bring back the noose (98)

Jan 8, 2012 1:46 AM CST bring back the noose
Carl96190: This shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the mind of a sociopath.
They will feel remorse that they have been caught, but not for one moment do they have empathy for their victims or remorse for their actions.
Sociopaths (and in the case of the Cobby killers also psychopaths) cannot be rehabilitated. They cannot be reasoned with. The only way to stop them is to kill them.
By making their deaths at least as unpleasant as those of their victims, it will in some way provide a deterrent to others.
I have see hundreds, perhaps by this time thousands, of criminal sociopaths. They are all out of the same mould.


I understand you directed this comment at Ajax, but it was an inference as to my naivity.

It was once asked by society , "To what extent was it his biology and to what extent was it him?" The question no longer makes sense because we now understand those to be the same thing. There is no meaningful distinction between his (the criminals)biology and his decision making. They are inseparable.

The neuroscientist Wolf Singer suggested: even when we cannot measure what is wrong with the criminal's brain , we can fairly safely assume that something is wrong. His actions are sufficient evidence of a brain abnormality, even if we don't know ( and may never know) the details.

As Singer puts it, " As long as we can't identity all the causes, which we cannot and will probably never be able to do, we should grant that for everybody there is a neurobiological reason for being abnormal."
Jan 8, 2012 1:52 AM CST bring back the noose
_PrOwLeR
_PrOwLeR_PrOwLeRGold Coast, Queensland Australia46 Threads 1,047 Posts
serene56: I agree with this entirely

To me capital punishment would be reserved for those who are proven to be guilty beyond any shadow of doubt.

Those who have committed crimes which defy basic humanity, have shown themselves to be incapable of rehabilitation and would otherwise be facing life imprisonment.



I disagree .... It might start there (you know the best of intentions) but over time, we will be hanging people for spitting on the pavement ...

The HooN laws introduced to stop Illegal drag racing by impounding the offeders motor vehicles is a classic eXample of what these types of laws can do ... Just see how the HooN laws applies to so many everyday motorists today ...

I dont trust governments, police and prison officers and most of all judges .. why would we allow these people the say over whether someone lives or dies ..

No and a Huge No to Capital Punishment ...
Jan 8, 2012 2:03 AM CST bring back the noose
serene56
serene56serene56Myplace, New South Wales Australia543 Threads 10 Polls 27,960 Posts
_PrOwLeR: I disagree .... It might start there (you know the best of intentions) but over time, we will be hanging people for spitting on the pavement ...

The HooN laws introduced to stop Illegal drag racing by impounding the offeders motor vehicles is a classic eXample of what these types of laws can do ... Just see how the HooN laws applies to so many everyday motorists today ...

I dont trust governments, police and prison officers and most of all judges .. why would we allow these people the say over whether someone lives or dies ..

W

No and a Huge No to Capital Punishment ...


While it irks me in a moral sense to support capital punishment, I fail to see why we would trust those in authority to condemn an individual to a life sentence - as in 'never to be released' - as is the current situation, yet not to facilitate a humane ending to that person's life?
Jan 8, 2012 2:09 AM CST bring back the noose
_PrOwLeR
_PrOwLeR_PrOwLeRGold Coast, Queensland Australia46 Threads 1,047 Posts
serene56: While it irks me in a moral sense to support capital punishment, I fail to see why we would trust those in authority to condemn an individual to a life sentence - as in 'never to be released' - as is the current situation, yet not to facilitate a humane ending to that person's life?



never to be released can be overturned serene ... Death cannot ...
Jan 8, 2012 2:13 AM CST bring back the noose
kizzy27
kizzy27kizzy27a south coast beach, New South Wales Australia106 Threads 6 Polls 7,413 Posts
I do think that capital punishment would act as a deterent , keep in mind many murders and raaists escalate. Perhaps they may stop and concider the implications a bit more if they believed their own lives were going to be on the line ! Peodophiles know they wont get life yet they ruin lifetimes for not only the child they assault but also the families left to feel guilty the rest of their lives, Murderers kill not only the person but future generations.Ive got my own faith but Pass the switch ill pull the lever especially in this day and age where DNA means there can be no mistake !!
Jan 8, 2012 2:16 AM CST bring back the noose
serene56
serene56serene56Myplace, New South Wales Australia543 Threads 10 Polls 27,960 Posts
_PrOwLeR: never to be released can be overturned serene ... Death cannot ...



Ok call me naive, but those people are ineligible for parole along with their conviction - appeals for their release are regularly rejected (while costing tens of thousands of dollars in solicitor's fees) .. one wonders if they were given the choice, what would they choose, given that many attempt, or would if they had the means, to suicide while in prison?
Jan 8, 2012 2:22 AM CST bring back the noose
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
kizzy27: I do think that capital punishment would act as a deterent , keep in mind many murders and raaists escalate. Perhaps they may stop and concider the implications a bit more if they believed their own lives were going to be on the line ! Peodophiles know they wont get life yet they ruin lifetimes for not only the child they assault but also the families left to feel guilty the rest of their lives, Murderers kill not only the person but future generations.Ive got my own faith but Pass the switch ill pull the lever especially in this day and age where DNA means there can be no mistake !!
although DNA is not as reliable as you might think. Recently in the news and when I say recently it could be as far back as 5 years. laugh A mother and a child did not share the same DNA. From memory the mother was charged with abducting a child.

Hello Kizzy long time no see. kiss
Jan 8, 2012 2:24 AM CST bring back the noose
_PrOwLeR
_PrOwLeR_PrOwLeRGold Coast, Queensland Australia46 Threads 1,047 Posts
serene56: Ok call me naive, but those people are ineligible for parole along with their conviction - appeals for their release are regularly rejected (while costing tens of thousands of dollars in solicitor's fees) .. one wonders if they were given the choice, what would they choose, given that many attempt, or would if they had the means, to suicide while in prison?



Yes suicide in prison ... the black fellas have done this for many, many years .. some dont even wait to get to Jail ... they off themselves in Police cells ....

It is niave to believe in the eye for an eye method .. I mean this is so 1950's ... still whatever gets us by is what its about I spose ..

Nice to see you here again serene ... wanna come ad mess aound in the Hay cart over there with me ?? ... dunno


Oh struth who parked the sewerage cart here ... DamN It ...

serene ... whatever ya do SweeTy DONT jump in HuN .... drinking


just going for a shower bbl ......
Jan 8, 2012 2:29 AM CST bring back the noose
serene56
serene56serene56Myplace, New South Wales Australia543 Threads 10 Polls 27,960 Posts
_PrOwLeR: Nice to see you here again serene ... wanna come ad mess aound in the Hay cart over there with me ?? ... Oh struth who parked the sewerage cart here ... DamN It ...

serene ... whatever ya do SweeTy DONT jump in HuN .... just going for a shower bbl ......


OH P!! your sooo romantic smitten


Hold me back someone drinking
Jan 8, 2012 2:34 AM CST bring back the noose
_PrOwLeR
_PrOwLeR_PrOwLeRGold Coast, Queensland Australia46 Threads 1,047 Posts
serene56: OH P!! your sooo romantic Hold me back someone








...... wow ............ laugh ................ drinking
Jan 8, 2012 2:37 AM CST bring back the noose
kizzy27
kizzy27kizzy27a south coast beach, New South Wales Australia106 Threads 6 Polls 7,413 Posts
serene56: OH P!! your sooo romantic Hold me back someone
rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
Jan 8, 2012 2:51 AM CST bring back the noose
kizzy27
kizzy27kizzy27a south coast beach, New South Wales Australia106 Threads 6 Polls 7,413 Posts
AgentAjax: everything cos its hot here today

havin visuals Ajax
Jan 8, 2012 4:05 AM CST bring back the noose
Martia
MartiaMartiabenalla, Victoria Australia141 Threads 1 Polls 2,888 Posts
I too believe in the death penalty,how often do you see these murderers using the law to appeal one thing or another costing the tax payer millions.

p*dophile should be gelded and given a life sentence no ifs or buts as these morons cannot be rehabilitated.frustrated sigh
Jan 8, 2012 2:52 PM CST bring back the noose
AgentAjax: although DNA is not as reliable as you might think. Recently in the news and when I say recently it could be as far back as 5 years. A mother and a child did not share the same DNA. From memory the mother was charged with abducting a child.

Hello Kizzy long time no see.


Let's look to the UK for a little more evidence. Up to 500, 000 errors in the DNA database...





Also in Australia, in 2008 a man was convicted with DNA evidence, received a 9 month suspended sentence ... only for the DNA evidence to be wrong and the police had to contact him so he could have the sentence overturned.

While there is room for error in DNA evidence... it is questionable whether they should be condemned based on this evidence alone. As it seems it has on a lesser crime.

I do believe people should be held accountable for crimes.
Jan 8, 2012 2:53 PM CST bring back the noose
kizzy27
kizzy27kizzy27a south coast beach, New South Wales Australia106 Threads 6 Polls 7,413 Posts
Martia: I too believe in the death penalty,how often do you see these murderers using the law to appeal one thing or another costing the tax payer millions.

p*dophile should be gelded and given a life sentence no ifs or buts as these morons cannot be rehabilitated.
thumbs up
Jan 8, 2012 5:56 PM CST bring back the noose
Nature123
Nature123Nature123Australia, Queensland Australia68 Threads 2 Polls 739 Posts
That's murder,people do bad things,I went on a tour of Fremantle prison,the area where they used to hang people was terrible ,the whole prison was terrible,I would never like to go to any prison.

If some one I knew was charged with a crime and hanging was the punishment I would fight so hard for that not to happen and I am sure a lot of you would too.

It's easy to joke about things but really about people's lives come on.

Look at the girl who shot an intruder she was defending herself and child, yet the other intruder got charged with the murder of his mate. Work that one out.
Jan 8, 2012 6:10 PM CST bring back the noose
robplum
robplumrobplumEnsay, Victoria Australia107 Threads 1 Polls 12,031 Posts
Its of course stupidity, idiots harshly judging the karama's of others, the hanged person take rebirth as so called victim in next life and the same people to lazy to study reality will be crying over another victim, if the victim didn't create the karma to be a victim in the first place the victim wouldn't have been murdered in the first place. And yes i know that's far to complicated for most of your minds to understand because you to lazy to closely examine other views. Shame on all of you that promote murder because of your ignorance. The information is available to everyone that takes the time to look, no excuse pick your acts up if you gunner promote murder
Christians its disgusting where you go with your ignorance
yeah i got mine to but no excuse when your promoting murder
Jan 8, 2012 6:18 PM CST bring back the noose
Carl96190
Carl96190Carl96190Gold Coast, Queensland Australia5 Threads 857 Posts
robplum: Its of course stupidity, idiots harshly judging the karama's of others, the hanged person take rebirth as so called victim in next life and the same people to lazy to study reality will be crying over another victim, if the victim didn't create the karma to be a victim in the first place the victim wouldn't have been murdered in the first place. And yes i know that's far to complicated for most of your minds to understand because you to lazy to closely examine other views. Shame on all of you that promote murder because of your ignorance. The information is available to everyone that takes the time to look, no excuse pick your acts up if you gunner promote murder
Christians its disgusting where you go with your ignorance
yeah i got mine to but no excuse when your promoting murder


It is not murder to kill a criminal, or to kill someone in self defence.
As for the Christians, perhaps you should take another look at the Bible. The Old Testament, in particular Leviticus, is full of offences for which the death penalty is mandated.
If you think that it is good for your karma to lie down and let some scumbag murder you or your woman, then that is your decision.
Not for me. If someone (or a group of people) attack me or mine, one of two things is going to happen. Either they will leave in a body bag/s, or I will.
Jan 8, 2012 6:33 PM CST bring back the noose
Nature123
Nature123Nature123Australia, Queensland Australia68 Threads 2 Polls 739 Posts
Commandment do not commit murder

Really how stupid are some of you people


If you carnt say something nice about some one don't say any thing at all.
Jan 8, 2012 7:18 PM CST bring back the noose
Carl96190
Carl96190Carl96190Gold Coast, Queensland Australia5 Threads 857 Posts
Nature123: Commandment do not commit murder

Really how stupid are some of you people If you carnt say something nice about some one don't say any thing at all.


What do you class as murder?
The Biblical definition of murder is an ancient Hebrew word that means wanton and unjustifiable killing, rather like someone beating an old woman to death for her pension money.
To kill someone who is attacking you, or a judicial execution, or to kill someone during the course of a war, is NOT murder within the Biblical definition.
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