Farmers children three times more likely to go to college. (181)
buzzy111: CAN YO NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION?
well you facts are wrong, the farming industry is making money sure it employs 150000 people in Ireland, that's is a FACT. pity the farmers don't get some of it.
have to go now and help calve a cow with twins, its passed the 9 to 5 hours, wouldn't you think the cow would wait till morning haha
well you facts are wrong, the farming industry is making money sure it employs 150000 people in Ireland, that's is a FACT. pity the farmers don't get some of it.
have to go now and help calve a cow with twins, its passed the 9 to 5 hours, wouldn't you think the cow would wait till morning haha
At least 60% of farmers would have to sell their farms if they weren't leaching off the EU or successive Irish governments going back a number of decades. Is it any wonder why the farmers are the most pro-EU vested interest in Ireland.
buzzy111: every house hold that have there own water supply don't have to pay it
farming Industry i said that makes money not the farmers, sure if they were no farmers they would be no farming industry, 150000 jobs gone then you all will be happy
farming Industry i said that makes money not the farmers, sure if they were no farmers they would be no farming industry, 150000 jobs gone then you all will be happy
What are you on about Buzzy with your 150,000 jobs, shure if we gave the corner boys of Ireland 4 and a half billion in European taxpayers money, plus all the other billions farmers scrounge off the Irish payers we would have millions of jobs in Bookmakers, chippers, off licenses, pubs, gold chain, pitbull accessories and tracksuit shops.
Irish farmers are scrounging parasites living off the taxpayer and they still want more.
kennyfromdublin: At least 60% of farmers would have to sell their farms if they weren't leaching off the EU or successive Irish governments going back a number of decades. Is it any wonder why the farmers are the most pro-EU vested interest in Ireland.
Well said Kenny. Leaches the lot of them.
stanley8m: Ah Buzzy, as I said you are a typical farmer, whining and whinging about how the poor farmers have nothing. If only us working taxpayers could get all your Grants, subsidies and non payment of VAT
The fact is it would be a worse country without them, 150000 jobs gone. im not a farmer, i just know why they get it hard to survive. how many farms have went up for sale this year so far? a lot why? CAN NOT PAY THE BANKS thats why.
I know a potato farmer, he was wealthy, the best of machinery, he lost 3 years of crops in a row, banks came in and took everything.
buzzy111: The fact is it would be a worse country without them, 150000 jobs gone. im not a farmer, i just know why they get it hard to survive. how many farms have went up for sale this year so far? a lot why? CAN NOT PAY THE BANKS thats why.
I know a potato farmer, he was wealthy, the best of machinery, he lost 3 years of crops in a row, banks came in and took everything.
I know a potato farmer, he was wealthy, the best of machinery, he lost 3 years of crops in a row, banks came in and took everything.
Buzzy, that farmer decided to take a risk by investing in one high yield crop, I suspect he might have other loans, perhaps a mortgage on the country mansion, and a few land rovers around the place too???
He made the wrong decisions, over borrowed and his business failed, but I bet he was still claiming subsidies and got his grants too, eh???
Oh and as for your point about 150,000 people employed through the agri sector, well there are 140,000 farming families in Ireland sponging off the taxpayer, do the math yourself there.
Like our corner shops we need to keep it going ,,I have one around the. Corner ,,so too a centra supermarket across the road and a lidals and aldi s up the road ,and yet a third aldi being built just a mile away at other side of town,,
Just like the little corner shop owned by local woman so too does our local small farmer need support,
Just like the little corner shop owned by local woman so too does our local small farmer need support,
peachmelba: Like our corner shops we need to keep it going ,,I have one around the. Corner ,,so too a centra supermarket across the road and a lidals and aldi s up the road ,and yet a third aldi being built just a mile away at other side of town,,
Just like the little corner shop owned by local woman so too does our local small farmer need support,
Just like the little corner shop owned by local woman so too does our local small farmer need support,
Of course it is important for Irish farming to survive, BUT, why are we subsidising them, as you said yourself the hard working taxpayer, for example your son setting up a business gets nothing, while multi millionaire farmers have the profits from their business plus the farmers dole/subsidies. Is that fair or just in any way??
New Zealand scrapped their farm subsidies in 1985 and the farmers rose to the challenge becoming more productive, and cutting costs to remain competitive in the home and export market.
Irish farmers just whinge and complain looking for more money off the hard working taxpayers. Sponging parasites, and Buzzy wants us to pay more at the counter for their meat and veg, so really he wants us to subsidise them twice. Great plan Buzzy.
stanley8m: Of course it is important for Irish farming to survive, BUT, why are we subsidising them, as you said yourself the hard working taxpayer, for example your son setting up a business gets nothing, while multi millionaire farmers have the profits from their business plus the farmers dole/subsidies. Is that fair or just in any way??
New Zealand scrapped their farm subsidies in 1985 and the farmers rose to the challenge becoming more productive, and cutting costs to remain competitive in the home and export market.
Irish farmers just whinge and complain looking for more money off the hard working taxpayers. Sponging parasites, and Buzzy wants us to pay more at the counter for their meat and veg, so really he wants us to subsidise them twice. Great plan Buzzy.
New Zealand scrapped their farm subsidies in 1985 and the farmers rose to the challenge becoming more productive, and cutting costs to remain competitive in the home and export market.
Irish farmers just whinge and complain looking for more money off the hard working taxpayers. Sponging parasites, and Buzzy wants us to pay more at the counter for their meat and veg, so really he wants us to subsidise them twice. Great plan Buzzy.
Yes stan I agree with you I'm only talking about the very small farmers tho,,it's a very good thread btw and I do think you should be in politics be it even at local level before you reach the dail,,,I vote for you,
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Yes stan I agree with you I'm only talking about the very small farmers tho,,it's a very good thread btw and I do think you should be in politics be it even at local level before you reach the dail,,,I vote for you, .[
You be the Robin Hood ,,,,you are the white knight, ...
You be the Robin Hood ,,,,you are the white knight,
...peachmelba: Like our corner shops we need to keep it going ,,I have one around the. Corner ,,so too a centra supermarket across the road and a lidals and aldi s up the road ,and yet a third aldi being built just a mile away at other side of town,,
Just like the little corner shop owned by local woman so too does our local small farmer need support,
Just like the little corner shop owned by local woman so too does our local small farmer need support,
Are small shops in Ireland subsidized by the state or the EU? Nope, they are subjected to the Free Market of survival of the fittest and many small shop owners have adapted to changing times with the arrival of large retailers in Ireland over the last 50 years.
Many farmers would also survive without subsidies if they are willing to change and become more productive. That's the nature of Capitalism, It sorts out the slackers from the hard workers/innovative people while Socialism rewards laziness and inefficiency.
Unproductive small farms should be allowed go bust, that's just a way of life.
kennyfromdublin: Are small shops in Ireland subsidized by the state or the EU? Nope, they are subjected to the Free Market of survival of the fittest and many small shop owners have adapted to changing times with the arrival of large retailers in Ireland over the last 50 years.
Many farmers would also survive without subsidies if they are willing to change and become more productive. That's the nature of Capitalism, It sorts out the slackers from the hard workers/innovative people while Socialism rewards laziness and inefficiency.
Unproductive small farms should be allowed go bust, that's just a way of life.
Many farmers would also survive without subsidies if they are willing to change and become more productive. That's the nature of Capitalism, It sorts out the slackers from the hard workers/innovative people while Socialism rewards laziness and inefficiency.
Unproductive small farms should be allowed go bust, that's just a way of life.
I just buy my eggs and spuds from a local farmer at the door,,it's his livelihood,,,.
kennyfromdublin: Are small shops in Ireland subsidized by the state or the EU? Nope, they are subjected to the Free Market of survival of the fittest and many small shop owners have adapted to changing times with the arrival of large retailers in Ireland over the last 50 years.
Many farmers would also survive without subsidies if they are willing to change and become more productive. That's the nature of Capitalism, It sorts out the slackers from the hard workers/innovative people while Socialism rewards laziness and inefficiency.
Unproductive small farms should be allowed go bust, that's just a way of life.
Many farmers would also survive without subsidies if they are willing to change and become more productive. That's the nature of Capitalism, It sorts out the slackers from the hard workers/innovative people while Socialism rewards laziness and inefficiency.
Unproductive small farms should be allowed go bust, that's just a way of life.
I support the local shop,thr local supermarket,,local lidals,local butchers ,,,dunnes,petits super value,,tesco bit too big,,okay on occasion,lol...yes women like to shop around ,,for bargains and quality,,women ate the biggest consumer when it's comes to shopping.
peachmelba: I just buy my eggs and spuds from a local farmer at the door,,it's his livelihood,,,.
We have a farmer like that around here too and I buy off him on occasion. But remember this farmer might play the role of hard working farmer trying to make a living, BUT he is receiving taxpayers money/subsidies/dole to support his business, and as he is selling his produce cash in hand, I hope he is a man of considerable integrity and declares his profits as taxable income. Somehow I doubt it.
stanley8m: We have a farmer like that around here too and I buy off him on occasion. But remember this farmer might play the role of hard working farmer trying to make a living, BUT he is receiving taxpayers money/subsidies/dole to support his business, and as he is selling his produce cash in hand, I hope he is a man of considerable integrity and declares his profits as taxable income. Somehow I doubt it.
Think they should move the people that live in built up estates and who have no prospects of jobs and sick of the smog to the west of Ireland ,, some very big landowners around Eire share the land ,...
..think I need a cupa I use Wexford creamery milk best in the land,, .......think you be good voice stan for the workers,, peachmelba: Think they should move the people that live in built up estates and who have no prospects of jobs and sick of the smog to the west of Ireland ,, some very big landowners around Eire share the land ,... ..think I need a cupa I use Wexford creamery milk best in the land,,
.......think you be good voice stan for the workers,,
.......think you be good voice stan for the workers,,
That would be brilliant idea Peach. One of the subsidies in place at the moment is the single farm payment, whereby farmers get money/dole per acre of land and they don't have to work the land or anything. You see fields around the country laying unused because Lazy farmer just takes the subsidies and doesn't bother working the land. This land should be allocated for use by local taxpayers as allotment sites where they could grow fruit and veg, raise chickens, pigs, lambs etc for their own use, or to make a few bob. The farmers are already being paid for it by the taxpayer, so what would they have to complain about. But then again, complaining and whinging is the only thing a lot of these farmers are good at.
stanley8m: That would be brilliant idea Peach. One of the subsidies in place at the moment is the single farm payment, whereby farmers get money/dole per acre of land and they don't have to work the land or anything. You see fields around the country laying unused because Lazy farmer just takes the subsidies and doesn't bother working the land. This land should be allocated for use by local taxpayers as allotment sites where they could grow fruit and veg, raise chickens, pigs, lambs etc for their own use, or to make a few bob. The farmers are already being paid for it by the taxpayer, so what would they have to complain about. But then again, complaining and whinging is the only thing a lot of these farmers are good at.
Yes stan this is my point,,,now all you need is to get elected,,ill canvas for you...thing is those in the top seat have friends in high places,,but we will go on and overthrow them just have faith in yourself stan,,the backbone of Eire will back you up,,
.peachmelba: Yes stan this is my point,,,now all you need is to get elected,,ill canvas for you...thing is those in the top seat have friends in high places,,but we will go on and overthrow them just have faith in yourself stan,,the backbone of Eire will back you up,, .
Stan is our man. Vote for change green pastures is for all that will work the land,
Like derelict buildings that lay wasted built in the boom. So too is land lay wasted while farmers claiming on it,,
stanley8m: Of course it is important for Irish farming to survive, BUT, why are we subsidising them, as you said yourself the hard working taxpayer, for example your son setting up a business gets nothing, while multi millionaire farmers have the profits from their business plus the farmers dole/subsidies. Is that fair or just in any way??
New Zealand scrapped their farm subsidies in 1985 and the farmers rose to the challenge becoming more productive, and cutting costs to remain competitive in the home and export market.
Irish farmers just whinge and complain looking for more money off the hard working taxpayers. Sponging parasites, and Buzzy wants us to pay more at the counter for their meat and veg, so really he wants us to subsidise them twice. Great plan Buzzy.
New Zealand scrapped their farm subsidies in 1985 and the farmers rose to the challenge becoming more productive, and cutting costs to remain competitive in the home and export market.
Irish farmers just whinge and complain looking for more money off the hard working taxpayers. Sponging parasites, and Buzzy wants us to pay more at the counter for their meat and veg, so really he wants us to subsidise them twice. Great plan Buzzy.
did you ever buy meat/ farm products over the counter in new zealand??the way your talking you never did. i did, twice the price as here. you Think irish farmers are lazy, go to new Zealand then you will see Lazy farmers haha
By the way they have to farm the land,another Fact, they don't get subsidies for lane ways farm yards, over grown Plantation, they have to farm the land. if they didn't they wouldn't get subsidies, the government knows exactly how much land your farming what scale you are farming it 2. they know exactly how many animals they have and how many cattle are passing through the farmers farm in the year.
They are subsidies because its not profitable, no matter if the went the new zealand way, even if ya got 3000 acres of land for noting still wouldn't make money
'' so really he wants us to subsidise them twice'' I said if they got more for their product, now that's doesn't mean increase the Price at the shop or the government giving them more, just regulate a bit better, so that they would at least make profit, subsidies them twice?? if they did this the supplements would be gone,
farmers wouldn't mind if it went like new zealand, i agree about there way of farming apart from killing all male calves, think they stopped that now in the passed month, thank god that was just cruel.
2 Questions:
Have any idea how much a farmer with a 100 acres gets in supplements each year?
when you answering that, answer this how much does a employee earn in a year? you can take lowest paid job.
if you can answer both of these question, it will tell you that you are more well off to be a employee .
if you cant answer the first Question, try a guess, Love to know what you think they get
buzzy111:
2 Questions:
Have any idea how much a farmer with a 100 acres gets in supplements each year?
when you answering that, answer this how much does a employee earn in a year? you can take lowest paid job.
if you can answer both of these question, it will tell you that you are more well off to be a employee .
if you cant answer the first Question, try a guess, Love to know what you think they get
2 Questions:
Have any idea how much a farmer with a 100 acres gets in supplements each year?
when you answering that, answer this how much does a employee earn in a year? you can take lowest paid job.
if you can answer both of these question, it will tell you that you are more well off to be a employee .
if you cant answer the first Question, try a guess, Love to know what you think they get
How long is a piece of string? The question takes into account single farm payments, farm improvement grants, subsidised VAT. I can tell you that Irish farmers will receive ELEVEN BILLION over the next seven years from one EU scheme alone, and I can also tell you that one County louth Farmer received over 1.2 Million Euro over a ten year period.
The figures are well hidden in bureaucracy Buzzy but I know of one small farmer, an acquaintance of mine who last year received 20 thousand euro in direct payments and also got thirty thousand euro for farm improvement plus whatever number of thousands he made from non payment of VAT.
From the figures I would suggest the average yearly farm payment for an average farm, from just the single farm payment, not including grants and non payment of VAT is circa 15 to 20 thousand a year.
Of course, being from farming stock, you are going to back with some ridiculous low figure based on someone who keeps two sheep in a glorified back garden.
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We should all get out and block the roads now we know farmers are exempt from water rates too.
every house hold that have there own water supply don't have to pay it
farming Industry i said that makes money not the farmers, sure if they were no farmers they would be no farming industry, 150000 jobs gone then you all will be happy