Europe , how it's changed ( Archived) (27)

Sep 28, 2015 2:38 PM CST Europe , how it's changed
(Although, I'm staying in France, specifically in Paris, I do feel the pervasive deterioration of the place.)

Things change. Sometimes good and sometimes bad. We get elated when it's good but when it's bad we feel dissatisfied and disappointed. 

This is how I feel about Paris. It used to be different. Very clean and relatively safe. Now I strolled downtown, ate and shopped in the same place five years ago and I feel so much different. I can feel the deterioration and lack of safety which was prevalent in the old days. 

My friend who lives here for the last 30 years feels the same way. Like everyone they share the sentiments of being diluted, polluted which eventually leads to the biggest fear every European feels in the current political and social cultural events sweeping the whole union, the influx of migrants from Africa and middle east.

Change is constant, nothing is permanent. I only hope that this volatile climate doesn't lead to the complete disappearance of the old, distinct and unique European culture as we once knew.

Anyways, I am here to enjoy myself and simply observe how it is. I will try to come every year and feel for myself the events that shape a country I used to love before it's completely lost.
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Sep 28, 2015 3:03 PM CST Europe , how it's changed
lindsyjones: (Although, I'm staying in France, specifically in Paris, I do feel the pervasive deterioration of the place.)

Things change. Sometimes good and sometimes bad. We get elated when it's good but when it's bad we feel dissatisfied and disappointed. 

This is how I feel about Paris. It used to be different. Very clean and relatively safe. Now I strolled downtown, ate and shopped in the same place five years ago and I feel so much different. I can feel the deterioration and lack of safety which was prevalent in the old days. 

My friend who lives here for the last 30 years feels the same way. Like everyone they share the sentiments of being diluted, polluted which eventually leads to the biggest fear every European feels in the current political and social cultural events sweeping the whole union, the influx of migrants from Africa and middle east.

Change is constant, nothing is permanent. I only hope that this volatile climate doesn't lead to the complete disappearance of the old, distinct and unique European culture as we once knew.

Anyways, I am here to enjoy myself and simply observe how it is. I will try to come every year and feel for myself the events that shape a country I used to love before it's completely lost.


"I have tried to lift France out of the mud. But she will return to her errors and vomitings. I cannot prevent the French from being French." - Charles DeGaulle
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Sep 28, 2015 3:11 PM CST Europe , how it's changed
MADDOG69: "I have tried to lift France out of the mud. But she will return to her errors and vomitings. I cannot prevent the French from being French." - Charles DeGaulle


Nice to see you mad.
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Sep 28, 2015 3:58 PM CST Europe , how it's changed
allthegoodnamest
allthegoodnamestallthegoodnamestLondon, Essex, England UK40 Threads 4,697 Posts
lindsyjones: (Although, I'm staying in France, specifically in Paris, I do feel the pervasive deterioration of the place.)

Things change. Sometimes good and sometimes bad. We get elated when it's good but when it's bad we feel dissatisfied and disappointed. 

This is how I feel about Paris. It used to be different. Very clean and relatively safe. Now I strolled downtown, ate and shopped in the same place five years ago and I feel so much different. I can feel the deterioration and lack of safety which was prevalent in the old days. 

My friend who lives here for the last 30 years feels the same way. Like everyone they share the sentiments of being diluted, polluted which eventually leads to the biggest fear every European feels in the current political and social cultural events sweeping the whole union, the influx of migrants from Africa and middle east.

Change is constant, nothing is permanent. I only hope that this volatile climate doesn't lead to the complete disappearance of the old, distinct and unique European culture as we once knew.

Anyways, I am here to enjoy myself and simply observe how it is. I will try to come every year and feel for myself the events that shape a country I used to love before it's completely lost.


Without going into too much detail & I can only speak for my own country, I can say that England has lost it's identity .
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Sep 28, 2015 4:09 PM CST Europe , how it's changed
This anti immigrant agenda is getting boring and tedious.
I wish for you a life where you don't live in fear.
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Sep 28, 2015 4:14 PM CST Europe , how it's changed
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
allthegoodnamest: Without going into too much detail & I can only speak for my own country, I can say that England has lost it's identity .


At last he speaks the truth.
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Sep 28, 2015 4:14 PM CST Europe , how it's changed
rebel2
rebel2rebel2Alicante, Valencia Spain8 Threads 6,354 Posts
Aragorn11: This anti immigrant agenda is getting boring and tedious.
I wish for you a life where you don't live in fear.
thumbs up Just what we need on a dating site cheers laugh
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Sep 28, 2015 4:16 PM CST Europe , how it's changed
rebel2: Just what we need on a dating site


wave
How are you doing mate, long time on see.

Vinny
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Sep 28, 2015 4:20 PM CST Europe , how it's changed
rebel2
rebel2rebel2Alicante, Valencia Spain8 Threads 6,354 Posts
Aragorn11: How are you doing mate, long time on see.

Vinny
Hello Vinny. Good to see you again. I do not come on here often and the comment you made on your post about sums up why! laugh
Have a beer cheers
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Sep 28, 2015 4:27 PM CST Europe , how it's changed
rebel2: Hello Vinny. Good to see you again. I do not come on here often and the comment you made on your post about sums up why!
Have a beer


Would love to have a beer with you mate.
Next time i'm in Alicante cheers

Only back a cpl weeks after a 3 year break but the agendas are still easy to spot.

Whats the craic ?
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Sep 28, 2015 4:32 PM CST Europe , how it's changed
tomcatwarne
tomcatwarnetomcatwarneOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK289 Threads 7 Polls 17,106 Posts
Oh get a room you two
Aragorn11: Would love to have a beer with you mate.
Next time i'm in Alicante

Only back a cpl weeks after a 3 year break but the agendas are still easy to spot.

Whats the craic ?
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Sep 28, 2015 4:34 PM CST Europe , how it's changed
tomcatwarne: Oh get a room you two


comfort
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Sep 28, 2015 4:54 PM CST Europe , how it's changed
rebel2
rebel2rebel2Alicante, Valencia Spain8 Threads 6,354 Posts
Aragorn11: Would love to have a beer with you mate.
Next time i'm in Alicante

Only back a cpl weeks after a 3 year break but the agendas are still easy to spot.

Whats the craic ?
I have not been on here very much over the last 2 years either. Just started popping on here every now and then myself.
That's a deal, if you are ever in Alicante, the beer is on me. cheers
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Sep 28, 2015 4:59 PM CST Europe , how it's changed
allthegoodnamest: Without going into too much detail & I can only speak for my own country, I can say that England has lost it's identity .


It's sad All, I can tell that it's going to get worse.
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Sep 28, 2015 5:02 PM CST Europe , how it's changed
Aragorn11: This anti immigrant agenda is getting boring and tedious.
I wish for you a life where you don't live in fear.


Who told you I live in fear? Just because I write an express my observation means I'm in fear. The unsafe issue, it's more of a call for more awareness that you don't become a victim.
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Sep 28, 2015 5:04 PM CST Europe , how it's changed
lindsyjones: Who told you I live in fear? Just because I write an express my observation means I'm in fear. The unsafe issue, it's more of a call for more awareness that you don't become a victim.


FYI, the whole world is talking about it. Almost all the media dominate dominate this concerns, if you're bored, don't participate, but what would you suggest that would excite you?
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Sep 28, 2015 5:06 PM CST Europe , how it's changed
tomcatwarne: At last he speaks the truth.


How is your vacation Tom? wave
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Sep 28, 2015 5:09 PM CST Europe , how it's changed
rebel2: Just what we need on a dating site


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Sep 28, 2015 5:30 PM CST Europe , how it's changed
rizlaredonline today!
rizlaredonline today!rizlaredNot in Cebu City, Central Visayas Philippines89 Threads 2 Polls 5,588 Posts
lindsyjones: (Although, I'm staying in France, specifically in Paris, I do feel the pervasive deterioration of the place.)

Things change. Sometimes good and sometimes bad. We get elated when it's good but when it's bad we feel dissatisfied and disappointed. 

This is how I feel about Paris. It used to be different. Very clean and relatively safe. Now I strolled downtown, ate and shopped in the same place five years ago and I feel so much different. I can feel the deterioration and lack of safety which was prevalent in the old days. 

My friend who lives here for the last 30 years feels the same way. Like everyone they share the sentiments of being diluted, polluted which eventually leads to the biggest fear every European feels in the current political and social cultural events sweeping the whole union, the influx of migrants from Africa and middle east.

Change is constant, nothing is permanent. I only hope that this volatile climate doesn't lead to the complete disappearance of the old, distinct and unique European culture as we once knew.

Anyways, I am here to enjoy myself and simply observe how it is. I will try to come every year and feel for myself the events that shape a country I used to love before it's completely lost.


In my experience, Paris has always been like that, it has never been a friendly place, nothing to do with immigrants, it's all to do with the arrogant and superior attitude of the population there.
Travel to any other city in France and they will tell you the same, most French people dislike Paris and hate Parisians.
Perhaps you are now seeing Paris without the rose colored glasses you wore last time?
If you want to experience the real hospitality of France go South of Paris, there you will see, eat, drink and experience the true wonder that makes France and the French people unique.
It is such a shame that Paris has this false name of being the most romantic city, when there are so many far far more beautiful and/romantic cities in Europe, Barcelona, Sienna, Bern, Dublin just to name a few, with the amazing eastern European countries now opening up, you can see real history, surrounded with some of the world's most beautiful scenery.
Get out of Paris and see real Europe.
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Sep 28, 2015 5:41 PM CST Europe , how it's changed
rizlared: In my experience, Paris has always been like that, it has never been a friendly place, nothing to do with immigrants, it's all to do with the arrogant and superior attitude of the population there.
Travel to any other city in France and they will tell you the same, most French people dislike Paris and hate Parisians.
Perhaps you are now seeing Paris without the rose colored glasses you wore last time?
If you want to experience the real hospitality of France go South of Paris, there you will see, eat, drink and experience the true wonder that makes France and the French people unique.
It is such a shame that Paris has this false name of being the most romantic city, when there are so many far far more beautiful and/romantic cities in Europe, Barcelona, Sienna, Bern, Dublin just to name a few, with the amazing eastern European countries now opening up, you can see real history, surrounded with some of the world's most beautiful scenery.
Get out of Paris and see real Europe.


You're right Rizal, I'm revisiting this place as it us. I studied in England, years ago and it is also a very different place right now. Crowded. Italy, Venice, it seems quite unchanged. I can go to Dublin in my next trip.

In reality, my country has everything that Europe has except the preservation of the old towns. One that I like most in Europe. Otherwise, Hawaii, San Francisco, new York and ten thousands of Lake in Minnesota can't be beaten.

Either way, I know, like I said we can't stop change. It happens and we just have to accept it.
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