Falsely Accused?? (68)

Sep 3, 2012 6:20 PM CST Falsely Accused??
xxmissuniquexx
xxmissuniquexxxxmissuniquexxdublin, Dublin Ireland57 Threads 3 Polls 1,063 Posts
Just looking for a lil bit of advice off anyone who can offer some dunno

Has anyone ever been falsely accused of shoplifting and if so what did you do about it and what was the outcome?

Happened my teenager over the weekend and any advice or anyone who can share their stories would be helpful to me handshake
Sep 3, 2012 6:22 PM CST Falsely Accused??
theprowler
theprowlertheprowlerBoston, Massachusetts USA20 Threads 582 Posts
In response to: Just looking for a lil bit of advice off anyone who can offer some

Has anyone ever been falsely accused of shoplifting and if so what did you do about it and what was the outcome?

Happened my teenager over the weekend and any advice or anyone who can share their stories would be helpful to me

dont mean to be bold or anything and i know shes your little angel and all but,are ye sure she didnt do it?
Sep 3, 2012 6:23 PM CST Falsely Accused??
modermen
modermenmodermencork, Cork Ireland66 Threads 1,108 Posts
xxmissuniquexx: Just looking for a lil bit of advice off anyone who can offer some

Has anyone ever been falsely accused of shoplifting and if so what did you do about it and what was the outcome?

Happened my teenager over the weekend and any advice or anyone who can share their stories would be helpful to me
was she or he caught in or outside the shop?
Sep 3, 2012 6:46 PM CST Falsely Accused??
theprowler
theprowlertheprowlerBoston, Massachusetts USA20 Threads 582 Posts
In response to: Just looking for a lil bit of advice off anyone who can offer some

Has anyone ever been falsely accused of shoplifting and if so what did you do about it and what was the outcome?

Happened my teenager over the weekend and any advice or anyone who can share their stories would be helpful to me

I RECKON SHES GUILTYscold laugh
Sep 3, 2012 6:49 PM CST Falsely Accused??
modermen: They can't accuse her of shoplifting untill she has left the premises.
That too.
Sep 3, 2012 6:55 PM CST Falsely Accused??
facetowardsfront
facetowardsfrontfacetowardsfrontCork, Ireland42 Threads 1 Polls 2,921 Posts
modermen: They can't accuse her of shoplifting untill she has left the premises.


That's right. She should get a solicitor and sue them. Some of the store detectives these days are utter morons. You have no right to approach a customer unless they have committed an offence. My advice, if you believe this story, is get a solicitor. They will settle in a heartbeat.
Sep 3, 2012 7:00 PM CST Falsely Accused??
You do not have to leave the premises to be charged with theft. Once you pass the LAST check-out point, you can be stopped and searched, and if found to have an item without a receipt the security can hold you until the gardai arrive. It seems that this girl was unjustly held and could bring charges of 'unlawful detention'. There is also the question of "defamation", since she was falsely accused in public of stealing. My advice, is go and see a solicitor - she may have a case against the store.
Sep 3, 2012 7:03 PM CST Falsely Accused??
xxmissuniquexx
xxmissuniquexxxxmissuniquexxdublin, Dublin Ireland57 Threads 3 Polls 1,063 Posts
facetowardsfront: That's right. She should get a solicitor and sue them. Some of the store detectives these days are utter morons. You have no right to approach a customer unless they have committed an offence. My advice, if you believe this story, is get a solicitor. They will settle in a heartbeat.


If you believe this story?? Im a 100% genuine poster, always have been professor

My daughter said she was never spoke to that way in her life, this 'floorwalker' seems to have totally jumped the guns in this case. Have been in touch with a solicitor but have to wait on the call from the store tomorrow and get back to her ... Thanks for your input handshake
Sep 3, 2012 7:04 PM CST Falsely Accused??
Trealach01: You do not have to leave the premises to be charged with theft. Once you pass the LAST check-out point, you can be stopped and searched, and if found to have an item without a receipt the security can hold you until the gardai arrive. It seems that this girl was unjustly held and could bring charges of 'unlawful detention'. There is also the question of "defamation", since she was falsely accused in public of stealing. My advice, is go and see a solicitor - she may have a case against the store.
im not sure about that. i was sitting outside a dunnes the other day when a guy and gal exited the store with a tray of drink. security waited till they exited to stop them.
Sep 3, 2012 7:08 PM CST Falsely Accused??
modermen
modermenmodermencork, Cork Ireland66 Threads 1,108 Posts
Maverick147: im not sure about that. i was sitting outside a dunnes the other day when a guy and gal exited the store with a tray of drink. security waited till they exited to stop them.
Yep you have to be just left the building to be accused of theft.
Sep 3, 2012 7:09 PM CST Falsely Accused??
modermen: Yep you have to be just left the building to be accused of theft.
Thats what I thought.
Sep 3, 2012 7:10 PM CST Falsely Accused??
Maverick147: im not sure about that. i was sitting outside a dunnes the other day when a guy and gal exited the store with a tray of drink. security waited till they exited to stop them.


That's a matter of choice, but the law is quite clear, that once you pass the last check-out/point of sale, then the Security staff are within their legal rights to search. Allowing them to completely exit the premises just endorses their suspicion that the person had no intention of paying - but they don't have to go that far if they are fully satisfied that the goods are being stolen
Sep 3, 2012 7:13 PM CST Falsely Accused??
modermen
modermenmodermencork, Cork Ireland66 Threads 1,108 Posts
Trealach01: That's a matter of choice, but the law is quite clear, that once you pass the last check-out/point of sale, then the Security staff are within their legal rights to search. Allowing them to completely exit the premises just endorses their suspicion that the person had no intention of paying - but they don't have to go that far if they are fully satisfied that the goods are being stolen
I spose it makes sense when you pass the checkout.
Sep 3, 2012 7:13 PM CST Falsely Accused??
Trealach01: That's a matter of choice, but the law is quite clear, that once you pass the last check-out/point of sale, then the Security staff are within their legal rights to search. Allowing them to completely exit the premises just endorses their suspicion that the person had no intention of paying - but they don't have to go that far if they are fully satisfied that the goods are being stolen
but lets be honest. there is no point stopping someone walking around a store of stealing something. in that case everyone in my local store would be stopped because of the layout of the store. you have to let the exit to be sure.
Sep 3, 2012 7:15 PM CST Falsely Accused??
xxmissuniquexx
xxmissuniquexxxxmissuniquexxdublin, Dublin Ireland57 Threads 3 Polls 1,063 Posts
Trealach01: You do not have to leave the premises to be charged with theft. Once you pass the LAST check-out point, you can be stopped and searched, and if found to have an item without a receipt the security can hold you until the gardai arrive. It seems that this girl was unjustly held and could bring charges of 'unlawful detention'. There is also the question of "defamation", since she was falsely accused in public of stealing. My advice, is go and see a solicitor - she may have a case against the store.


Was actually told tonight that its not defamation unless they printed something about her. I wouldnt believe that as ive been looking other cases up online where this has happened and defamation was the charges the people brought against the shops. Just getting more confused about it all confused She was being giving a chance ''to put the pink thing back'' a thing she didnt have on her person doh
Sep 3, 2012 7:20 PM CST Falsely Accused??
Maverick147: but lets be honest. there is no point stopping someone walking around a store of stealing something. in that case everyone in my local store would be stopped because of the layout of the store. you have to let the exit to be sure.


The distance between the last checkout and the door is sufficient space in which to stop a person leaving with stolen goods. If the person actually leaves the premises and is found to be innocent, then that's a matter of 'false arrest' - not unlawful detention. This girl hadn't passed the last checkout, therefore she was unlawfully detained, which is also illegal, but less serious than 'false arrest'.
Sep 3, 2012 7:20 PM CST Falsely Accused??
theprowler
theprowlertheprowlerBoston, Massachusetts USA20 Threads 582 Posts
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Sep 3, 2012 7:22 PM CST Falsely Accused??
xxmissuniquexx
xxmissuniquexxxxmissuniquexxdublin, Dublin Ireland57 Threads 3 Polls 1,063 Posts
Maverick147: but lets be honest. there is no point stopping someone walking around a store of stealing something. in that case everyone in my local store would be stopped because of the layout of the store. you have to let the exit to be sure.


Exactly!! And thats to yourself and all who have said it. She was on the 1st floor of the shop at the back in a queue for a cashier til so even if she did have something concealed she had a chance to produce it and pay for it. I just dont understand the logic of what they did, and as you said she should have been trained and this should not have happened at all. Ive been told by a friend who works as a store detective the past 18 yrs that you can try on clothes all day long and stroll around the shop in them aslong as you dont leave without paying, seemingly kids are doing this and taking pics 4 their FB in all the nice clothes roll eyes and nothing can be done about that...
Sep 3, 2012 7:23 PM CST Falsely Accused??
LiamMG
LiamMGLiamMGClondalkin, Dublin Ireland30 Threads 4 Polls 2,049 Posts
xxmissuniquexx: Was actually told tonight that its not defamation unless they printed something about her. I wouldnt believe that as ive been looking other cases up online where this has happened and defamation was the charges the people brought against the shops. Just getting more confused about it all She was being giving a chance ''to put the pink thing back'' a thing she didnt have on her person
there is two forms of defamation, libel and slander. libel being the written form and slander being spoken

also dont worry bout it cos the way i read it they dealt with it all wrong they should be worrying about you suing them laugh
Sep 3, 2012 7:36 PM CST Falsely Accused??
xxmissuniquexx
xxmissuniquexxxxmissuniquexxdublin, Dublin Ireland57 Threads 3 Polls 1,063 Posts
LiamMG: there is two forms of defamation, libel and slander. libel being the written form and slander being spoken

also dont worry bout it cos the way i read it they dealt with it all wrong they should be worrying about you suing them


Actually I was told tonight in the legal place that it was slander as it happened in front of lots of people but not defamation, should have asked on here instead of wasting 2 hrs tonight as that free legal aid place didnt really tell me anything helpful or that I didnt already know.

They well know their in the wrong, apologising profusely and saying she can come into the shop as much as she likes, they know im going further about it. Just how far do you go? Suppose see what 2moros phone call brings and have a look at this cctv myself, prob take quiet a battle to get a copy off them though thumbs down
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