Gun History (68)
Rumple4skin: For years before England brought in gun laws we still didn't buy guns.
Our law on guns matches our culture, you see.
Our law on guns matches our culture, you see.
Britain has never learned anything from Sir William Wallace, have they.
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IamTab: Maybe you don't know the citizens here in the US own 4 guns for every 1 gun of the US military.
Here in "The South" ( the south eastern US ) some families own well 500 guns and huge stock of ammo.
This do not count the Bows and Crossbows many hunters use either.
Here we grow up out in the woods shooting squirrels out of trees 40 ft tall and 100 yrds away as boys not yet 10 years old. By the time we reach 30 many learn to shoot squirrels in the head from that distance to get more meat.
So body armor and bullet proof vests don't stop a bullet hitting you in the eye from 100 yrds away. A 22 can be silenced with a plastic bottle. They would never hear the round fired, just drop dead on the spot.
Stick your head out of a tank hatch and you could die instantly.
Stick a small log in the track of a tank and it goes no where.
Guess what "WE" now have that tank!!!
Many here go out to hunt and fish for a month or at time, even in the dead of winter. We can sneak up on deer and rabbits.
A soldier would be much easier!! And he would never hear us coming or see us as we wear camo clothes a lot here just to go into town.
Here in "The South" ( the south eastern US ) some families own well 500 guns and huge stock of ammo.
This do not count the Bows and Crossbows many hunters use either.
Here we grow up out in the woods shooting squirrels out of trees 40 ft tall and 100 yrds away as boys not yet 10 years old. By the time we reach 30 many learn to shoot squirrels in the head from that distance to get more meat.
So body armor and bullet proof vests don't stop a bullet hitting you in the eye from 100 yrds away. A 22 can be silenced with a plastic bottle. They would never hear the round fired, just drop dead on the spot.
Stick your head out of a tank hatch and you could die instantly.
Stick a small log in the track of a tank and it goes no where.
Guess what "WE" now have that tank!!!
Many here go out to hunt and fish for a month or at time, even in the dead of winter. We can sneak up on deer and rabbits.
A soldier would be much easier!! And he would never hear us coming or see us as we wear camo clothes a lot here just to go into town.
My uncle lives in Texas. Just moved from Dallas to Knoxville actually. He told me before that if any state, Texas even, were to declare independence from the Union, the Federal Government would bring everything to bear on that State to make it not happen. And would kill whoever and as many as necessary. This was already tried: The Civil War. Don't think for a second that the Federalists wouldn't hesitate for a second to kill as many or more again to maintain the Union.
Gun ownership is admirable, BTW. I don't have one myself but I will. But to suggest that hunters could withstand the full force of the 101st Airborne is laughable. Not to mention the 1st Armoured.
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MADDOG69: My uncle lives in Texas. Just moved from Dallas to Knoxville actually. He told me before that if any state, Texas even, were to declare independence from the Union, the Federal Government would bring everything to bear on that State to make it not happen. And would kill whoever and as many as necessary. This was already tried: The Civil War. Don't think for a second that the Federalists wouldn't hesitate for a second to kill as many or more again to maintain the Union.
Gun ownership is admirable, BTW. I don't have one myself but I will. But to suggest that hunters could withstand the full force of the 101st Airborne is laughable. Not to mention the 1st Armoured.
Gun ownership is admirable, BTW. I don't have one myself but I will. But to suggest that hunters could withstand the full force of the 101st Airborne is laughable. Not to mention the 1st Armoured.
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There you go again. 
The number of registered hunters in America outnumbers all the armed forces presently in the world. Hunters know how to use, maintain and supply their firearms. In America, Hunters and or firearm owners here and our military are really one and the same anyways.
Let's all hear it for Jimi Hendrix and his 101st Airborne unit as they played the start spangled banner. It's the 82nd airborne you want to worry about if you need to worry about anything. They taught everything the 101st know.
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galrads: Well, I can't debate about what Mel Gibson is now. Loved his act, though, years ago in productions like mad max.
Just a joke on the Scots there, I couldn't help myself.
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galrads: OMG There you go again. The number of registered hunters in America outnumbers all the armed forces presently in the world.
Hunters know how to use, maintain and supply their firearms. In America, Hunters and or firearm owners here and our military are really one and the same anyways.
Let's all hear it for Jimi Hendrix and his 101st Airborne unit as they played the start spangled banner. It's the 82nd airborne you want to worry about if you need to worry about anything. They taught everything the 101st know.
Hunters know how to use, maintain and supply their firearms. In America, Hunters and or firearm owners here and our military are really one and the same anyways.
Let's all hear it for Jimi Hendrix and his 101st Airborne unit as they played the start spangled banner. It's the 82nd airborne you want to worry about if you need to worry about anything. They taught everything the 101st know.
Did all those 'Registered Hunters' save the Confederacy? No... because many of the folk were on the Union side. So I don't see your point. The most realistic scenario I can see where some citizens would be against the armed forces is in a secession event. IN which case, the majority would crush the minority, using the armed forces. Which is what happened before, and would happen again.
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galrads: Well, I can't debate about what Mel Gibson is now. Loved his act, though, years ago in productions like mad max.
Must say I was fan of Mad Max, too. Which is just as well seen as that's what's going to happen.
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Listening to un-armed non-Americans trying to sound knowledge about firearms, self defense and the US 2nd Amendment is like me talking about good places to eat on Venus!
No Machine gun, tank, or plane can operate itself and the solder that does is quite vulnerable to a handgun. The French used thousands of cheap single shot "Liberator" pistols airdropped by the Americans to arm themselves with captured rifles and heaver ordinance from their German Invaders.
If you don't know what you are talking about why even post?
No Machine gun, tank, or plane can operate itself and the solder that does is quite vulnerable to a handgun. The French used thousands of cheap single shot "Liberator" pistols airdropped by the Americans to arm themselves with captured rifles and heaver ordinance from their German Invaders.
If you don't know what you are talking about why even post?
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Centurion16:
No Machine gun, tank, or plane can operate itself and the solder that does is quite vulnerable to a handgun. The French used thousands of cheap single shot "Liberator" pistols airdropped by the Americans to arm themselves with captured rifles and heaver ordinance from their German Invaders.
No Machine gun, tank, or plane can operate itself and the solder that does is quite vulnerable to a handgun. The French used thousands of cheap single shot "Liberator" pistols airdropped by the Americans to arm themselves with captured rifles and heaver ordinance from their German Invaders.
So why bother with D-Day then.
The French resistance were good, but not THAT good.Centurion16:
If you don't know what you are talking about why even post?
If you don't know what you are talking about why even post?
Why post then.
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MADDOG69: Did all those 'Registered Hunters' save the Confederacy? No... because many of the folk were on the Union side. So I don't see your point. The most realistic scenario I can see where some citizens would be against the armed forces is in a secession event. IN which case, the majority would crush the minority, using the armed forces. Which is what happened before, and would happen again.
Learn history!! The South drove out the Union Army TWICE!!
We decimated the union soldiers so that Lincoln had to do the Emancipation Proclamation. That gave him the troops for a 3rd March into the south, and they burned EVERYTHING in their wake.
Lincoln lied to the blacks and promised them land which they never got for their service.
The Southerns never wished to destroy the Union. We needed to stop the carpet baggers from taking all the profit from our farming. They ran the transport system for all the goods, and charged so much it left nothing for the farmers.
So yes the hunters can and have decimated vast armies many times!!
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MADDOG69: Did all those 'Registered Hunters' save the Confederacy? No... because many of the folk were on the Union side. So I don't see your point. The most realistic scenario I can see where some citizens would be against the armed forces is in a secession event. IN which case, the majority would crush the minority, using the armed forces. Which is what happened before, and would happen again.
You have no idea what you are babbling about. The Union forces were well much better suppled as most manufacturing was done in the North at the time of the Civil War. The South was simply out-manufactured and under suppled.
The outcome of the war had little to do with the numbers of armed forces available to each faction. If the South had pressed hard at the Battle of Bull Run (1st) (Manassas, Virginia) after the collapse of Union forces the South would have been able to press on to Washington, DC seizing the capital and ending the war as a Southern Victory years earlier. However the Confederate Army did not peruse the fleeing Union Solders, the general consensuses being that the battle was symbolic for the South and was designed to stem Northern Aggression and Lincoln's tyranny.
Crack a book sometime.
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This is why I'm totally against gun registration. The first thing Germany did was to go around to all the listed gun owners and confiscate the guns. Thank goodness, there are plenty of gun owners in the U.S. who would gladly die before they would give up a single gun.
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MADDOG69: So why bother with D-Day then. The French resistance were good, but not THAT good.Why post then.
So let me get this straight, you are arguing that because a single shot disposable pistol did not prevent the need for D-Day, it was useless? That the French Patricians that used it to arm themselves with captured German weapons was foolish in their effort.
What a ridiculous argument.
While we are on the subject, the UK begged firearms from the Americans during WWII, including pistols, and millions of your American cousins answered the call with donations. They were mostly used by civil defense, but some of the fine hunting rifles were refitted as Sniper Rifles. THis was necessary because your country was so through with its own gun control efforts that they had destroyed most of the firearms needed for this purpose.
Too bad that you were not around then to tell them how futile it all was.
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JeanKimberley: no wonder the Scottish folk take umbridge with those English idiots spewing silliness -
no wonder those folks over the pond send your red coats a packing.......
no wonder those folks over the pond send your red coats a packing.......
Send us packing? Naaa... our heart was never in it.
Thirty years later we sailed up the Delawere and burnt down the White House, just to prove the point.
I'm asking for it now.
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IamTab: Learn history!! The South drove out the Union Army TWICE!!
We decimated the union soldiers so that Lincoln had to do the Emancipation Proclamation. That gave him the troops for a 3rd March into the south, and they burned EVERYTHING in their wake.
Lincoln lied to the blacks and promised them land which they never got for their service.
The Southerns never wished to destroy the Union. We needed to stop the carpet baggers from taking all the profit from our farming. They ran the transport system for all the goods, and charged so much it left nothing for the farmers.
So yes the hunters can and have decimated vast armies many times!!
We decimated the union soldiers so that Lincoln had to do the Emancipation Proclamation. That gave him the troops for a 3rd March into the south, and they burned EVERYTHING in their wake.
Lincoln lied to the blacks and promised them land which they never got for their service.
The Southerns never wished to destroy the Union. We needed to stop the carpet baggers from taking all the profit from our farming. They ran the transport system for all the goods, and charged so much it left nothing for the farmers.
So yes the hunters can and have decimated vast armies many times!!
The end game is the Federal powers will as you said burn "EVERYTHING in their wake" to keep the Union together. Once they have approval from a sufficient number of folk and a acquiescent military of sufficient size, they'll do it. That's all I'm trying to say.
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What a subject to get people on both sides of the argument to support their belief and rally the folk to support their cause by using history, religion, statistics, etc -
It's all about people that change the course of history for valiant and not so valiant directions and guns are the modern version of the bow and arrow days....
It's like the golden rule - she who has the gold rules.... he who has the guns....
It's all about people that change the course of history for valiant and not so valiant directions and guns are the modern version of the bow and arrow days....
It's like the golden rule - she who has the gold rules.... he who has the guns....
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Rumple4skin: Send us packing? Naaa... our heart was never in it.Thirty years later we sailed up the Delawere and burnt down the White House, just to prove the point. I'm asking for it now.
thought that was the Canadians..... before they were called Canadians upper and lower Canada and the British Loyalists etc, etc.
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Centurion16: You have no idea what you are babbling about. The Union forces were well much better suppled as most manufacturing was done in the North at the time of the Civil War. The South was simply out-manufactured and under suppled.
The outcome of the war had little to do with the numbers of armed forces available to each faction. If the South had pressed hard at the Battle of Bull Run (1st) (Manassas, Virginia) after the collapse of Union forces the South would have been able to press on to Washington, DC seizing the capital and ending the war as a Southern Victory years earlier. However the Confederate Army did not peruse the fleeing Union Solders, the general consensuses being that the battle was symbolic for the South and was designed to stem Northern Aggression and Lincoln's tyranny.
Crack a book sometime.
The outcome of the war had little to do with the numbers of armed forces available to each faction. If the South had pressed hard at the Battle of Bull Run (1st) (Manassas, Virginia) after the collapse of Union forces the South would have been able to press on to Washington, DC seizing the capital and ending the war as a Southern Victory years earlier. However the Confederate Army did not peruse the fleeing Union Solders, the general consensuses being that the battle was symbolic for the South and was designed to stem Northern Aggression and Lincoln's tyranny.
Crack a book sometime.
Listen. I've seen hundred page arguments on fora for years between Northerns(And New Englanders living in the South lol) and Southerners on the American Civil War. It's still a hotly debated subject as far as I can see. The minutia doesn't interest me apart from my own ancestors who fought in it. IN terms of this discussion, what I'm trying to show is that Lincoln DID go to huge lengths to maintain the Union. And so will every President in DC. Some of you are arguing that a localised militia would stop this? Not a chance.
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Rumple4skin: Must say I was fan of Mad Max, too. Which is just as well seen as that's what's going to happen.
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JeanKimberley: thought that was the Canadians..... before they were called Canadians upper and lower Canada and the British Loyalists etc, etc.
Nope - and I know you'd love to blame the Canadians - it was us with the troops we had to spare after finishing off Bonaparte.
All in the past now, it's not likely to happen again.
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Our law on guns matches our culture, you see.
Like Switzerland, in history she was renowned as Europe's thieves, highwaymen and robber barons.
Today, she's renowned for tax dodging, guns and secret bank accounts.
A land never changes its character.