Helping the unhelpable (55)

Apr 27, 2012 9:52 PM CST Helping the unhelpable
daggyone
daggyonedaggyoneWonthaggi, Victoria Australia143 Threads 14 Polls 1,963 Posts
epirb: pity we can't rub bad parents noses into something to make them look after their kids , I do have some ideas , but would rather keep them to myself as I don't think viks would be strong enough.
If we started doing that, we would have to put half the dept. off that look after abused kids.
I like how some US states fine bad parents whose kids repeatedly offend.
Apr 27, 2012 10:08 PM CST Helping the unhelpable
epirb
epirbepirbDannevirke, Hawke's Bay New Zealand32 Threads 2 Polls 7,379 Posts
daggyone: If we started doing that, we would have to put half the dept. off that look after abused kids.
I like how some US states fine bad parents whose kids repeatedly offend.
that would only work if you locked em up till the fine was paid in full , the rubbish don't bother paying fines here . If you had to pay to get out of jail other family members paying up might keep the rubbish in line .
Apr 27, 2012 10:10 PM CST Helping the unhelpable
daggyone
daggyonedaggyoneWonthaggi, Victoria Australia143 Threads 14 Polls 1,963 Posts
epirb: that would only work if you locked em up till the fine was paid in full , the rubbish don't bother paying fines here . If you had to pay to get out of jail other family members paying up might keep the rubbish in line .
the jail time would be far too expensive, end up costing more than the offence their kids committed.
Apr 27, 2012 10:23 PM CST Helping the unhelpable
epirb
epirbepirbDannevirke, Hawke's Bay New Zealand32 Threads 2 Polls 7,379 Posts
daggyone: the jail time would be far too expensive, end up costing more than the offence their kids committed.
there Daggy is the problem , won't pay their fines , to dear to lock im up .-------------> sort that and you fix the riddle of life ,make im pay for their stay BEFORE the get out and their fine too .
Apr 27, 2012 10:32 PM CST Helping the unhelpable
kizzy27
kizzy27kizzy27a south coast beach, New South Wales Australia106 Threads 6 Polls 7,413 Posts
You can have the best family life and relationship and some kids still end up rebelling, many teens go astray thru getting involved with the wrong people,If the person has the basic right and wrong firmly planted in their upbringing & a great sence of self worth they will usually get thru it if not well its a long road ....
Apr 27, 2012 10:42 PM CST Helping the unhelpable
epirb
epirbepirbDannevirke, Hawke's Bay New Zealand32 Threads 2 Polls 7,379 Posts
kizzy27: You can have the best family life and relationship and some kids still end up rebelling, many teens go astray thru getting involved with the wrong people,If the person has the basic right and wrong firmly planted in their upbringing & a great sence of self worth they will usually get thru it if not well its a long road ....
3 of my kids milk cows Kizzy 4.30 am starts , long days . Come 8 pm all they want to do is sleep laugh , could happly pass on their last two years at high school though , kids just went nuts , talk in riddles . TV, cell phones , web , girls more girls frustrated frustrated frustrated
Apr 27, 2012 11:28 PM CST Helping the unhelpable
daggyone
daggyonedaggyoneWonthaggi, Victoria Australia143 Threads 14 Polls 1,963 Posts
epirb: there Daggy is the problem , won't pay their fines , to dear to lock im up .-------------> sort that and you fix the riddle of life ,make im pay for their stay BEFORE the get out and their fine too .
these kids should have something like a National Service tour of Aphganistan over their heads,
ie: muck up and your life will be on the line in combat roles, that'll sort the troubled youth out.

I notice more people die from suicide in the USA after a tour of duty than die on the front line in the war zone.
Apr 28, 2012 12:02 AM CST Helping the unhelpable
epirb
epirbepirbDannevirke, Hawke's Bay New Zealand32 Threads 2 Polls 7,379 Posts
daggyone: these kids should have something like a National Service tour of Aphganistan over their heads,
ie: muck up and your life will be on the line in combat roles, that'll sort the troubled youth out.

I notice more people die from suicide in the USA after a tour of duty than die on the front line in the war zone.
they got to know someone or thing is tougher than them , makes us pay our taxes, rates , having something to lose keeps people in line , break that and its a free for all , jail is the best housing and food some will ever have .
Apr 28, 2012 12:19 AM CST Helping the unhelpable
Martia
MartiaMartiabenalla, Victoria Australia141 Threads 1 Polls 2,888 Posts
This thread is very well named for the work my guy does,he teaches teenagers to accept the world for what it is,as I have said before they have problems either being born with them or or have it thrust upon them through an awful family situation.

About 70% of them will improve enough to become useful members of society but that 25% can never improve enough as they will just become part of the system and end up in Jail just clogging it up.

The other 5% could become another Martin Bryant as they are so far gone like wounded animals they hit out at everything as the hate and the hurt is so deep.

There are very few schools like this in Aus and when it becomes time to leave at about 17yrs there are no facilities out there to carry on with the 25% left.

That brings us to that 5% who live in the world of darkness just pray they dont breed or move in next door.

blues
Apr 28, 2012 4:11 AM CST Helping the unhelpable
wash2u
wash2uwash2uMelbourne, Victoria Australia79 Threads 1 Polls 3,768 Posts
kizzy27: You can have the best family life and relationship and some kids still end up rebelling, many teens go astray thru getting involved with the wrong people,If the person has the basic right and wrong firmly planted in their upbringing & a great sence of self worth they will usually get thru it if not well its a long road ....


Being a Baby Boomer, changes were happening nearly every day. All of a sudden we had rockin 'n rollin. Next thing was TV. And then came along Gidget and Frankie showing us how good the beach scene was. The Beatles went of on a Magical Mystery Tour and then we were hit by the Rolling Stones. Then I learnt about Puberty Blues (written about what we went through). May of stopped my run associated with the Angels (it was the Bandititos & co that led me to a different life).

It is our educators (our parents, our school teachers and our peers), who give us direction and let us make our choices. My parents gave me values, my teachers drummed in many things (including socialism) but it was my peers that I tried to emulate. But life lessons learnt along the way guide me.

Advise, whether right or wrong, is always given. It is the choice of the individual to accept it. But it is "I" who must take responsibility to accept that I have accepted that advice, whether it is right or wrong in the outcome.

As my mum said, "I have the smartest grandchildren on the planet as my children knew more than me and their children know more than them."
Apr 28, 2012 7:20 AM CST Helping the unhelpable
Martia
MartiaMartiabenalla, Victoria Australia141 Threads 1 Polls 2,888 Posts
wash2u: Being a Baby Boomer, changes were happening nearly every day. All of a sudden we had rockin 'n rollin. Next thing was TV. And then came along Gidget and Frankie showing us how good the beach scene was. The Beatles went of on a Magical Mystery Tour and then we were hit by the Rolling Stones. Then I learnt about Puberty Blues (written about what we went through). May of stopped my run associated with the Angels (it was the Bandititos & co that led me to a different life).

It is our educators (our parents, our school teachers and our peers), who give us direction and let us make our choices. My parents gave me values, my teachers drummed in many things (including socialism) but it was my peers that I tried to emulate. But life lessons learnt along the way guide me.

Advise, whether right or wrong, is always given. It is the choice of the individual to accept it. But it is "I" who must take responsibility to accept that I have accepted that advice, whether it is right or wrong in the outcome.

As my mum said, "I have the smartest grandchildren on the planet as my children knew more than me and their children know more than them."


We go through life living in these changes I treasure the memories
Of that era,in country England we had small groups of bikie gangs from the villages all around there were no Wars between them just a bit of cheeky bantering when they met up in one of the Rock an Roll Cafes in every small town.

Now and then a group of London boys strutted through in their Italian suits and winkle pickers with the local boys muttering in the corner.I treasure those times and I often wonder what my Granddaughter will have to contend with in this media world.

Oh happy days says the old lady tapping away on her Computer.typing sigh
Apr 28, 2012 7:46 AM CST Helping the unhelpable
jem1964
jem1964jem1964Foothills of Dandenongs, Victoria Australia30 Threads 1 Polls 2,441 Posts
kizzy27: You can have the best family life and relationship and some kids still end up rebelling, many teens go astray thru getting involved with the wrong people,If the person has the basic right and wrong firmly planted in their upbringing & a great sence of self worth they will usually get thru it if not well its a long road ....


thumbs up
and always remember that parents are not responsible for childrens actions, they do have their own free mind.

To watch parents blame themselves for their childs bad behavior or criminal actions is heartbreaking.
Not all can be blamed on the upbringing, sometimes bad apples come off an otherwise good tree
Apr 28, 2012 7:44 PM CST Helping the unhelpable
wash2u
wash2uwash2uMelbourne, Victoria Australia79 Threads 1 Polls 3,768 Posts
jem1964: and always remember that parents are not responsible for childrens actions, they do have their own free mind.

To watch parents blame themselves for their childs bad behavior or criminal actions is heartbreaking.
Not all can be blamed on the upbringing, sometimes bad apples come off an otherwise good tree


But it is a parent's resposibility to teach children. What they do with what they have learnt is up to them.

I was in a Community Participation workshop a week ago and the presentor was telling us about a Soup Kitchen in US deep south he visited. The Minister's story is that 50-60 homeless, helpless people would show up each day, grab a meal amd shamble off. Same story every day. A young girl starts working there and after a week says to the Minsiter "We are wasting our time doing this, I can't see it making any difference to them."

Next day he calls her in (was too shocked before) and discussed it with her. She said "We are feeding them, but not really helping them toget their lives back to something better."

After much thought, he started going down to the tables and talking with them. Turned out nearly half said they liked to cook. So they started getting some in to help cook. And those that had real talent have gone on to get jobs cooking and their lives back together. Now all the cooks in the Soup Kitchen are those 'poor pathetic helpless' people. And many others had skills they said they wanted to do. Now they help out in the community doing handyman work with many going back into the workforce.

Some just need direction, some a helping hand. And there are those who are beyond helping or simply don't want it.
Apr 28, 2012 7:53 PM CST Helping the unhelpable
jem1964
jem1964jem1964Foothills of Dandenongs, Victoria Australia30 Threads 1 Polls 2,441 Posts
wash2u: But it is a parent's resposibility to teach children. What they do with what they have learnt is up to them.

You can teach someone everything, but it doesnt mean they will listen.

You can only teach what the person/child wants to learn.

To watch parents blame themselves, ostracise themselves because of a childs actions is heart breaking. The parents feel that they let the child down. Heartbreaking especially when the child is an adult and knew what they were doing, and that it WAS wrong.

Sometimes it is not the parents fault, a persons free will does come into it.
Apr 28, 2012 8:24 PM CST Helping the unhelpable
Martia
MartiaMartiabenalla, Victoria Australia141 Threads 1 Polls 2,888 Posts
The trouble is when a child misbehaves there has to be Consequences for their actions.

The School teachers are finding it so hard today because if a child misbehaves and has not been punished for it
they have to back off as no boundaries have been set for them by their Parents.... it Starts with them .

I dont mean give them a smack, for instance it my Grandchild is naughty she used to be sent to her bedroom,now its being banned from using her Play station and Computer, if she argues the time doubles and so on she knows now there will be CONSEQUENCES and that will hold her in good stead for the rest of her life we hope.

I know there are so many other variables of course I realise that,I am just getting back to basics and if those parents just follow that simple rule they have done their best by their child
and can do no more.

dunno
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