Abort or not ( Archived) (64)

Mar 24, 2013 1:16 PM CST Abort or not
Tomcats2
Tomcats2Tomcats2Norwich, Norfolk, England UK81 Threads 9 Polls 2,249 Posts
tomcatwarne: I think within marriage or a relationship it should be e joint choice and not the woman's only.
The woman has to carry the baby so it should be her decisions how can a man tell a woman what to do with her body thats just wrong
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Mar 24, 2013 1:16 PM CST Abort or not
Tomcats2
Tomcats2Tomcats2Norwich, Norfolk, England UK81 Threads 9 Polls 2,249 Posts
tomcatwarne: I think within marriage or a relationship it should be e joint choice and not the woman's only.
The woman has to carry the baby so it should be her decisions how can a man tell a woman what to do with her body thats just wrong
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Mar 24, 2013 1:16 PM CST Abort or not
Tomcats2
Tomcats2Tomcats2Norwich, Norfolk, England UK81 Threads 9 Polls 2,249 Posts
tomcatwarne: I think within marriage or a relationship it should be e joint choice and not the woman's only.
The woman has to carry the baby so it should be her decisions how can a man tell a woman what to do with her body thats just wrong
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Mar 24, 2013 4:07 PM CST Abort or not
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Tomcats2: The woman has to carry the baby so it should be her decisions how can a man tell a woman what to do with her body thats just wrong


no it's not it is both of their baby
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Mar 24, 2013 4:20 PM CST Abort or not
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
Equally wrong is to know,that your child, will die from starvation,by not having the means to provide food.-
Tomcats2: The woman has to carry the baby so it should be her decisions how can a man tell a woman what to do with her body thats just wrong
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Mar 24, 2013 4:22 PM CST Abort or not
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
tomcatwarne: no it's not it is both of their baby

How are you going to enforce the man's choice?
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Mar 24, 2013 4:41 PM CST Abort or not
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1Barcelona, Catalonia Spain65 Threads 44 Polls 5,101 Posts
jac379: How are you going to enforce the man's choice?


That's the question, but it's not only her baby. The man's expectations should matter.
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Mar 25, 2013 2:03 AM CST Abort or not
AgentAjax
AgentAjaxAgentAjaxBrisbane, Queensland Australia81 Threads 1 Polls 3,965 Posts
Tomcats2: The woman has to carry the baby so it should be her decisions how can a man tell a woman what to do with her body thats just wrong
I don’t think that’s quite right. The woman carries the baby for the 9 months, nurtures it, clothes it..etc all this can be done with or without a man. dunno
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Mar 25, 2013 2:18 AM CST Abort or not
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
GUZMAN1: That's the question, but it's not only her baby. The man's expectations should matter.



Si if a man's wife decides to abort their child without consultation, you think that is right?????

Does'nt the legal father have any say in the matter.
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Mar 25, 2013 2:19 AM CST Abort or not
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
AgentAjax: I don’t think that’s quite right. The woman carries the baby for the 9 months, nurtures it, clothes it..etc all this can be done with or without a man.


But they are married and he would support her during the nine months and then provide for them both?????
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Mar 25, 2013 2:47 AM CST Abort or not
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
This scenario is taken from an actual case.
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Mar 25, 2013 2:55 AM CST Abort or not
Missblonde
MissblondeMissblondebanyeres, Valencia Spain142 Posts
I believe its the woman's choice, fair enough if she in a relationship, she can discuss it with the father, but ultimately the end choice is her's.

The man might say yes he will be there for her after its born, but often relationships break down and its the mum left holding the baby
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Mar 25, 2013 3:13 AM CST Abort or not
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Missblonde: I believe its the woman's choice, fair enough if she in a relationship, she can discuss it with the father, but ultimately the end choice is her's.

The man might say yes he will be there for her after its born, but often relationships break down and its the mum left holding the baby

It may be a woman's choice.


But from a man's point of view If his wife aborts his child agaist his wishes (with no medical reasons) there must be something terribly wrong with the relationship.

The baby has 50% of his genes and the marriage would certainly be over if she killed the baby.

However what is a woman's point of view on this.??

This issue will have to be addressed legally at some time.
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Mar 25, 2013 3:27 AM CST Abort or not
Nikogas
NikogasNikogasMetro, Oregon USA46 Threads 5 Polls 4,037 Posts
Missblonde: I believe its the woman's choice, fair enough if she in a relationship, she can discuss it with the father, but ultimately the end choice is her's.

The man might say yes he will be there for her after its born, but often relationships break down and its the mum left holding the baby


I am not disagreeing with you "but" I have personally seen many times where A Woman gets pregnant and then leaves the man and puts him out of her life with no chance or option to even converse and then demands that he take care of the child yet has no problems in keeping him at bay. The law backs her up and he works or becomes a criminal if he can not find enough work to pay the tab. To make it worse the mother of the child berates him constantly in front of the child and the young boy after 10 plus years starts becoming very unsure of what a man is and loses his own self respect. The Mother spoils her son and sends mixed messages to the point that he feels guilty for Loving his father but is confused because his father does not give him all the presents like his mother. It goes on and on but my point was that yes, the baby is born from the mother but in a natural pregnancy, meaning through the process of a man and woman creating the child together. In that beginning it seems that there are so many people, (on both sides) that do not work together and like it or not the more I think about it I believe that the biggest problem is that the couple is not held responsible for being the parents. OR, if one parent is going to shut out the other...well, how can that be ok. It is such a mess and it is the future, these are the society of tomorrow. personally I have always said though that because the child is in the womans body that the choice should be hers. In some ways though I think that if she is getting abortions like birth control that something should be said. I don't know how but like I said, I see it, I have seen it and I am pretty sure we will see it more in the future.
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Mar 25, 2013 3:38 AM CST Abort or not
lavina
lavinalavinaParadise, Indonesia12 Threads 4,755 Posts
Beside its a right of the woman it self or the father/man, how's about the child?, can he/she also deserve to life?. Sometimes we just think a view from the woman or man as not the baby that become as human being

dunno
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Mar 25, 2013 3:52 AM CST Abort or not
Halv0
Halv0Halv0Marcoola, Queensland Australia19 Threads 766 Posts
Abort or not???

Mate, too difficult for me to reach a conclusion or answer to this one. In times past there was no choice. So it was not a question that needed to be raised.

I got now answer for this question. Lucky I'm a male and never have to grapple with the reality of this kind of decision.....
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Mar 25, 2013 3:52 AM CST Abort or not
Balles
BallesBallesdubai, Dubai United Arab Emirates377 Posts
tomcatwarne: Dear upsidedowner, my discussion is why a wife should be able to abort her husbands child against his wishes.


laugh laugh laugh
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Mar 25, 2013 3:55 AM CST Abort or not
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Nikogas: I am not disagreeing with you "but" I have personally seen many times where A Woman gets pregnant and then leaves the man and puts him out of her life with no chance or option to even converse and then demands that he take care of the child yet has no problems in keeping him at bay. The law backs her up and he works or becomes a criminal if he can not find enough work to pay the tab. To make it worse the mother of the child berates him constantly in front of the child and the young boy after 10 plus years starts becoming very unsure of what a man is and loses his own self respect. The Mother spoils her son and sends mixed messages to the point that he feels guilty for Loving his father but is confused because his father does not give him all the presents like his mother. It goes on and on but my point was that yes, the baby is born from the mother but in a natural pregnancy, meaning through the process of a man and woman creating the child together. In that beginning it seems that there are so many people, (on both sides) that do not work together and like it or not the more I think about it I believe that the biggest problem is that the couple is not held responsible for being the parents. OR, if one parent is going to shut out the other...well, how can that be ok. It is such a mess and it is the future, these are the society of tomorrow. personally I have always said though that because the child is in the womans body that the choice should be hers. In some ways though I think that if she is getting abortions like birth control that something should be said. I don't know how but like I said, I see it, I have seen it and I am pretty sure we will see it more in the future.




I hear you Niko, the law is skewed in favour of women, and the fathers seem to have very few rights
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Mar 25, 2013 4:13 AM CST Abort or not
Tomcats2
Tomcats2Tomcats2Norwich, Norfolk, England UK81 Threads 9 Polls 2,249 Posts
tomcatwarne: I hear you Niko, the law is skewed in favour of women, and the fathers seem to have very few rights
a woman can not force me to have a vesectomy at the end of the day that is my choice if she wants to have somehing done to her body have an abotion that her choice whats hard to understand/ yeah men not have the right leglly to force theire opinin and choices on women but hey why should they? this is the 21 st century not backward state in the middle east ffs
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Mar 25, 2013 4:18 AM CST Abort or not
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Tomcats2: a woman can not force me to have a vesectomy at the end of the day that is my choice if she wants to have somehing done to her body have an abotion that her choice whats hard to understand/ yeah men not have the right leglly to force theire opinin and choices on women but hey why should they? this is the 21 st century not backward state in the middle east ffs


SO, if you were married and your wife got pregnant by you. You would be happy about her aborting your child!!!!!!!!!!!
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