank in only fifteen minutes.

At the time the bomb exploded, the Patria was carrying 1,770 refugees from the Pacific and Milos and had taken on board 134 passengers from the Atlantic. Most of these were rescued by British and Arab boats that rushed to the scene However, 260 others – mostly Jewish refugees – were declared missing, with another 172 being injured. Many of the dead were trapped in the hold of the ship and were unable to escape as the ship foundered. 209 bodies were eventually recovered and buried in Haifa.

Aftermath

The surviving refugees from the Patria, together with the remaining 1,560 passengers of the Atlantic, were taken to the Atlit detention camp. Later, after an international campaign, the survivors of the Patria were given permits to remain in Palestine. However, the other Atlantic passengers were forcibly deported to Mauritius on 9 December. After the war, they were given the choice of where to go; 81% chose Palestine and arrived there in August 1945.

The role of the Haganah was not publicly revealed and a story was put out that the deportees, out of despair, had sunk the ship themselves (the version recounted, for example, by Arthur Koestler). For years the British believed that the Irgun was probably responsible. Ha-Po'el ha-Tza'ir, a newspaper of the ruling Mapai party, unaware that all of the persons responsible were Mapai leaders, lamented that "On one bitter and impetuous day, a malicious hand sank the ship." The article led Ben-Gurion's son Amos to physically assault the newspaper's editor.

Meanwhile, a bitter debate over the correctness of the operation was raging in secret within the Zionist leadership. The decision had been made by an activist faction, without consulting more moderate members according to normal procedure, and this caused serious internal divisions that persisted for many years. An effort was made to enshrine the incident as an icon of Zionist determination, but this was largely unsuccessful. Some leaders of the Jewish community in Palestine, the Yishuv, argued that the loss of life had not been in vain, as the Patria's survivors had been allowed to stay in the country. Others declared that the Haganah had had no right to risk the lives of the immigrants, as they had not decided of their own free will to become participants in the underground Jewish conflict with the British authorities.

The Haganah's role was finally publicly disclosed in 1957 when Munia Mandor, the operative who had planted the bomb, wrote an account of his activities in the Jewish underground.
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Aug 18, 2011 2:42 PM CST Influential US Senator wants to cut military training and financial aid to Israel.
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
Yes sir, a great seaport with a fine history. :)
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Aug 18, 2011 3:34 PM CST Influential US Senator wants to cut military training and financial aid to Israel.
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
The September 11 attacks (often referred to as September 11, September 11th or 9/11,[nb 1] in combination with the attacks' side effects on that day) were a series of four coordinated suicide attacks by al-Qaeda upon the United States on Tuesday, September 11, 2001. On that morning, 19 al-Qaeda terrorists hijacked four commercial passenger jet airliners. The hijackers intentionally crashed two of the airliners into the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center in New York City, killing everyone on board and thousands of those working in the buildings. Both towers collapsed within two hours, destroying nearby buildings and damaging others. A third airliner was crashed into the Pentagon. Hijackers had redirected the fourth plane toward Washington, D.C., targeting either the Capitol Building or the White House, but crashed it in a field near Shanksville in rural Pennsylvania after passengers attempted to retake control of the airliner. There were no survivors from any of the flights.
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Aug 18, 2011 3:53 PM CST Influential US Senator wants to cut military training and financial aid to Israel.
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
Very interesting story,a self-defense group who misjudge the power of a bomb and kills his own people. In very different circumstances.

I do not know the significance of write about the Hagganná, or the Irgun, or the former zionism, or copy text instead of pasting a link.

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Aug 18, 2011 4:47 PM CST Influential US Senator wants to cut military training and financial aid to Israel.
gleneagle
gleneaglegleneagleNew York City, New York USA36 Threads 3 Polls 1,147 Posts
Paldi5: Yes sir, a great seaport with a fine history. :)
Great history lesson. I suppose those guys that bombed their own people are self hating Jews. The amount of claptrap that is spouted on these forums in defense of indefensible zionist terrorism is astonishing.
You my friend rely on facts not emotion or solidarity with a religion.
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Aug 18, 2011 5:09 PM CST Influential US Senator wants to cut military training and financial aid to Israel.
GOOD.........!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...........blasted jews have enough money......and too many nuclear weapons......!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...............
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Aug 18, 2011 5:41 PM CST Influential US Senator wants to cut military training and financial aid to Israel.
Albertaghost
AlbertaghostAlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada76 Threads 5 Polls 5,914 Posts
gleneagle: Great history lesson. I suppose those guys that bombed their own people are self hating Jews. The amount of claptrap that is spouted on these forums in defense of indefensible zionist terrorism is astonishing.
You my friend rely on facts not emotion or solidarity with a religion.


Golly, it was an accident. Not like the way Hamas kills thousands of their own people on purpose when they use them as Human Shields.doh
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Aug 18, 2011 5:52 PM CST Influential US Senator wants to cut military training and financial aid to Israel.
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
gleneagle: Great history lesson. I suppose those guys that bombed their own people are self hating Jews. The amount of claptrap that is spouted on these forums in defense of indefensible zionist terrorism is astonishing.
You my friend rely on facts not emotion or solidarity with a religion.


Any Western country involved should collaborate in Israeli foreign policy to know exactly what they want their leaders, in this case I agree what you wrote.

I do not think the israeli are fighting for religious reasons but for a land whose boundaries have never been defined officially by the Israeli government. What kind of support must be given the Western alliances? to support conquest plans or self-defense?

Alliances are based on reciprocity, if they attack you help me and I'll help you, but do not look for fights without telling me, at least.
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Aug 19, 2011 1:53 AM CST Influential US Senator wants to cut military training and financial aid to Israel.
Paldi5: What do we need Haifa bay for exactly? Or Guam. Bring the military home and mothball most of the overseas bases. We don't need them. Our influence is kaput and we are broke. It's time to become isolationist like Israel is by the way... hiding as they are under there iron domes and behing their walls. We should do the same thing. Seal the borders, decommission the offensive part of the military... after we invade Canada and Mexico of course. :)
seez Clueless.
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Aug 19, 2011 1:54 AM CST Influential US Senator wants to cut military training and financial aid to Israel.
Paldi5: Yes sir, a great seaport with a fine history. :)
Totally Clewless and SB-fied!barf
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Aug 19, 2011 5:12 AM CST Influential US Senator wants to cut military training and financial aid to Israel.
wonder if Paddy reads News from Vermont?








Hey OP!

Not newsworthy,is it?
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Aug 19, 2011 5:24 AM CST Influential US Senator wants to cut military training and financial aid to Israel.
galrads: Barney Frank said that that? There may be hope for him after all!
one Campaignpromise to be promptly forgotten!rolling on the floor laughing
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Aug 19, 2011 6:12 AM CST Influential US Senator wants to cut military training and financial aid to Israel.
Wow_Factor
Wow_FactorWow_FactorLondon, Greater London, England UK45 Threads 3,698 Posts
Conrad73: wonder if Paddy reads News from Vermont?http://www.vpr.net/npr/139741693/http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/seven-killed-in-series-of-terrorist-attacks-in-southern-israel-1.379309Hey OP!

Not newsworthy,is it?


It wouldn't be as is evident from his post on the 4th post down on this link.



It was evident at that time what his views were.
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Aug 19, 2011 7:09 AM CST Influential US Senator wants to cut military training and financial aid to Israel.
Paldi5
Paldi5Paldi5unknown, Pennsylvania USA13 Threads 2,376 Posts
Wow_Factor: It wouldn't be as is evident from his post on the 4th post down on this link.



It was evident at that time what his views were.


oh, you mean this post?

"I think the Jewish people should be allowed to go live where ever they want. If you think about it, Jews have lived on every continent in almost every nation.

If they were garanteed a life secure and peaceful, a country is not needed, as this was/is one of the prime reasons the Zionist gave for its creation in the first place.

Just my humble opinion to bring a lasting peace."
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