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stanley8mkildare, Kildare Ireland156 Threads 7 Polls 5,341 PostsHow can I answer what an employee gets paid, when you didn't specify their job, their tax rate or how many hours they work?
stanley8m: How can I answer what an employee gets paid, when you didn't specify their job, their tax rate or how many hours they work?
right, low paid job say 380 after tax 19760 take home in the year, would you agree with that figure?
buzzy111: right, low paid job say 380 after tax 19760 take home in the year, would you agree with that figure?
I don't get the comparison between someone in a low paid job working hard to take home circa 20,000, and a farmer getting a tax free dole payment of circa 20,000 in single farm payment?
You have to remember the farmer is also getting farm improvement grants, plus on a hundred acre farm he could easily raise a 100 beef cattle and 300 ewes worth a conservative estimate of 150,000 Euro. Ok, I know there are overheads but surely you don't expect me to believe the farmer wouldn't make any profit?
Also the farmer would surely grow staple foodstuffs saving costs on groceries, in contrast to the minimum wage hard working taxpayer who has to try buy food, pay bills and survive on less than the 20,000 Euro the farmer receives in subsidy.
stanley8m: I don't get the comparison between someone in a low paid job working hard to take home circa 20,000, and a farmer getting a tax free dole payment of circa 20,000 in single farm payment?
You have to remember the farmer is also getting farm improvement grants, plus on a hundred acre farm he could easily raise a 100 beef cattle and 300 ewes worth a conservative estimate of 150,000 Euro. Ok, I know there are overheads but surely you don't expect me to believe the farmer wouldn't make any profit?
Also the farmer would surely grow staple foodstuffs saving costs on groceries, in contrast to the minimum wage hard working taxpayer who has to try buy food, pay bills and survive on less than the 20,000 Euro the farmer receives in subsidy.
You have to remember the farmer is also getting farm improvement grants, plus on a hundred acre farm he could easily raise a 100 beef cattle and 300 ewes worth a conservative estimate of 150,000 Euro. Ok, I know there are overheads but surely you don't expect me to believe the farmer wouldn't make any profit?
Also the farmer would surely grow staple foodstuffs saving costs on groceries, in contrast to the minimum wage hard working taxpayer who has to try buy food, pay bills and survive on less than the 20,000 Euro the farmer receives in subsidy.
Do you like ewes
WittyandWise: Do you like ewes
Ewes women are always picking on me here.
But I do like a girl wearing a sheepskin coat and a smile, just a smile like.
stanley8m: Ewes women are always picking on me here.
But I do like a girl wearing a sheepskin coat and a smile, just a smile like.
But I do like a girl wearing a sheepskin coat and a smile, just a smile like.
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Either way the farmers are still making something, regardless of whether or not it's through subsidies or hard work - hence they are still in business.
I don't begrudge anyone making a few pound; farming is hard work, I wouldn't like to be in that industry at all at all, weather dependent, loss of crops, diseases, na, not for me.
But I do like me a good steak
I don't begrudge anyone making a few pound; farming is hard work, I wouldn't like to be in that industry at all at all, weather dependent, loss of crops, diseases, na, not for me.
But I do like me a good steak
stanley8m: I don't get the comparison between someone in a low paid job working hard to take home circa 20,000, and a farmer getting a tax free dole payment of circa 20,000 in single farm payment?
You have to remember the farmer is also getting farm improvement grants, plus on a hundred acre farm he could easily raise a 100 beef cattle and 300 ewes worth a conservative estimate of 150,000 Euro. Ok, I know there are overheads but surely you don't expect me to believe the farmer wouldn't make any profit?
Also the farmer would surely grow staple foodstuffs saving costs on groceries, in contrast to the minimum wage hard working taxpayer who has to try buy food, pay bills and survive on less than the 20,000 Euro the farmer receives in subsidy.
You have to remember the farmer is also getting farm improvement grants, plus on a hundred acre farm he could easily raise a 100 beef cattle and 300 ewes worth a conservative estimate of 150,000 Euro. Ok, I know there are overheads but surely you don't expect me to believe the farmer wouldn't make any profit?
Also the farmer would surely grow staple foodstuffs saving costs on groceries, in contrast to the minimum wage hard working taxpayer who has to try buy food, pay bills and survive on less than the 20,000 Euro the farmer receives in subsidy.
To be very Honest with you i dont know where you got that idea of a 20000 single farm payment,yes if they have lots of land.
''plus on a hundred acre farm he could easily raise a 100 beef cattle and 300 ewes'' you would in you hole haha, you would not have a pick of grass, the sheep are like lawnmowers haha.
100 acres farm right about 9000 single farm payment a year
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buzzy111: To be very Honest with you i dont know where you got that idea of a 20000 single farm payment,yes if they have lots of land.
''plus on a hundred acre farm he could easily raise a 100 beef cattle and 300 ewes'' you would in you hole haha, you would not have a pick of grass, the sheep are like lawnmowers haha.
100 acres farm right about 9000 single farm payment a year
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''plus on a hundred acre farm he could easily raise a 100 beef cattle and 300 ewes'' you would in you hole haha, you would not have a pick of grass, the sheep are like lawnmowers haha.
100 acres farm right about 9000 single farm payment a year
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Ok, I got my 20,000 euro figure from dividing the 11 billion of Eu funding by the 140,000 farms in Ireland, which works out at circe 13,000 Euro a year on average, and trying to work out where a hundred acres would fit it.
So are you saying that a farmer with 100 acres would have to live on 9,000 euro of farm subsidy?
The recommended farming for beef is one per acre and as cattle and Sheep have different grazing preference, I presume that the sheep could be worked together for maximum efficiency. Plus fencing off land would ensure adequate grazing with perhaps enough room to harvest winter feed in the form of silage or hay crops. I am no expert on farming, but surely a hundred acres could support and raise at least a few animals, even a few thousand turkeys for Christmas, or is there no profit in feeding birds either?
Oh and if farming is that bad a profession, How come farmers in New Zealand can live off their land?
Sean is a Carlow farmer and he seems optimistic about farming in your region, or is he like me, and does he not have a clue what he is talking about too?
stanley8m: Ok, I got my 20,000 euro figure from dividing the 11 billion of Eu funding by the 140,000 farms in Ireland, which works out at circe 13,000 Euro a year on average, and trying to work out where a hundred acres would fit it.
So are you saying that a farmer with 100 acres would have to live on 9,000 euro of farm subsidy?
The recommended farming for beef is one per acre and as cattle and Sheep have different grazing preference, I presume that the sheep could be worked together for maximum efficiency. Plus fencing off land would ensure adequate grazing with perhaps enough room to harvest winter feed in the form of silage or hay crops. I am no expert on farming, but surely a hundred acres could support and raise at least a few animals, even a few thousand turkeys for Christmas, or is there no profit in feeding birds either?
Oh and if farming is that bad a profession, How come farmers in New Zealand can live off their land?
So are you saying that a farmer with 100 acres would have to live on 9,000 euro of farm subsidy?
The recommended farming for beef is one per acre and as cattle and Sheep have different grazing preference, I presume that the sheep could be worked together for maximum efficiency. Plus fencing off land would ensure adequate grazing with perhaps enough room to harvest winter feed in the form of silage or hay crops. I am no expert on farming, but surely a hundred acres could support and raise at least a few animals, even a few thousand turkeys for Christmas, or is there no profit in feeding birds either?
Oh and if farming is that bad a profession, How come farmers in New Zealand can live off their land?
so 100 acres 100 cattle ya that's about right, you couldn't hold 300 sheep aswell thats out of the Question.
If your fating cattle you will also have to feed them along with the grass which is about 240 euro a tonne, say you get 10 tonne thats 2400. feeding 100 cattle about 2 months at the most Now this is not the same as every farm as all land is different, limestone county's has more feeding in grass.
harvest season hay/silage first cut end of may /june. say 30 acres is cut, to get a good cut its has never being grazed sense November last year, it has got fertilizer as well, which will cost about 1500, and getting a contractor in which is another 3000 to 35000 euro and thats just one cut, how is the 9000 lasting out? thats only some of the cost.
I looked at the whether forecast last night in new zealand, as its still in winter, it 15/17 degrees, grass is still growing all year around, cattle out all the time, no need for sheds. this a great help to kiwi,
your paying allot more for farm products
buzzy111: so 100 acres 100 cattle ya that's about right, you couldn't hold 300 sheep aswell thats out of the Question.
If your fating cattle you will also have to feed them along with the grass which is about 240 euro a tonne, say you get 10 tonne thats 2400. feeding 100 cattle about 2 months at the most Now this is not the same as every farm as all land is different, limestone county's has more feeding in grass.
harvest season hay/silage first cut end of may /june. say 30 acres is cut, to get a good cut its has never being grazed sense November last year, it has got fertilizer as well, which will cost about 1500, and getting a contractor in which is another 3000 to 35000 euro and thats just one cut, how is the 9000 lasting out? thats only some of the cost.
I looked at the whether forecast last night in new zealand, as its still in winter, it 15/17 degrees, grass is still growing all year around, cattle out all the time, no need for sheds. this a great help to kiwi,
your paying allot more for farm products
If your fating cattle you will also have to feed them along with the grass which is about 240 euro a tonne, say you get 10 tonne thats 2400. feeding 100 cattle about 2 months at the most Now this is not the same as every farm as all land is different, limestone county's has more feeding in grass.
harvest season hay/silage first cut end of may /june. say 30 acres is cut, to get a good cut its has never being grazed sense November last year, it has got fertilizer as well, which will cost about 1500, and getting a contractor in which is another 3000 to 35000 euro and thats just one cut, how is the 9000 lasting out? thats only some of the cost.
I looked at the whether forecast last night in new zealand, as its still in winter, it 15/17 degrees, grass is still growing all year around, cattle out all the time, no need for sheds. this a great help to kiwi,
your paying allot more for farm products
Hold on a minute, you are hiring in a contractor to cut your grass and buying in all your feed, Eh, you do realize you are confirming the stereotype lazy subsidy grabbing farmer?
Why not grow fodder beet for feeding and cut your own hay and silage?
Plus, you are coming out with the land is no good for growing grass, ah come on Buzzy. This is the land of forty shades of green, and why are you being in vast amounts of commercial fertilizer when you could be planning ahead and supplementing a nitrogen rich material with composting the waste generated by your 100 cattle?
Or does eco friendly sustainable farming sound a tad like hard work?
To be honest your version of farming sounds like get in quick, grab the grants and subsidies and do damned all work, Del boy type system. Maybe Iriah farmers should stop whining about "Poor Grass" and question their work ethic.
stanley8m: Hold on a minute, you are hiring in a contractor to cut your grass and buying in all your feed, Eh, you do realize you are confirming the stereotype lazy subsidy grabbing farmer?
Why not grow fodder beet for feeding and cut your own hay and silage?
Plus, you are coming out with the land is no good for growing grass, ah come on Buzzy. This is the land of forty shades of green, and why are you being in vast amounts of commercial fertilizer when you could be planning ahead and supplementing a nitrogen rich material with composting the waste generated by your 100 cattle?
Or does eco friendly sustainable farming sound a tad like hard work?
To be honest your version of farming sounds like get in quick, grab the grants and subsidies and do damned all work, Del boy type system. Maybe Iriah farmers should stop whining about "Poor Grass" and question their work ethic.
Why not grow fodder beet for feeding and cut your own hay and silage?
Plus, you are coming out with the land is no good for growing grass, ah come on Buzzy. This is the land of forty shades of green, and why are you being in vast amounts of commercial fertilizer when you could be planning ahead and supplementing a nitrogen rich material with composting the waste generated by your 100 cattle?
Or does eco friendly sustainable farming sound a tad like hard work?
To be honest your version of farming sounds like get in quick, grab the grants and subsidies and do damned all work, Del boy type system. Maybe Iriah farmers should stop whining about "Poor Grass" and question their work ethic.
new Zealand use all contractors,thats a fact, they might just have one tractor to feed.
do you have any idea how much a silage out fit costs? it wouldnt justify to just to cut 60 acres a year. plus it creates a job.
Plus its not a one man job.
Some farmers do buy there own silage outfit, which is slow and not productive, plus pay 1500 fuel cost for 30 acres plus break down cost as its secondhand machinery. pay at least 3 people to work, as its not a one man job. at the end of the day they might save 500, then a big break down would would put a halt to everything.
Hundred acres, 100 cattle 300 ewes, grow fodder beat, cut enough silage and hay, spreed no fertilizer, only slurry/dung, which every farmer does anyway. wake up please haha
land is different, you can ring the department of agriculture if you don't believe me.
You complain about the land is not productive, factory animals have to be killed at 30 months, or their meat quantity would be reduce which will reduce price they get. to be productive they have to be fatten in this time scale, and your going to do this by not feeding them?? couldn't be done
no sound like get it Quick and spend it quick, if its not spent before they get it
buzzy111: new Zealand use all contractors,thats a fact, they might just have one tractor to feed.
do you have any idea how much a silage out fit costs? it wouldnt justify to just to cut 60 acres a year. plus it creates a job.
Plus its not a one man job.
Some farmers do buy there own silage outfit, which is slow and not productive, plus pay 1500 fuel cost for 30 acres plus break down cost as its secondhand machinery. pay at least 3 people to work, as its not a one man job. at the end of the day they might save 500, then a big break down would would put a halt to everything.
Hundred acres, 100 cattle 300 ewes, grow fodder beat, cut enough silage and hay, spreed no fertilizer, only slurry/dung, which every farmer does anyway. wake up please haha
land is different, you can ring the department of agriculture if you don't believe me.
You complain about the land is not productive, factory animals have to be killed at 30 months, or their meat quantity would be reduce which will reduce price they get. to be productive they have to be fatten in this time scale, and your going to do this by not feeding them?? couldn't be done
no sound like get it Quick and spend it quick, if its not spent before they get it
do you have any idea how much a silage out fit costs? it wouldnt justify to just to cut 60 acres a year. plus it creates a job.
Plus its not a one man job.
Some farmers do buy there own silage outfit, which is slow and not productive, plus pay 1500 fuel cost for 30 acres plus break down cost as its secondhand machinery. pay at least 3 people to work, as its not a one man job. at the end of the day they might save 500, then a big break down would would put a halt to everything.
Hundred acres, 100 cattle 300 ewes, grow fodder beat, cut enough silage and hay, spreed no fertilizer, only slurry/dung, which every farmer does anyway. wake up please haha
land is different, you can ring the department of agriculture if you don't believe me.
You complain about the land is not productive, factory animals have to be killed at 30 months, or their meat quantity would be reduce which will reduce price they get. to be productive they have to be fatten in this time scale, and your going to do this by not feeding them?? couldn't be done
no sound like get it Quick and spend it quick, if its not spent before they get it
Ah Buzzy you are a gas man, the grass is doing it wrong, the stone beneath the ground is doing it wrong, the contractors are doing it wrong, the processors are doing it wrong , Tesco is doing it wrong, the consumer is doing it wrong. Jeez even the fodder beet and turkeys are wrong. The only thing you think is right is that them poor starving Farmers need more subsidies.
stanley8m: Sean is a Carlow farmer and he seems optimistic about farming in your region, or is he like me, and does he not have a clue what he is talking about too?
Sean can be more Optimistic that others, didn't he invest in a pub in Dublin for 500,000 euro, not bad for a man 28, fare play to him, he is a good Ruby Player. farmers are Optimistic for the future, they want farming to be Profitable and able to expand, is that such a bad thing?
9000 single farm payment, its only a drop in a ocean compared to what they spend every year
stanley8m: Ah Buzzy you are a gas man, the grass is doing it wrong, the stone beneath the ground is doing it wrong, the contractors are doing it wrong, the processors are doing it wrong , Tesco is doing it wrong, the consumer is doing it wrong. Jeez even the fodder beet and turkeys are wrong. The only thing you think is right is that them poor starving Farmers need more subsidies.
Stop farming with a pen, it just wont work haha. you should go farming it would be a good laugh haha
stanley8m: Ah Buzzy you are a gas man, the grass is doing it wrong, the stone beneath the ground is doing it wrong, the contractors are doing it wrong, the processors are doing it wrong , Tesco is doing it wrong, the consumer is doing it wrong. Jeez even the fodder beet and turkeys are wrong. The only thing you think is right is that them poor starving Farmers need more subsidies.
Did you listen to that video? all a farmer wants is at least the cost of production, to make it profitable, the dont want a grant the want to stand on there own feet and expand
buzzy111: Stop farming with a pen, it just wont work haha. you should go farming it would be a good laugh haha
But that is the point buzzy, some farmers refuse to change, they reject new ideas, they refuse to diversify or make any sort of effort that requires hard work.
Peach buys eggs and veg off her local farmer, why can't you do the same, set aside a couple of acres for veg and sell the product in Carlow town or Tullow, Likewise you could buy a cement mixer for a couple of hundred euro, get gravel and cement off Dan Morrissey and build a couple of sheds for Turkeys and Chickens, sell them on at a profit and keep your Beef herd as your main earner.
The farmer I know, gets 20,000 euro in subsidies, he farms cereal crops and has a beef herd, he also breeds racehorses and he is successfully making a living out of the land.
Farming can be profitable, we just have to get the farmers away from the sponging off the taxpayer mentality and get them working.
Fair play to lads like Sean O Brien, the Tullow tank, who is working hard at farming.
stanley8m: But that is the point buzzy, some farmers refuse to change, they reject new ideas, they refuse to diversify or make any sort of effort that requires hard work.
Peach buys eggs and veg off her local farmer, why can't you do the same, set aside a couple of acres for veg and sell the product in Carlow town or Tullow, Likewise you could buy a cement mixer for a couple of hundred euro, get gravel and cement off Dan Morrissey and build a couple of sheds for Turkeys and Chickens, sell them on at a profit and keep your Beef herd as your main earner.
The farmer I know, gets 20,000 euro in subsidies, he farms cereal crops and has a beef herd, he also breeds racehorses and he is successfully making a living out of the land.
Farming can be profitable, we just have to get the farmers away from the sponging off the taxpayer mentality and get them working.
Fair play to lads like Sean O Brien, the Tullow tank, who is working hard at farming.
Peach buys eggs and veg off her local farmer, why can't you do the same, set aside a couple of acres for veg and sell the product in Carlow town or Tullow, Likewise you could buy a cement mixer for a couple of hundred euro, get gravel and cement off Dan Morrissey and build a couple of sheds for Turkeys and Chickens, sell them on at a profit and keep your Beef herd as your main earner.
The farmer I know, gets 20,000 euro in subsidies, he farms cereal crops and has a beef herd, he also breeds racehorses and he is successfully making a living out of the land.
Farming can be profitable, we just have to get the farmers away from the sponging off the taxpayer mentality and get them working.
Fair play to lads like Sean O Brien, the Tullow tank, who is working hard at farming.
Are they changing?? They are changing, farming has came along way in the past 10 years in ireland.
farmers are trying to make life easier and safer for themselves, to Increase Productive is that wrong?
there is noting like fresh eggs and veg, its a nicer taste, i would agree with that.
Grown spuds is expensive, with the amount of spray is used,
Dot tell me they don't need spray, just let them grow in the ground. if you do come out with that, please look back in Irish History.
How much is a veg in the shops? aldi 60 cent a bag, need alot of costumers to make a weeks wages, what about export do the county not need it?
how much land does he have? over a 100 acres yes, if it is a 100 acres it about 9000 give or take a few hundred
Yes if you have a good bread of a horse and winning races,how much is a good race horse? big money, horses are making money at the moment, didn't for years
take the 20000 away from what he earns what has he got?
Haha how many bags of cement is in a concrete floor, 4 to 5 inch tick? 5 euro a bag, i could imagine filling concrete shutters putting in a tank haha. its workers out cheaper to buy a load of concrete, 600 euro a load which cover's a wider area that 120 bags
do you not watch the news? dan Morrissey has closed.
''sell them on at a profit'' thats all the farmer wants, im tired telling you this haha
so you think sean obrien made his monny form farming haha,he is a well paid ruby player.
My brother was one of them young farmers of the year so he knows how to farm.
only for he has a job he would be able to farm to the scale he is farming, thats just the fact of the matter
stanley8m: But that is the point buzzy, some farmers refuse to change, they reject new ideas, they refuse to diversify or make any sort of effort that requires hard work.
Peach buys eggs and veg off her local farmer, why can't you do the same, set aside a couple of acres for veg and sell the product in Carlow town or Tullow, Likewise you could buy a cement mixer for a couple of hundred euro, get gravel and cement off Dan Morrissey and build a couple of sheds for Turkeys and Chickens, sell them on at a profit and keep your Beef herd as your main earner.
The farmer I know, gets 20,000 euro in subsidies, he farms cereal crops and has a beef herd, he also breeds racehorses and he is successfully making a living out of the land.
Farming can be profitable, we just have to get the farmers away from the sponging off the taxpayer mentality and get them working.
Fair play to lads like Sean O Brien, the Tullow tank, who is working hard at farming.
Peach buys eggs and veg off her local farmer, why can't you do the same, set aside a couple of acres for veg and sell the product in Carlow town or Tullow, Likewise you could buy a cement mixer for a couple of hundred euro, get gravel and cement off Dan Morrissey and build a couple of sheds for Turkeys and Chickens, sell them on at a profit and keep your Beef herd as your main earner.
The farmer I know, gets 20,000 euro in subsidies, he farms cereal crops and has a beef herd, he also breeds racehorses and he is successfully making a living out of the land.
Farming can be profitable, we just have to get the farmers away from the sponging off the taxpayer mentality and get them working.
Fair play to lads like Sean O Brien, the Tullow tank, who is working hard at farming.
Are they changing?? They are changing, farming has came along way in the past 10 years in ireland.
farmers are trying to make life easier and safer for themselves, to Increase Productive is that wrong?
there is noting like fresh eggs and veg, its a nicer taste, i would agree with that.
Grown spuds is expensive, with the amount of spray is used,
Dot tell me they don't need spray, just let them grow in the ground. if you do come out with that, please look back in Irish History.
How much is a veg in the shops? aldi 60 cent a bag, need alot of costumers to make a weeks wages, what about export do the county not need it?
how much land does he have? over a 100 acres yes, if it is a 100 acres it about 9000 give or take a few hundred
Yes if you have a good bread of a horse and winning races,how much is a good race horse? big money, horses are making money at the moment, didn't for years
take the 20000 away from what he earns what has he got?
Haha how many bags of cement is in a concrete floor, 4 to 5 inch tick? 5 euro a bag, i could imagine filling concrete shutters putting in a tank haha. its workers out cheaper to buy a load of concrete, 600 euro a load which cover's a wider area that 120 bags
do you not watch the news? dan Morrissey has closed.
''sell them on at a profit'' thats all the farmer wants, im tired telling you this haha
so you think sean obrien made his monny form farming haha,he is a well paid ruby player.
My brother was one of them young farmers of the year so he knows how to farm.
only for he has a job he wouldnt be able to farm to the scale he is farming, thats just the fact of the matter
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