Farmers children three times more likely to go to college. (181)
stanley8m: Yes, we all hear Irish farmers demanding higher prices and attempting to bully the consumer into paying more for their produce. The latest one was an attack on Tesco in Naas where farmers chained shopping trolleys together.
Jesus wept, if the factories paid the farmer more the cost would be passed on to the consumer. Not only are the hard working taxpayers subsiding these sponging farmer parasites, but they are looking for us taxpayers to pay higher prices at the till too.
Jesus wept, if the factories paid the farmer more the cost would be passed on to the consumer. Not only are the hard working taxpayers subsiding these sponging farmer parasites, but they are looking for us taxpayers to pay higher prices at the till too.
you just dont have a clue about farming.
buzzy111: you just dont have a clue about farming.
Thank you Buzzy, that post tells everyone, your argument has well and truly been proven wrong.
Vive le Taxpayer.
stanley8m: Thank you Buzzy, that post tells everyone, your argument has well and truly been proven wrong.
Vive le Taxpayer.
Vive le Taxpayer.
Stan with all the tax breaks etc the Irish farmers get does that mean when I go back home my burgers with double cheese will be cheaper?
Phoenix: Stan with all the tax breaks etc the Irish farmers get does that mean when I go back home my burgers with double cheese will be cheaper?
One would think that with all the grants, subsidies and non payment of tax, our Irish farmers would thank the hard working taxpayers by lowering their prices, BUT, unfortunately the sponging parasite Irish farmers charge top dollar for their produce, and they still want more.
stanley8m: Thank you Buzzy, that post tells everyone, your argument has well and truly been proven wrong.
Vive le Taxpayer.
Vive le Taxpayer.
What Argument? just trying to explain the farmers problem with farming, you just don't understand it
to go back to the original question ''Farmers children three times more likely to go to college" yes but they are means tested, if a farmers wife was working full time their children wouldn't get the education grant.
buzzy111: What Argument? just trying to explain the farmers problem with farming, you just don't understand it
to go back to the original question ''Farmers children three times more likely to go to college" yes but they are means tested, if a farmers wife was working full time their children wouldn't get the education grant.
to go back to the original question ''Farmers children three times more likely to go to college" yes but they are means tested, if a farmers wife was working full time their children wouldn't get the education grant.
Are you telling me that wealthy land owning farmers who are already claiming the dole/subsidies, expect to get education grants for their children along with everything else????
Is there no end to Irish farmers greed and immorality.
stanley8m: Are you telling me that wealthy land owning farmers who are already claiming the dole/subsidies, expect to get education grants for their children along with everything else????
Is there no end to Irish farmers greed and immorality.
Is there no end to Irish farmers greed and immorality.
They are Means tested,which you keep ignoring. so its ok For a person to be on the dole and working for cash, how many people in ireland are at that? they get a house for almost noting 30 euro a week, then get the grant to go back to college and there children, i know 2 people husband and wife, the worked in dublin then they decided to give up their jobs about 12 years ago now, they haven't worked scene, they get a house and the dole, that have 2 fresh cars, they go and do courses just to keep the social welfare of their backs, they dont want to work again. do you think they are right? sure they are means tested sure it has to be right haha.
The fact is the less you have in this country the better off you are.
subsidies that a farmer gets is only a drop in a ocean, might look like huge amount, but they are spending 3 to 4 time that each year,and if they break even they are doing well.
lots of farms available to rent,you should try it for a year and see how you get on. at the end of the day you can keep saying that there ''Is there no end to Irish farmers greed and immorality''but you have to live the life to understand it.
buzzy111: They are Means tested,which you keep ignoring. so its ok For a person to be on the dole and working for cash, how many people in ireland are at that? they get a house for almost noting 30 euro a week, then get the grant to go back to college and there children, i know 2 people husband and wife, the worked in dublin then they decided to give up their jobs about 12 years ago now, they haven't worked scene, they get a house and the dole, that have 2 fresh cars, they go and do courses just to keep the social welfare of their backs, they dont want to work again. do you think they are right? sure they are means tested sure it has to be right haha.
The fact is the less you have in this country the better off you are.
subsidies that a farmer gets is only a drop in a ocean, might look like huge amount, but they are spending 3 to 4 time that each year,and if they break even they are doing well.
lots of farms available to rent,you should try it for a year and see how you get on. at the end of the day you can keep saying that there ''Is there no end to Irish farmers greed and immorality''but you have to live the life to understand it.
The fact is the less you have in this country the better off you are.
subsidies that a farmer gets is only a drop in a ocean, might look like huge amount, but they are spending 3 to 4 time that each year,and if they break even they are doing well.
lots of farms available to rent,you should try it for a year and see how you get on. at the end of the day you can keep saying that there ''Is there no end to Irish farmers greed and immorality''but you have to live the life to understand it.
I come from rural Ireland so I know what hard physical work entails and I don't agree with people who work and claim social welfare or defraud the taxpayer in any way. I am sure it must be hard to have a farm and not be able to make a living from it, BUT by claiming subsidies, grants and all the rest, Irish farmers are no better than dole fraudsters, the only difference is their sponging off the taxpayer is condoned and legal, and this situation has arose through farmers bullying the Irish state.
The people I feel sorry for in this are the hard working taxpayers who struggle to make ends meet. When their kids want to go to college there are no grants or subsidies, and therefore the kids end up stuck in dead end jobs or forced into emigration, while the farmers kids swan around Trinity, all paid for by the hard working taxpayer who cannot afford to send their own kids there.
Is that fair and just Buzzy?
stanley8m: I come from rural Ireland so I know what hard physical work entails and I don't agree with people who work and claim social welfare or defraud the taxpayer in any way. I am sure it must be hard to have a farm and not be able to make a living from it, BUT by claiming subsidies, grants and all the rest, Irish farmers are no better than dole fraudsters, the only difference is their sponging off the taxpayer is condoned and legal, and this situation has arose through farmers bullying the Irish state.
The people I feel sorry for in this are the hard working taxpayers who struggle to make ends meet. When their kids want to go to college there are no grants or subsidies, and therefore the kids end up stuck in dead end jobs or forced into emigration, while the farmers kids swan around Trinity, all paid for by the hard working taxpayer who cannot afford to send their own kids there.
Is that fair and just Buzzy?
The people I feel sorry for in this are the hard working taxpayers who struggle to make ends meet. When their kids want to go to college there are no grants or subsidies, and therefore the kids end up stuck in dead end jobs or forced into emigration, while the farmers kids swan around Trinity, all paid for by the hard working taxpayer who cannot afford to send their own kids there.
Is that fair and just Buzzy?
Farmers pay tax and vat, the same as anyone that works or has there own business, the Government makes big money from farming every year so they can afford to supplement farmers, if it didn't pay them they wouldn't do it.
Yes they are farmers that hold cattle just as a hobbie, they dont spend much, and don't use all the supplement . but thats dying out now, they are forced to improve farming conditions. which is right.
By Taring farmers with the same brush is not far, same as some people on the dole are trying very hard to get work, most farmers go out every day and try to make money.
A lot of farmers take loans to put kids into college, and i know alot of farmers that paid 2500 for their son or daughter to go to college, they go for a few months, they don't like the course or not able for it and drop out, i know in my situation i had to work first then i went to college my father didn't help me, he would if he could but he just wasn't able. he had to sell land to Get out dept before he retired.
Farming looks rosy from the outside, but the same as any house hold they get it hard to keep going to.
buzzy111: Farmers pay tax and vat, the same as anyone that works or has there own business, the Government makes big money from farming every year so they can afford to supplement farmers, if it didn't pay them they wouldn't do it.
Yes they are farmers that hold cattle just as a hobbie, they dont spend much, and don't use all the supplement . but thats dying out now, they are forced to improve farming conditions. which is right.
By Taring farmers with the same brush is not far, same as some people on the dole are trying very hard to get work, most farmers go out every day and try to make money.
A lot of farmers take loans to put kids into college, and i know alot of farmers that paid 2500 for their son or daughter to go to college, they go for a few months, they don't like the course or not able for it and drop out, i know in my situation i had to work first then i went to college my father didn't help me, he would if he could but he just wasn't able. he had to sell land to Get out dept before he retired.
Farming looks rosy from the outside, but the same as any house hold they get it hard to keep going to.
Yes they are farmers that hold cattle just as a hobbie, they dont spend much, and don't use all the supplement . but thats dying out now, they are forced to improve farming conditions. which is right.
By Taring farmers with the same brush is not far, same as some people on the dole are trying very hard to get work, most farmers go out every day and try to make money.
A lot of farmers take loans to put kids into college, and i know alot of farmers that paid 2500 for their son or daughter to go to college, they go for a few months, they don't like the course or not able for it and drop out, i know in my situation i had to work first then i went to college my father didn't help me, he would if he could but he just wasn't able. he had to sell land to Get out dept before he retired.
Farming looks rosy from the outside, but the same as any house hold they get it hard to keep going to.
Buzzy, the problem with Irish farming is not down to the farmers, the prices or the consumer.
Most Irish farms are just too small to ever become profitable, and once they continue to be subsidised the problem can never be rectified.
It is unfair on the hard working taxpayer who also work damned hard for a living to see farmers being subsidised while they are being crippled with tax.
Third level education should be open to those who deserve it on merit, not those who can pay it out of their subsidies.
stanley8m: Buzzy, the problem with Irish farming is not down to the farmers, the prices or the consumer.
Most Irish farms are just too small to ever become profitable, and once they continue to be subsidised the problem can never be rectified.
It is unfair on the hard working taxpayer who also work damned hard for a living to see farmers being subsidised while they are being crippled with tax.
Third level education should be open to those who deserve it on merit, not those who can pay it out of their subsidies.
Most Irish farms are just too small to ever become profitable, and once they continue to be subsidised the problem can never be rectified.
It is unfair on the hard working taxpayer who also work damned hard for a living to see farmers being subsidised while they are being crippled with tax.
Third level education should be open to those who deserve it on merit, not those who can pay it out of their subsidies.
you make out farmers and taxpayers to be to different type of people, farmers do pay tax as i keep saying, and they are hard working. it doesn't matter if a farmer only has a small bit of land, that doesn't mean they are limited to the amount of cattle they can hold, it doesn't matter how much land and cattle you have,you will turn bigger amounts of money but that not going to increase profit, just dept
lots of business get subsidized not just farming. tourism and manufacturing get grants as well.
To say they don't deserve education is wrong, everyone does. they all need point to get the course,so they to have merit. they just dont walk in and get the course they want, if they are in trinity college, they got the point to be there, not every farm son/daughter goes there
buzzy111: you make out farmers and taxpayers to be to different type of people, farmers do pay tax as i keep saying, and they are hard working. it doesn't matter if a farmer only has a small bit of land, that doesn't mean they are limited to the amount of cattle they can hold, it doesn't matter how much land and cattle you have,you will turn bigger amounts of money but that not going to increase profit, just dept
lots of business get subsidized not just farming. tourism and manufacturing get grants as well.
To say they don't deserve education is wrong, everyone does. they all need point to get the course,so they to have merit. they just dont walk in and get the course they want, if they are in trinity college, they got the point to be there, not every farm son/daughter goes there
lots of business get subsidized not just farming. tourism and manufacturing get grants as well.
To say they don't deserve education is wrong, everyone does. they all need point to get the course,so they to have merit. they just dont walk in and get the course they want, if they are in trinity college, they got the point to be there, not every farm son/daughter goes there
I know several taxpayers whose children got the points to attend the large universities but they couldn't afford the cost of attending and paying the fees. I know you come from a farmer utopia of grants and subsidies, therefore I wouldn't expect you to understand how hard working taxpayers have to pay tax and do not receive subsidies from the taxpayers.
The reason that farmers children are three times more likely to attend third level is because they are being subsidised by the hard working taxpayers who cannot afford to send their kids to these same establishments.
Oh and saying farmers are taxpayers because they have to self declare a tiny portion of their earnings doesn't stand up to scrutiny seeing as what they pay in tax is far outweighed by what they get from the taxpayer in subsidies grants and non payment of VAT.
stanley8m: I know several taxpayers whose children got the points to attend the large universities but they couldn't afford the cost of attending and paying the fees. I know you come from a farmer utopia of grants and subsidies, therefore I wouldn't expect you to understand how hard working taxpayers have to pay tax and do not receive subsidies from the taxpayers.
The reason that farmers children are three times more likely to attend third level is because they are being subsidised by the hard working taxpayers who cannot afford to send their kids to these same establishments.
Oh and saying farmers are taxpayers because they have to self declare a tiny portion of their earnings doesn't stand up to scrutiny seeing as what they pay in tax is far outweighed by what they get from the taxpayer in subsidies grants and non payment of VAT.
The reason that farmers children are three times more likely to attend third level is because they are being subsidised by the hard working taxpayers who cannot afford to send their kids to these same establishments.
Oh and saying farmers are taxpayers because they have to self declare a tiny portion of their earnings doesn't stand up to scrutiny seeing as what they pay in tax is far outweighed by what they get from the taxpayer in subsidies grants and non payment of VAT.
stanley8m: I know several taxpayers whose children got the points to attend the large universities but they couldn't afford the cost of attending and paying the fees. I know you come from a farmer utopia of grants and subsidies, therefore I wouldn't expect you to understand how hard working taxpayers have to pay tax and do not receive subsidies from the taxpayers.
The reason that farmers children are three times more likely to attend third level is because they are being subsidised by the hard working taxpayers who cannot afford to send their kids to these same establishments.
Oh and saying farmers are taxpayers because they have to self declare a tiny portion of their earnings doesn't stand up to scrutiny seeing as what they pay in tax is far outweighed by what they get from the taxpayer in subsidies grants and non payment of VAT.
The reason that farmers children are three times more likely to attend third level is because they are being subsidised by the hard working taxpayers who cannot afford to send their kids to these same establishments.
Oh and saying farmers are taxpayers because they have to self declare a tiny portion of their earnings doesn't stand up to scrutiny seeing as what they pay in tax is far outweighed by what they get from the taxpayer in subsidies grants and non payment of VAT.
stanley8m: I know several taxpayers whose children got the points to attend the large universities but they couldn't afford the cost of attending and paying the fees. I know you come from a farmer utopia of grants and subsidies, therefore I wouldn't expect you to understand how hard working taxpayers have to pay tax and do not receive subsidies from the taxpayers.
The reason that farmers children are three times more likely to attend third level is because they are being subsidised by the hard working taxpayers who cannot afford to send their kids to these same establishments.
Oh and saying farmers are taxpayers because they have to self declare a tiny portion of their earnings doesn't stand up to scrutiny seeing as what they pay in tax is far outweighed by what they get from the taxpayer in subsidies grants and non payment of VAT.
The reason that farmers children are three times more likely to attend third level is because they are being subsidised by the hard working taxpayers who cannot afford to send their kids to these same establishments.
Oh and saying farmers are taxpayers because they have to self declare a tiny portion of their earnings doesn't stand up to scrutiny seeing as what they pay in tax is far outweighed by what they get from the taxpayer in subsidies grants and non payment of VAT.
Farmers do declare all of there income,Vat i know we pay it, fuel they get Agri Diesel its is cheaper,but new tractors only use the same diesel as in cars and have to use add blue with it, which is a extra cost,i do understand tax as i work for myself,and 3 people employed at the moment. Your not from farming back round how do you understand the tax they pay. if they were making out they were making a loss all the time, how are they buying machinery putting up sheds and buying animals and feed? with cash? they wouldn't get a loan and no one has that kind of money lining around the house. so most farmers pay as much tax as you do, So they are tax payers
buzzy111: Farmers do declare all of there income,Vat i know we pay it, fuel they get Agri Diesel its is cheaper,but new tractors only use the same diesel as in cars and have to use add blue with it, which is a extra cost,i do understand tax as i work for myself,and 3 people employed at the moment. Your not from farming back round how do you understand the tax they pay. if they were making out they were making a loss all the time, how are they buying machinery putting up sheds and buying animals and feed? with cash? they wouldn't get a loan and no one has that kind of money lining around the house. so most farmers pay as much tax as you do, So they are tax payers
So, you farmers pay VAT but use agri diesel? Ahem Buzzy, if I buy diesel I pay full VAT whereas your diesel is only 80 cents a litre, so where is that loss of VAT being made up? Muggins here and all the other honest hardworking taxpayers are subsidising your agri diesel my friend.
Oh and as for these farmers buying machinery and putting up sheds, do you honestly think I believe that there are NO GRANTS payments made for these, now be very careful how you answer Buzzy.
Oh and these wealthy farmers buying machinery and paying tax, if they are so hard working and successful in business, do they forfeit the subsidies, grants and pay full VAT on their diesel like the honest hardworking taxpayers?
No, they bloody well don't, because Irish farmers are sponging parasites, scrounging a living off the hard working taxpayers.
stanley8m: So, you farmers pay VAT but use agri diesel? Ahem Buzzy, if I buy diesel I pay full VAT whereas your diesel is only 80 cents a litre, so where is that loss of VAT being made up? Muggins here and all the other honest hardworking taxpayers are subsidising your agri diesel my friend.
Oh and as for these farmers buying machinery and putting up sheds, do you honestly think I believe that there are NO GRANTS payments made for these, now be very careful how you answer Buzzy.
Oh and these wealthy farmers buying machinery and paying tax, if they are so hard working and successful in business, do they forfeit the subsidies, grants and pay full VAT on their diesel like the honest hardworking taxpayers?
No, they bloody well don't, because Irish farmers are sponging parasites, scrounging a living off the hard working taxpayers.
Oh and as for these farmers buying machinery and putting up sheds, do you honestly think I believe that there are NO GRANTS payments made for these, now be very careful how you answer Buzzy.
Oh and these wealthy farmers buying machinery and paying tax, if they are so hard working and successful in business, do they forfeit the subsidies, grants and pay full VAT on their diesel like the honest hardworking taxpayers?
No, they bloody well don't, because Irish farmers are sponging parasites, scrounging a living off the hard working taxpayers.
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Jesus wept, if the factories paid the farmer more the cost would be passed on to the consumer. Not only are the hard working taxpayers subsiding these sponging farmer parasites, but they are looking for us taxpayers to pay higher prices at the till too.
you just dont have a clue about farming.