Women behind the men ( Archived) (81)

Nov 20, 2011 8:17 PM CST Women behind the men
olaix
olaixolaixValhalla, Nordland Norway52 Threads 6 Polls 1,119 Posts
EagleWoman: Where's the ego now?


what do you mean?
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Nov 20, 2011 10:27 PM CST Women behind the men
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
olaix: Women behind the men


Just make sure “she” is a woman.

grin


Dominance takes place in human relationships and that is the sense in the sentence:

Behind a great man there is a woman.

Could we say the same but in the other way around?
Behind a great woman there is a man.


confused


When both man and woman are mature, educated and well prepared for life then it does not matter who is behind at moments.

It is more like walking or flying the path of life by each other side.


At this stage of my life,
I might enjoy being behind a man, where is that “great” man???



wine
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Nov 20, 2011 11:49 PM CST Women behind the men
olaix
olaixolaixValhalla, Nordland Norway52 Threads 6 Polls 1,119 Posts
I think the expression is subject to interpretation, obviously, the "behind" thing could be the woman "shadowed" in actuality, but if a woman is a source of power for the man, then would she not inevitably be behind him? even if no one really saw the man that often?

Just as the post is a subject to interpretation, where the general assumption ended up being the inequality of previous and certain geographical societies - the intention was a exploration of the specific chemistry that has, if it exist, a potential to enrich life. And by that, not only the mans life :p
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Nov 21, 2011 1:58 AM CST Women behind the men
olaix
olaixolaixValhalla, Nordland Norway52 Threads 6 Polls 1,119 Posts
I have a hard time believing that the greatness it is supposed to induce, is even possible if the man and the woman is in competition, which is separation and conflict, or in any imbalance at one point or the other. As I said, equality can with benefit be replaced with justice.

That this generally is the idea among people, does not really show more than that we perhaps miss the right questions, not if it is possible or not.
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Nov 21, 2011 2:04 AM CST Women behind the men
olaix
olaixolaixValhalla, Nordland Norway52 Threads 6 Polls 1,119 Posts
And I would like to know what sacrifice and generosity is and where it belongs in a relationship. Because to me that is giving and letting go without condition, while conditioned generosity and sacrifice is nothing else than strategic greed.

We can all live how we want. What we do will determine our results. What we take and what we give will determine what we get and how we get it. By all means.
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Nov 21, 2011 3:09 AM CST Women behind the men
olaix
olaixolaixValhalla, Nordland Norway52 Threads 6 Polls 1,119 Posts
Yash124g: Hi Olaix,

One example for you is the author George Elliot, though as you will see, her personal reasons may also have been a contributing facor, as well as for her work to be taken seriously..




EW, glad you liked the song, its one of my favourites..


Sorry it was not about a woman publishing stuff as a man. I used to know a guy who pretended to be a girl online, among other men and I didn't like it very much, it is reverse, although I kind of understand "George".
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Nov 21, 2011 3:14 AM CST Women behind the men
olaix
olaixolaixValhalla, Nordland Norway52 Threads 6 Polls 1,119 Posts
lifeisadream:

Dominance takes place in human relationships and that is the sense in the sentence:


At this stage of my life, I might enjoy being behind a man, where is that “great” man???


Domination: is it different or the same to the usual oppression and suppression? I question it, their respective areas of occurrence, as well as their usage seem to differ.

The great man: I have a suspicion that you can take ANY man, if you know what you are doing. Just need to sort out how :)
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Nov 21, 2011 5:44 AM CST Women behind the men
vyoleta
vyoletavyoletaArkaroola, South Australia Australia44 Threads 6 Polls 1,050 Posts
Behind every successful man there is a woman. I wouldn't put it this way. Not behind, but beside. Both partners in a sound relationship are interested to be helpful to each other concerning their professional successes. At least, I always practice it in my relationships. This is how I express my love and how I receive it from my partner. My success makes him happy and vice versa.
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Nov 21, 2011 7:22 AM CST Women behind the men
horizonrizon
horizonrizonhorizonrizonAtlantis, Central Jutland Denmark19 Threads 2 Polls 171 Posts
well first let me state my initial response to this thread ..rolling on the floor laughing
rolling on the floor laughing
rolling on the floor laughing
rolling on the floor laughing
rolling on the floor laughing
Brillant ....
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It's my mind ,let me have fun ...
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cool
behind every good women,is a good man ...they call it "woof wolf" !
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Nov 21, 2011 3:29 PM CST Women behind the men
lifeisadream
lifeisadreamlifeisadreamMexi Go, Mexico State Mexico156 Threads 20 Polls 16,713 Posts
olaix: Domination: is it different or the same to the usual oppression and suppression? I question it, their respective areas of occurrence, as well as their usage seem to differ....


The word dominance (domination) is not the most appropriate word to use, not for a healthy relationship.
A better word would be “leading” a relationship but that leadership can be shared.


olaix: ...
The great man: I have a suspicion that you can take ANY man, if you know what you are doing. Just need to sort out how :)



ANY man???

Then...can you take ANY woman?

If I know what I am doing? Would he know what he is doing?



laugh



Would you be behind a good woman?

hmmm
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Nov 21, 2011 3:48 PM CST Women behind the men
EagleWoman
EagleWomanEagleWomanMalaga, Andalusia Spain22 Threads 4,719 Posts
olaix: And I would like to know what sacrifice and generosity is and where it belongs in a relationship. Because to me that is giving and letting go without condition, while conditioned generosity and sacrifice is nothing else than strategic greed.We can all live how we want. What we do will determine our results. What we take and what we give will determine what we get and how we get it. By all means.


THAT I totally agree with.

I don't like very much the expression "sacrifice" because if someone makes the decision to let let go of an idea, project or whatever in order to facilitate something for someone else 9or for the couple) and they make that decision without coercion, surely it's a decision made from the heart.

"Sacrifice" for my has a tinge of what you describe as strategic greed.
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Nov 21, 2011 5:19 PM CST Women behind the men
single4ever
single4eversingle4everCalgary, Alberta Canada1,109 Posts
olaix: Hi, you probably heard the expression; behind every great man, there is a woman.



Only when I am kicking him in the butt. rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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Nov 21, 2011 9:10 PM CST Women behind the men
olaix
olaixolaixValhalla, Nordland Norway52 Threads 6 Polls 1,119 Posts
lifeisadream: The word dominance (domination) is not the most appropriate word to use, not for a healthy relationship.
A better word would be “leading” a relationship but that leadership can be shared.ANY man???

Then...can you take ANY woman?

If I know what I am doing? Would he know what he is doing?

Would you be behind a good woman?


I may be wrong about domination, I have never exercised it - there are two reasons, I think, why people look at it; first; its ugly, secondly; absolute power corrupts absolute - my personal reason is the second, feels like free fall into a abyss.

It is different from suppression, and oppression (again, what I believe), is that these are based on a one-way need, and enforced through manipulation, coercion.

In domination, both are perhaps well aware of what is going on, there are benefits for both (again, since I haven't engaged, I only know what other people says, but we should then be aware of what kind of people says it) it is like a agreed powerplay.

For me to engage in that sort of domination is very unlikely, but it is possible to look at it, to see the nature of it, the underlying principles, the triggers, the stimulations, and what it does. But there is a long road to domination, and and most likely unnecessary, since the principles can be found in other more innocent and peaceful concepts laugh

Yeah, I believe any man. And yeah, it means any woman. And yeah, both must be knowing what they are doing. And yeah, having a woman behind in one area, means having the man behind in another - which area, of course, is determined by the couple (applying equality, justice, mutual sacrifice and generosity etc etc in their best places), keyword balance, mutual benefit, aiming the "concentrated power" towards a means of agreed perception of value, virtue, etc etc

I am just speculating of course.
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Nov 21, 2011 9:11 PM CST Women behind the men
olaix
olaixolaixValhalla, Nordland Norway52 Threads 6 Polls 1,119 Posts
olaix: I may be wrong about domination, I have never exercised it - there are two reasons, I think, why people look at it; first; its ugly, secondly; absolute power corrupts absolute - my personal reason is the second, feels like free fall into a abyss.


Typo uh oh

Why people DON'T or REFUSE to look at it
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Nov 21, 2011 9:19 PM CST Women behind the men
olaix
olaixolaixValhalla, Nordland Norway52 Threads 6 Polls 1,119 Posts
EagleWoman: THAT I totally agree with.

I don't like very much the expression "sacrifice" because if someone makes the decision to let let go of an idea, project or whatever in order to facilitate something for someone else 9or for the couple) and they make that decision without coercion, surely it's a decision made from the heart.

"Sacrifice" for my has a tinge of what you describe as strategic greed.


Well, WHAT is to be sacrificed, is still in the dark - I don't believe that one gives away the life and lives in the kitchen for the other, it would be defeating the purpose, not helping it, don't you think?

The intention should be clean, no? intention to me seems to be of a extreme importance, not only for the spouse, but for oneself. Total honesty, and the flexibility to move away from, or adjust, if it is flawed.
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Nov 21, 2011 9:25 PM CST Women behind the men
olaix
olaixolaixValhalla, Nordland Norway52 Threads 6 Polls 1,119 Posts
EagleWoman:
"Sacrifice" for my has a tinge of what you describe as strategic greed.


Well, then it isn't sacrifice any longer, it is strategic greed, and it is important to recognize the difference.

And if you have been exposed to strategic greed, under the name of sacrifice, and you did not put it in the open, did you know what you were doing? and if you did, or could not because of your counterpart, did he know what he was doing?
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Nov 21, 2011 9:37 PM CST Women behind the men
olaix
olaixolaixValhalla, Nordland Norway52 Threads 6 Polls 1,119 Posts
To some people, some things may be more natural than to others, and in our inevitable isolation of being a individual, layers of perception are created more often than not, some positive, some negative, some important, some perceived important - personally it seems like a confusion which is making relationships difficult.

But given that in life, probably what will give you/ us most value, is a healthy relationship, it is well worth (in my opinion) to get to the bottom of what makes it and what breaks it - how what works, how what does not work. But then again, it is not suitable for people who see relationships as a "quick fix", that last as long as the mirror images, or has given up because of the overload of problems.
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Nov 21, 2011 9:42 PM CST Women behind the men
ninamil
ninamilninamilGoiania, Goias Brazil31 Threads 1 Polls 696 Posts
I believe that behind every great man there's always a woman of strong personality, controlling and jealous. He looks great but really great is the woman who controls his weak grin
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Nov 21, 2011 9:46 PM CST Women behind the men
olaix
olaixolaixValhalla, Nordland Norway52 Threads 6 Polls 1,119 Posts
On the isolation - isolation inevitably leads to resistance, perhaps one of the most important things to realize
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Nov 21, 2011 9:49 PM CST Women behind the men
olaix
olaixolaixValhalla, Nordland Norway52 Threads 6 Polls 1,119 Posts
ninamil: He looks great but really great is the woman who controls his weak


Or, controlling, or rather, contributing to his strength? confused
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