why is there so much corruption in goverment in ireland (100)
some very wealthy farmers alright who dont need or shouldnt take handouts but in the majority of cases its the multi nationals and the middle men who are raking in the big bucks ,as we the consumer know at the tills ,worked on farms myself so have great admiration for some farmers 
mjpd67: some very wealthy farmers alright who dont need or shouldnt take handouts but in the majority of cases its the multi nationals and the middle men who are raking in the big bucks ,as we the consumer know at the tills ,worked on farms myself so have great admiration for some farmers
Most people who are in small businesses (non farming related) don't receive handouts off the state or the EU, why should the farmers be any different?
They should stand on their own 2 feet, if their farms aren't financially viable they deserve out of business instead of sponging off Brussels and the Irish state to keep their farms in operation.
I believe in old fashioned self reliance mot permanent dependency on the state or Brussels, there are nearly 140.000 farmers in Ireland. Only 37% of farms in Ireland are financially viable according to a survey by Teagasc.
kennyfromdublin: Most people who are in small businesses (non farming related) don't receive handouts off the state or the EU, why should the farmers be any different?
They should stand on their own 2 feet, if their farms aren't financially viable they deserve out of business instead of sponging off Brussels and the Irish state to keep their farms in operation.
I believe in old fashioned self reliance mot permanent dependency on the state or Brussels, there are nearly 140.000 farmers in Ireland. Only 37% of farms in Ireland are financially viable according to a survey by Teagasc.
its not about the handouts any farmer will tell you its the land and the love of the land our land, no its help the bankers They should stand on their own 2 feet, if their farms aren't financially viable they deserve out of business instead of sponging off Brussels and the Irish state to keep their farms in operation.
I believe in old fashioned self reliance mot permanent dependency on the state or Brussels, there are nearly 140.000 farmers in Ireland. Only 37% of farms in Ireland are financially viable according to a survey by Teagasc.
mjpd67: its not about the handouts any farmer will tell you its the land and the love of the land our land, no its help the bankers
Do you have a Bull McCabe style mentality when It comes to the land, who's paying to keep unviable farms in operation, every taxpayer in this country because our political classes don't have the balls to abolish farming handouts.
What are the farmers afraid of If farming subsidies are ever abolished, are they afraid of the concept of self reliance and having to move with the times so that they remain in business? It's time this feeble dependency culture was eradicated from the Irish landscape and the concept of self reliance became the dominant belief amongst the Irish people.
kennyfromdublin: Do you have a Bull McCabe style mentality when It comes to the land, who's paying to keep unviable farms in operation, every taxpayer in this country because our political classes don't have the balls to abolish farming handouts.
What are the farmers afraid of If farming subsidies are ever abolished, are they afraid of the concept of self reliance and having to move with the times so that they remain in business? It's time this feeble dependency culture was eradicated from the Irish landscape and the concept of self reliance became the dominant belief amongst the Irish people.
will you dance with me What are the farmers afraid of If farming subsidies are ever abolished, are they afraid of the concept of self reliance and having to move with the times so that they remain in business? It's time this feeble dependency culture was eradicated from the Irish landscape and the concept of self reliance became the dominant belief amongst the Irish people.
so abolish the handouts so do we go from exporting which by the way is expanding all the time to importing more food at what percentage would we have to import to balance out the handouts to unviable farms ,even the small farms contribute to the economymjpd67: will you dance with me so abolish the handouts so do we go from exporting which by the way is expanding all the time to importing more food at what percentage would we have to import to balance out the handouts to unviable farms ,even the small farms contribute to the economy
Farming handouts contribute to the extortionate price of food in Ireland, they also act as barrier to Free Trade in 3rd world countries as farmers in those countries have to compete against protectionist policies by the EU and other western states. The Common Agricultural Policy has been proven to artificially increase prices for people in the EU when they are buying food.
Viable farms would be able to provide the necessary food required to feed the Irish people, It works in New Zealand and Australia and both those countries have abolished farming handouts.
kennyfromdublin: Farming handouts contribute to the extortionate price of food in Ireland, they also act as barrier to Free Trade in 3rd world countries as farmers in those countries have to compete against protectionist policies by the EU and other western states. The Common Agricultural Policy has been proven to artificially increase prices for people in the EU when they are buying food.
Viable farms would be able to provide the necessary food required to feed the Irish people, It works in New Zealand and Australia and both those countries have abolished farming handouts.
well handouts or no handouts its the consumer thats paying the price at the end of the day Viable farms would be able to provide the necessary food required to feed the Irish people, It works in New Zealand and Australia and both those countries have abolished farming handouts.
mjpd67: well handouts or no handouts its the consumer thats paying the price at the end of the day
Everyone would be paying less for their food if farming handouts were abolished. It would leave people with more disposable income.
kennyfromdublin: Everyone would be paying less for their food if farming handouts were abolished. It would leave people with more disposable income.
We currently export 9bn worth of food and import 5bn and subsidies of 2.33bn bearing in mind that in 2009, 51 percent of GHG were contributed to humans raising livestock for food the EU will try to curb the production of livestockmjpd67: We currently export 9bn worth of food and import 5bn and subsidies of 2.33bn bearing in mind that in 2009, 51 percent of GHG were contributed to humans raising livestock for food the EU will try to curb the production of livestock
Do you think if farming handouts were abolished Food exports would plummet in Ireland, that certainly hasn't been the case in New Zealand and Australia where farmers diversified to other profitable crops when farming handouts were largely abolished.
Why do you think self employed farmers should receive handouts, Do you not believe in the concept of self reliance?
kennyfromdublin: Do you think if farming handouts were abolished Food exports would plummet in Ireland, that certainly hasn't been the case in New Zealand and Australia where farmers diversified to other profitable crops when farming handouts were largely abolished.
Why do you think self employed farmers should receive handouts, Do you not believe in the concept of self reliance?
im more your kill it cook it eat it type of fella and no they havent plummeted in aussie land or new zealand maybe all the paddys that have emigrated are contributing to it staying balanced Why do you think self employed farmers should receive handouts, Do you not believe in the concept of self reliance?
kennyfromdublin: Do you think if farming handouts were abolished Food exports would plummet in Ireland, that certainly hasn't been the case in New Zealand and Australia where farmers diversified to other profitable crops when farming handouts were largely abolished.
Why do you think self employed farmers should receive handouts, Do you not believe in the concept of self reliance?
nice yapping anyways kenny agree with some of your points off anyways up early in the morning to milk the cows Why do you think self employed farmers should receive handouts, Do you not believe in the concept of self reliance?
mjpd67: im more your kill it cook it eat it type of fella and no they havent plummeted in aussie land or new zealand maybe all the paddys that have emigrated are contributing to it staying balanced
A few Irish farmers have gone into farming in America, I think in either South Dakota or North Dakota, I remember watching an RTE documentary from a few years ago which showed a few Irish farmers taking over large farms in America.
Farmers moan about the weather in Ireland, in the above states that I mentioned temperatures can plummet to minus 20 celsius in the Winter.
kennyfromdublin: A few Irish farmers have gone into farming in America, I think in either South Dakota or North Dakota, I remember watching an RTE documentary from a few years ago which showed a few Irish farmers taking over large farms in America.
Farmers moan about the weather in Ireland, in the above states that I mentioned temperatures can plummet to minus 20 celsius in the Winter.
think the agriculture industry could do with a major overhaul and young farmers might diversify in the future a lot of people on here should watch Ear to the Ground , present company excluded Farmers moan about the weather in Ireland, in the above states that I mentioned temperatures can plummet to minus 20 celsius in the Winter.
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kennyfromdublin: Your right about the farmers, neither FG or FF have the cajones to call for all farming subsidies to be abolished for the reasons that you have mentioned, they would also lose a lot of votes as a substantial minority of Irish people still live in rural areas (nearly 40% I think), Simon Coveney (Agriculture Minister) proudly stated a couple of weeks ago that the farmers will receive €1.9 billion in state handouts between 2014-2020.
New Zealand phased out farming handouts between 1984-1990 and most farmers actually remained in business as they were forced to change as regarding farming efficiencies.
This will offend a lot of people but I regard farmers in Ireland and indeed most of the Western World as Parasites and spongers, they should have to stand on their own 2 feet instead of leeching of the taxpayer.
New Zealand phased out farming handouts between 1984-1990 and most farmers actually remained in business as they were forced to change as regarding farming efficiencies.
This will offend a lot of people but I regard farmers in Ireland and indeed most of the Western World as Parasites and spongers, they should have to stand on their own 2 feet instead of leeching of the taxpayer.
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Your right about the farmers, neither FG or FF have the cajones to call for all farming subsidies to be abolished for the reasons that you have mentioned, they would also lose a lot of votes as a substantial minority of Irish people still live in rural areas (nearly 40% I think), Simon Coveney (Agriculture Minister) proudly stated a couple of weeks ago that the farmers will receive €1.9 billion in state handouts between 2014-2020.
New Zealand phased out farming handouts between 1984-1990 and most farmers actually remained in business as they were forced to change as regarding farming efficiencies.
This will offend a lot of people but I regard farmers in Ireland and indeed most of the Western World as Parasites and spongers, they should have to stand on their own 2 feet instead of leeching of the taxpayer.