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Jan 16, 2014 4:11 PM CST HIgh School Scare
CapNemo: I'm fine with what the reporter did. The system was tested in a real life scenario, no pre scheduled practice drill. The system was proven effective, real life response and readiness was tested, and a lot was learned. I would think that alone would be reassuring to parents and staff. As mentioned earlier, a drill simply wouldn't have the same urgency to it. The military uses this mentality daily, and I've been thru it a hundred times. It's a valuable tool that has great training merits.


But you're an adult Nemo, not a 3 year old. You can think this out, but a 3 year old is experiencing something that is called madness. I imagine the teachers were making a game of it to keep the children calm.
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Jan 16, 2014 4:14 PM CST HIgh School Scare
2girlsnocup: I would say that he knows what has happened. He'd have reported on stories involving lock downs in the past. He'd have got authority from his newspaper or agency, and in order to do the story, he'd have had to get someone to run it.

Was he arrested at the scene? All they'd have on him is trespass. The side effects are not illegal as far as I know.


I don't think he does know what happened 2 minutes away 2girls. Or that that there were young children and elderly people that were connected this.
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Jan 16, 2014 4:14 PM CST HIgh School Scare
CapNemo
CapNemoCapNemoLongview, Texas USA6 Threads 599 Posts
Kaybee50: But you're an adult Nemo, not a 3 year old. You can think this out, but a 3 year old is experiencing something that is called madness. I imagine the teachers were making a game of it to keep the children calm.
Quite possible. It was just my take on it. I do understand both sides of it. beer
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Jan 16, 2014 4:17 PM CST HIgh School Scare
2girlsnocup
2girlsnocup2girlsnocupunknown, Greater London, England UK28 Threads 1 Polls 2,621 Posts
Kaybee50: But you're an adult Nemo, not a 3 year old. You can think this out, but a 3 year old is experiencing something that is called madness. I imagine the teachers were making a game of it to keep the children calm.


Perfect training for the teachers just in case it ever happens. As you'd said, there was the lightbulb incident before, so what's the difference this time? The children didn't know any different.
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Jan 16, 2014 4:18 PM CST HIgh School Scare
jono7
jono7jono7Out West, British Columbia Canada3 Threads 8,017 Posts
hiya Kaybee wave

there should be some consequences.

as a teacher, i experienced 'lockdowns' several times and for varied lengths of time. they can be very frightening.

and to give you an idea of how many folks get effected...
during one 'lockdown' which occurred right before dismissal for lunch....

in under five minutes a student in my class received a text from her bf (attending at another school 30k away) asking her if she was ok. in under five minutes, a student had texted their mom from another class at our school, that mom had texted her own friend who was the mother of the girl at the other school, and her daughter texted the student in my class who's own mother had already left to walk to the school. within this same time period...fearful parents had deluged the school phone lines, and others were starting to arrive at the school....that lockdown lasted 45 minutes.

that's a lot of fear..
i wonder if the reporter thought about the disruption and the ripples....or just thought of himself?
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Jan 16, 2014 4:19 PM CST HIgh School Scare
2girlsnocup: Perfect training for the teachers just in case it ever happens. As you'd said, there was the lightbulb incident before, so what's the difference this time? The children didn't know any different.


Thank you for the reminder. I forgot to add to the lightbulb incident that the pre-school was just starting the day. Only a few parents had dropped off their children up to that point, so we weren't at full capacity yet. There was a teacher that stood in the parking lot and instructed the parents who pulled up to stay in their cars and keep driving out of the vicinity.
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Jan 16, 2014 4:19 PM CST HIgh School Scare
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
Kaybee50: Bomb scares in your youth, tornados and earthquakes in mine. We had tornado drills and earthquake drills on a regular basis, but a bomb or school shooting wasn't in our realm of thinking back then. And I guess we grew up ok. Well, I wouldn't vouch for my total sanity.

Is there something different about drills for events of nature and drills for acts of violence?

There's something much more personal about acts of violence which may eat at something psycho-social within us, maybe?

And perhaps something more personal about 'hands on' threats of intruders, or potential face to face protagonists, than say the threat of nuclear bombs that we half lived under back in the 80's.
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Jan 16, 2014 4:22 PM CST HIgh School Scare
CapNemo
CapNemoCapNemoLongview, Texas USA6 Threads 599 Posts
jono7: hiya Kaybee

there should be some consequences.

as a teacher, i experienced 'lockdowns' several times and for varied lengths of time. they can be very frightening.

and to give you an idea of how many folks get effected...
during one 'lockdown' which occurred right before dismissal for lunch....

in under five minutes a student in my class received a text from her bf (attending at another school 30k away) asking her if she was ok. in under five minutes, a student had texted their mom from another class at our school, that mom had texted her own friend who was the mother of the girl at the other school, and her daughter texted the student in my class who's own mother had already left to walk to the school. within this same time period...fearful parents had deluged the school phone lines, and others were starting to arrive at the school....that lockdown lasted 45 minutes.

that's a lot of fear..
i wonder if the reporter thought about the disruption and the ripples....or just thought of himself?
Why are you allowing cell phones in class?
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Jan 16, 2014 4:22 PM CST HIgh School Scare
jono7: hiya Kaybee

there should be some consequences.

as a teacher, i experienced 'lockdowns' several times and for varied lengths of time. they can be very frightening.

and to give you an idea of how many folks get effected...
during one 'lockdown' which occurred right before dismissal for lunch....

in under five minutes a student in my class received a text from her bf (attending at another school 30k away) asking her if she was ok. in under five minutes, a student had texted their mom from another class at our school, that mom had texted her own friend who was the mother of the girl at the other school, and her daughter texted the student in my class who's own mother had already left to walk to the school. within this same time period...fearful parents had deluged the school phone lines, and others were starting to arrive at the school....that lockdown lasted 45 minutes.

that's a lot of fear..
i wonder if the reporter thought about the disruption and the ripples....or just thought of himself?


That's what I would like to know too. I'm quite sure he doesn't understand the involvement of my location in all of this.
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Jan 16, 2014 4:24 PM CST HIgh School Scare
2girlsnocup
2girlsnocup2girlsnocupunknown, Greater London, England UK28 Threads 1 Polls 2,621 Posts
Kaybee50: I don't think he does know what happened 2 minutes away 2girls. Or that that there were young children and elderly people that were connected this.


He'd have known about the other schools in the area. It's not as if they're hidden on maps. As I said earlier, he'd most likely reported on lockdowns before, so knew the drills and what would happen. He said he was testing them out, and they obviously worked quite well.

Anyone that lives near a school over there, would be in the same situation regardless of their age.
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Jan 16, 2014 4:25 PM CST HIgh School Scare
jac379: Is there something different about drills for events of nature and drills for acts of violence?

There's something much more personal about acts of violence which may eat at something psycho-social within us, maybe?

And perhaps something more personal about 'hands on' threats of intruders, or potential face to face protagonists, than say the threat of nuclear bombs that we half lived under back in the 80's.


For earthquakes, the children are to stand in the doorways.
For tornados (we don't have desks at the pre-school), they are to sit in the downstairs hallway and in a crouched position with their arms covering their heads.
For possible violence, it's a whole different enchilada.
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Jan 16, 2014 4:28 PM CST HIgh School Scare
CapNemo
CapNemoCapNemoLongview, Texas USA6 Threads 599 Posts
2girlsnocup: Perfect training for the teachers just in case it ever happens. As you'd said, there was the lightbulb incident before, so what's the difference this time? The children didn't know any different.
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Jan 16, 2014 4:28 PM CST HIgh School Scare
2girlsnocup: He'd have known about the other schools in the area. It's not as if they're hidden on maps. As I said earlier, he'd most likely reported on lockdowns before, so knew the drills and what would happen. He said he was testing them out, and they obviously worked quite well.

Anyone that lives near a school over there, would be in the same situation regardless of their age.


I'm not sure he would know about this pre-school, as it is housed in a building that isn't a school.
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Jan 16, 2014 4:29 PM CST HIgh School Scare
CapNemo
CapNemoCapNemoLongview, Texas USA6 Threads 599 Posts
I still stand by the reporter, no disrespect to all involved.
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Jan 16, 2014 4:31 PM CST HIgh School Scare
CapNemo: I still stand by the reporter, no disrespect to all involved.


I have invited all viewpoints. There is no disrespect involved in expressing your viewpoint.
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Jan 16, 2014 4:32 PM CST HIgh School Scare
2girlsnocup
2girlsnocup2girlsnocupunknown, Greater London, England UK28 Threads 1 Polls 2,621 Posts
Kaybee50: I'm not sure he would know about this pre-school, as it is housed in a building that isn't a school.


If it's a school, it will have a listing somewhere. Most likely the Yellow pages or even have it's own website.

He obviously found it and wanted to test their drills out. Maybe he has a child there or one that will attend in the future?
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Jan 16, 2014 4:32 PM CST HIgh School Scare
jono7
jono7jono7Out West, British Columbia Canada3 Threads 8,017 Posts
CapNemo: Why are you allowing cell phones in class?


cell phones are permitted in class so are already with students.

they are on silence during classes...phones may not ring.

students are not permitted to use phones to talk or text during regular classes but are permitted to leave them on so parents may contact them should an emergency occur.

students learn during drills that they must ensure phones are on silence during lockdown for the protection of all.


the short answer to your question...

it is the parent association's choice that this is permitted.
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Jan 16, 2014 4:33 PM CST HIgh School Scare
2girlsnocup: If it's a school, it will have a listing somewhere. Most likely the Yellow pages or even have it's own website.

He obviously found it and wanted to test their drills out. Maybe he has a child there or one that will attend in the future?


The high school is listed and has a website.

But not the pre-school in my workplace.
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Jan 16, 2014 4:35 PM CST HIgh School Scare
Obstinance_Works
Obstinance_WorksObstinance_WorksManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK3 Threads 1 Polls 3,514 Posts
Kaybee50: My office is a two minute walk from the city's high school. There is a pre-school on the ground floor of where I work. We have safety measures and emergency procedures in place here because of the children and the close proximity to the high school.

Today a strange man entered the high school while students were in class. We received a call from the local police to go on lock-down. Although the pre-school is always locked for safety measure, here where the upstairs' offices are located, our outdoor access doors are usually locked, but today we had several meetings going on and people needed access to the building.

Lock-down in the pre-school area means teachers get the children all into one room. All window blinds are pulled down so that no one can see inside. In case an intruder gets in, the teachers are to as quickly as possible, get the children out through a window. If on the playground, then to surround the children and try and get them over a fence and instructed to run to a neighbor's home. These are children from newborns to 5 years of age. That they even have to know these things makes me so sad.

The man turned out to be a news reporter to see how the school would react. I bet the reporter doesn't realize the text and phone calls parents' received, how here we had scared frightened infants crammed into a room, how the older people attending the meetings here were so distressed.

Do you feel this news reporter's actions were correct? If yes, how so?
If not, should there be some consequences to his actions?


Wow! It's like living in a film. Your culture has become a breeding ground for sociopaths. There is no chance that you'll put a man on the moon again.
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Jan 16, 2014 4:35 PM CST HIgh School Scare
2girlsnocup
2girlsnocup2girlsnocupunknown, Greater London, England UK28 Threads 1 Polls 2,621 Posts
Kaybee50: The high school is listed and has a website.

But not the pre-school in my workplace.


He found it somehow. It's not like he's been walking into random buildings daily for a while, seeing what'll happen.
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