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Aug 23, 2012 12:55 PM CST Gun History
galrads: How can they make such changes to a "constitution" without public meetings. Even the US EPA here is required to have public meetings for most issues before change can be made to rules, regulations and subsequent promulgations. I guess maybe you guys don't have a constitution that is for of and by the peoples.... maybe... what do I know.

Regardless, that' theres some scary chit!
I wasn't In-Country when it happened!
But from what I gather it was a complete re-write of the 1848 Constitution,which then was approved in an obligatory Referendum by the People!
Trouble is the our Constitution can be changed too easily!
100'000 Signatures within a certain amount of time,and Parliament has to bring the Issue before the People for a Vote,then a Majority of Voted,plus a Majority of States will suffice to implement what was on the Ballot!
Great to determine Taxes,but not too great for fundamental Issues!






Schengen and our anti-Gunnuts are screwing us royally!
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Aug 23, 2012 2:38 PM CST Gun History
galrads
galradsgalradsDublin, Ohio USA2,264 Threads 279 Polls 36,283 Posts
Conrad73: http://rlv.zcache.com/i_carry_a_gun_postcard-p239135685882504127envli_400.jpg

true.... laugh
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Aug 23, 2012 3:00 PM CST Gun History
IamTab
IamTabIamTabCookeville, Tennessee USA77 Threads 341 Posts
Conrad73: http://rlv.zcache.com/i_carry_a_gun_postcard-p239135685882504127envli_400.jpg


"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government"
-- Thomas Jefferson, 1 Thomas Jefferson Papers
"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good"
-- George Washington
"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that they be properly armed."
-- Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers
I hold it, that a little rebellion, now and then, is a good thing, and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical."
-- Thomas Jefferson, Letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787
"Today, we need a nation of Minutemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."
-- John F. Kennedy
"Among the many misdeeds of the British rule in India, history will look upon the act of depriving a whole nation of arms, as the blackest."
-- Mahatma Gandhi
The people of the various provinces are strictly forbidden to have in their possession any swords, short swords, bows, spears, firearms, or other types of arms. The possession of unnecessary implements makes difficult the collection of taxes and dues and tends to foment uprisings.
-- Toyotomi Hideyoshi, Shogun, August 1588
"One of the ordinary modes, by which tyrants accomplish their purposes without resistance, is, by disarming the people, and making it an offense to keep arms."
-- Constitutional scholar Joseph Story, 1840
"Taking my gun away because I might shoot someone is like cutting my tongue out because I might yell `Fire!' in a crowded theater."
-- Peter Venetoklis
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Aug 23, 2012 4:48 PM CST Gun History
HealthyLiving
HealthyLivingHealthyLivingSomewhere In, Tennessee USA527 Threads 2 Polls 4,775 Posts
I have just downloaded this Free Ebook by John R. Lott Jr.

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Aug 23, 2012 6:21 PM CST Gun History
stringman
stringmanstringmanwallaceburg, Ontario Canada649 Threads 1 Polls 7,049 Posts
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Aug 23, 2012 6:51 PM CST Gun History
agman
agmanagmanEagle, Idaho USA3,145 Posts
Well if own gun to deter neighbors and wild animals that is just
fine. But to go up against the government is foolish as they will
have the bigger gun. So gun control on low caliper guns does not
make sense, but on automatic weapons and high caliper would make
sense. JMHO
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Aug 26, 2012 10:06 AM CST Gun History
IgorFrankensteen
IgorFrankensteenIgorFrankensteenSpringfield, Virginia USA63 Posts
I don't support most of the gun control proposals I have seen, because they are unrealistic.

However, the notion that "history shows that gun control is always bad," is ludicrous.

More than anything else, what that long list of "so and so had gun control" things ignores, is that in every single case, that gun control restriction was put into place AFTER THE DICTATORSHIP WAS SUCCESSFULLY SET INTO PLACE.

Thus, the absence of gun control before the fact, utterly failed to prevent those populations from succumbing. That makes the fundamental argument of this post specious, and it's conclusions false.

One other, very minor point from history:

One place gun control was successful, and did NOT result in an end to personal freedom, was the American Old West. The true story of those places and days was, that until town after town instituted gun control, there were robberies and violent crimes almost constantly, and local bands of "businessmen" (i.e. what we would now call Organized Crime), were able to run EVERYONE'S lives.

So as I say, I haven't seen very many gun control proposals that I think would work, but the claim that zero gun control makes life charming is absolute balderdash.
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