Farmers children three times more likely to go to college. (181)
stanley8m: I think you are missing the point here, farmers have a business, they have assets and still get dole. Wouldn't it be great if we could all work and claim the dole, get grants for any jobs we needed doing around the house and get practically VAT free diesel for driving around. What a wonderful world it would be living in Ireland the farmer utopia
Well I'm afraid it's a primary industry in Ireland, so if it stopped Ireland would be goosed, but they do run inefficiently and don't respect the environment, will all the sprays, antibiotics and slurry in the rivers in may cases. But in their defense they are also constrained by some stupid EU rules. Though, I often wonder where they get get the money for the monster tractors out now. I preferred the Ford 4000 days.
peachmelba: I think I would have made a good farmers wife,, I'd have the pigs and calfs in the house for the winter,,::laugh: .
They would never make it to the butchers,,
They would never make it to the butchers,,
Nice pic Peach, love the 1970's lampshade/Chinese rickshaw man, designer hat.
Orien3: Well I'm afraid it's a primary industry in Ireland, so if it stopped Ireland would be goosed, but they do run inefficiently and don't respect the environment, will all the sprays, antibiotics and slurry in the rivers in may cases. But in their defense they are also constrained by some stupid EU rules. Though, I often wonder where they get get the money for the monster tractors out now. I preferred the Ford 4000 days.
Far from being constrained by the EU, Irish farmers receive circa 4.5 Billion every year from EU taxpayers plus monumental subsidies from the hard working Irish taxpayer.
I know hard working taxpayers who cannot afford to send their kids to college, so why should we, the taxpayers, pay for farmers kids third level education?
stanley8m: Nice pic Peach, love the 1970's lampshade/Chinese rickshaw man, designer hat.
Haha yea I loved my hats and little bags like my nanna,,.....I had lots hats back then,,I was very fashionable,,,,.taken on Blackpool promenade ,,,they used to have loads deck chairs,,on the sand,,,have to walk about a mile to get to the sea on the beach back then,,haha,,,donkeys on the beach,,,smell of periwinkles and cocktails ,mixed with candy floss and fresh fish and ships,,,loads suuvineer shops with miniature Blackpool effel towers,,,
Yea it's changed so much too many amusement arcades ,,far too commercialised,but Blackpool brings back many many happy memories,,,time to put that it away now..
peachmelba: Haha yea I loved my hats and little bags like my nanna,,.....I had lots hats back then,,I was very fashionable,,,,.taken on Blackpool promenade ,,,they used to have loads deck chairs,,on the sand,,,have to walk about a mile to get to the sea on the beach back then,,haha,,,donkeys on the beach,,,smell of periwinkles and cocktails ,mixed with candy floss and fresh fish and ships,,,loads suuvineer shops with miniature Blackpool effel towers,,,
Yea it's changed so much too many amusement arcades ,,far too commercialised,but Blackpool brings back many many happy memories,,,time to put that it away now..
Yea it's changed so much too many amusement arcades ,,far too commercialised,but Blackpool brings back many many happy memories,,,time to put that it away now..
I want to go back again it was great back then,,
.time to go....
.She still not gone..
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.peachmelba: She still not gone.. .
She just showing off in the Chinese straw hat,,,..think she does karate too,
stanley8m: I think you are missing the point here, farmers have a business, they have assets and still get dole. Wouldn't it be great if we could all work and claim the dole, get grants for any jobs we needed doing around the house and get practically VAT free diesel for driving around. What a wonderful world it would be living in Ireland the farmer utopia
Vat free Diesel where are you getting that from?? yes if they are registered for vat, a lot are not.
if its such a great life why don't you quite you job and buy a farm, lots of farms are going up for sale, then and cattle and machinery.
buzzy111: Vat free Diesel where are you getting that from?? yes if they are registered for vat, a lot are not.
if its such a great life why don't you quite you job and buy a farm, lots of farms are going up for sale, then and cattle and machinery.
if its such a great life why don't you quite you job and buy a farm, lots of farms are going up for sale, then and cattle and machinery.
Sponging off the taxpayer isn't my thing. As I said before, why should we, the taxpayer subsidise Irish farmers? I have noticed that the posters defending farmers have not answered that question. So come on Buzzy, why?
stanley8m: Sponging off the taxpayer isn't my thing. As I said before, why should we, the taxpayer subsidise Irish farmers? I have noticed that the posters defending farmers have not answered that question. So come on Buzzy, why?
as i said before farmers do pay tax, yes they do get subsidize, which is wrong, but is not the farms fault. if didnt it like New Zealand, where a liter of milk is nearly 3 euro and meat is expensive, at least the farmers are getting the money for their product and are able to live
The Irish Government brings in a lot taxes from each stage of the farming processes each year, saying that they take money of the tax payer is wrong, they generate money from vat and and other taxes evolved in the industry.
Orien3: Well I'm afraid it's a primary industry in Ireland, so if it stopped Ireland would be goosed, but they do run inefficiently and don't respect the environment, will all the sprays, antibiotics and slurry in the rivers in may cases. But in their defense they are also constrained by some stupid EU rules. Though, I often wonder where they get get the money for the monster tractors out now. I preferred the Ford 4000 days.
In most cases they don't own the tractor, as they cant get loans now, they are least, and they work them hard doing contracting to have money every month to meet repayments.
take last year, farmers were not allowed to spreed slurry before Christmas which was very mild, then January came and it did noting only rain, what could farmers do only spread they couldn't hold out any longer, once again it wasn't the farmers fault.
buzzy111: In most cases they don't own the tractor, as they cant get loans now, they are least, and they work them hard doing contracting to have money every month to meet repayments.
take last year, farmers were not allowed to spreed slurry before Christmas which was very mild, then January came and it did noting only rain, what could farmers do only spread they couldn't hold out any longer, once again it wasn't the farmers fault.as i said before farmers do pay tax, yes they do get subsidize, which is wrong, but is not the farms fault. if didnt it like New Zealand, where a liter of milk is nearly 3 euro and meat is expensive, at least the farmers are getting the money for their product and are able to live
The Irish Government brings in a lot taxes from each stage of the farming processes each year, saying that they take money of the tax payer is wrong, they generate money from vat and and other taxes evolved in the industry.
take last year, farmers were not allowed to spreed slurry before Christmas which was very mild, then January came and it did noting only rain, what could farmers do only spread they couldn't hold out any longer, once again it wasn't the farmers fault.as i said before farmers do pay tax, yes they do get subsidize, which is wrong, but is not the farms fault. if didnt it like New Zealand, where a liter of milk is nearly 3 euro and meat is expensive, at least the farmers are getting the money for their product and are able to live
The Irish Government brings in a lot taxes from each stage of the farming processes each year, saying that they take money of the tax payer is wrong, they generate money from vat and and other taxes evolved in the industry.
Thanks for that Buzzy, and I am glad you agree that it is wrong for honest hardworking taxpayers to have to subsidize farmers.
The rest is just the usual farmer guff telling us how hard the life of a farmer is and how the prices, the weather, the cost of tractors aren't fair on the poor old farmers.
Well guess what, life isn't fair and we all have problems to overcome, however, we don't look for the hard working taxpayers to subsidise our lifestyle. As I have said before, if a farmer cannot make his business work, get out and get a job and stop sponging off society.
The young farmer had been at the cattle mart and was not too clean nor did he smell too well when he hopped into the jeweller's shop to purchase a signet ring.
The assistant could not help her automatic stepping back from the smell and, indeed, the young man could not avoid noticing her action but he still asked the young lady to let him see some signet rings.
'Eighteen carats?' asked the assistant.
'No, atin' onions,' answered the young farmer.
..................
The assistant could not help her automatic stepping back from the smell and, indeed, the young man could not avoid noticing her action but he still asked the young lady to let him see some signet rings.
'Eighteen carats?' asked the assistant.
'No, atin' onions,' answered the young farmer.
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stanley8m: Sponging off the taxpayer isn't my thing. As I said before, why should we, the taxpayer subsidise Irish farmers? I have noticed that the posters defending farmers have not answered that question. So come on Buzzy, why?
We subsidise Travellers, as least the farmer produces food, they contribute nothing.
GalwayGuy35: Travellers are among the wealthiest people in the country, sure whuy wouldn't they be seeing as they pay no tax.
Hold on a minute, you are seriously trying to blame travellers for the established fact that Irish farmers scrounge and sponge money off the hard working taxpayer?:
Shure why not blame the immigrants and asylum seekers too.
stanley8m: Hold on a minute, you are seriously trying to blame travellers for the established fact that Irish farmers scrounge and sponge money off the hard working taxpayer?:
Shure why not blame the immigrants and asylum seekers too.
Shure why not blame the immigrants and asylum seekers too.
Farmers are providing a service, it's a difficult life, very labour intensive and long hours, can't think of any service Travellers provide for the money they get.
Try it for a day and see how you get on.
Come over to Boards.ie, there is a good farming thread on there, you might learn something.
Or maybe go down to the nearest mart and accuse the farmers there of being scroungers, debate the issue with them in person instead of on a dating site.
GalwayGuy35: Farmers are providing a service, it's a difficult life, very labour intensive and long hours, can't think of any service Travellers provide for the money they get.
Try it for a day and see how you get on.
Come over to Boards.ie, there is a good farming thread on there, you might learn something.
Or maybe go down to the nearest mart and accuse the farmers there of being scroungers, debate the issue with them in person instead of on a dating site.
Try it for a day and see how you get on.
Come over to Boards.ie, there is a good farming thread on there, you might learn something.
Or maybe go down to the nearest mart and accuse the farmers there of being scroungers, debate the issue with them in person instead of on a dating site.
If they are providing a service they are in business, you tell me that Irish farmers are hard working, ssooooo why are honest hard working taxpayers having to subsidise them?
stanley8m: Thanks for that Buzzy, and I am glad you agree that it is wrong for honest hardworking taxpayers to have to subsidize farmers.
The rest is just the usual farmer guff telling us how hard the life of a farmer is and how the prices, the weather, the cost of tractors aren't fair on the poor old farmers.
Well guess what, life isn't fair and we all have problems to overcome, however, we don't look for the hard working taxpayers to subsidise our lifestyle. As I have said before, if a farmer cannot make his business work, get out and get a job and stop sponging off society.
The rest is just the usual farmer guff telling us how hard the life of a farmer is and how the prices, the weather, the cost of tractors aren't fair on the poor old farmers.
Well guess what, life isn't fair and we all have problems to overcome, however, we don't look for the hard working taxpayers to subsidise our lifestyle. As I have said before, if a farmer cannot make his business work, get out and get a job and stop sponging off society.
Thats the problem farming in ireland does not pay, doesn't matter how much land you have you still wont make it pay, Farmers are not sponging off society, and a lot do hold down full/part time jobs, when they come home from work they go and farm at night,feeding cattle and looking after them, it would be 10 or 11 o'clock before they finish, they work on the farm Saturday and Sundays, is that not working hard?
Say if every farmer left the farm and went working somewhere else and put the farm up for sale.
Now the government has cut the Grants and supplements, , its still costing more to produce the product than what they will get when they sell,who would buy and run the farms then?
Farmers do pay tax on the income they have, as any business does.
buzzy111: Thats the problem farming in ireland does not pay, doesn't matter how much land you have you still wont make it pay, Farmers are not sponging off society, and a lot do hold down full/part time jobs, when they come home from work they go and farm at night,feeding cattle and looking after them, it would be 10 or 11 o'clock before they finish, they work on the farm Saturday and Sundays, is that not working hard?
Say if every farmer left the farm and went working somewhere else and put the farm up for sale.
Now the government has cut the Grants and supplements, , its still costing more to produce the product than what they will get when they sell,who would buy and run the farms then?
Farmers do pay tax on the income they have, as any business does.
Say if every farmer left the farm and went working somewhere else and put the farm up for sale.
Now the government has cut the Grants and supplements, , its still costing more to produce the product than what they will get when they sell,who would buy and run the farms then?
Farmers do pay tax on the income they have, as any business does.
I disagree that Irish farming can not be profitable, in my opinion we have tooo many people trying to work large gardens and calling them farms. If the subsidies were withdrawn, the initial outcome would be increased prices followed by consumer refusal and a flood of imports.
However, eventually the market would dictate a crash in land prices allowing accumulation of large farms which could return substantial profits.
Enough small farms would remain and if they evolved and diversified they too could be successful in a French market, providing specialist products for the consumer manner.
The entire culture of subsidies and grants is holding back the development and true potential of Irish agriculture.
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I think you are missing the point here, farmers have a business, they have assets and still get dole. Wouldn't it be great if we could all work and claim the dole, get grants for any jobs we needed doing around the house and get practically VAT free diesel for driving around. What a wonderful world it would be living in Ireland the farmer utopia