Do you ever allowed risk loosing some beliefs? (67)
"I would rather have strong enemies than a world of passive individualists. In a world of passive individualists nothing seems worth anything simply because nobody stands for anything. That world has no convictions, no victories, no unions, no heroism, no absolutes, no heartbeat. That world has rigor mortis.”
? Criss Jami,
? Criss Jami,
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Dragos1: Hi "123", I know what it is like to have pieces and fragmented sentences when in my mind there is a complete and even lovely thought or idea that I want to share and how frustrating it can be when I realize others or "some" others do not quite comprehend. I know that when I was very young and I had a girlfriend that was later to become my wife that over many many years it was quite disturbing in that I believed we understood each other yet that was not the case. Maybe it was not so innocent but at the same time I can say with that many years it is something you try to avoid and when possible to clarify. I wish I could have sent you the correspondence in the mail but I am blocked and can only reply if you sent me a letter or a flower first. I can tell you have many ideas and if I did not feel that you had "substance" within your ideas conveyed in your posts I would not have delved in deeper to understand. Hope you are not offended and are enjoying the whole process.
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I am not offended at all.
Thank you for sharing your personal experience where your understanding comes from and I am glad you found enough substance that intrigued your curiosity...loll. "Substance = essence
Essence + existence = being
I don't know what had happened in your marriage and it's probably wrong to presume anything but from what you said so fare ...I am under impression, she wasn't honest and straight forward but maybe with hidden agendas...
In genuine relation of two way street love and respect, almost anything can be overcome.
I found nice quote for you;
“We have to allow ourselves to be loved by the people who really love us, the people who really matter. Too much of the time, we are blinded by our own pursuits of people to love us, people that don't even matter, while all that time we waste and the people who do love us have to stand on the side walk and watch us beg in the streets! It's time to put an end to this. It's time for us to let ourselves be loved.”
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123whisper: I am not offended at all.Thank you for sharing your personal experience where your understanding comes from and I am glad you found enough substance that intrigued your curiosity...loll.
"Substance = essence
Essence + existence = being
I don't know what had happened in your marriage and it's probably wrong to presume anything but from what you said so fare ...I am under impression, she wasn't honest and straight forward but maybe with hidden agendas...
In genuine relation of two way street love and respect, almost anything can be overcome.
I found nice quote for you;
“We have to allow ourselves to be loved by the people who really love us, the people who really matter. Too much of the time, we are blinded by our own pursuits of people to love us, people that don't even matter, while all that time we waste and the people who do love us have to stand on the side walk and watch us beg in the streets! It's time to put an end to this. It's time for us to let ourselves be loved.”
"Substance = essence
Essence + existence = being
I don't know what had happened in your marriage and it's probably wrong to presume anything but from what you said so fare ...I am under impression, she wasn't honest and straight forward but maybe with hidden agendas...
In genuine relation of two way street love and respect, almost anything can be overcome.
I found nice quote for you;
“We have to allow ourselves to be loved by the people who really love us, the people who really matter. Too much of the time, we are blinded by our own pursuits of people to love us, people that don't even matter, while all that time we waste and the people who do love us have to stand on the side walk and watch us beg in the streets! It's time to put an end to this. It's time for us to let ourselves be loved.”
I must thank you for reading that one. People usually think nothing of it. In fact it has been there for over a year of longer and no one has ever made reference to it. But unless someone allows themselves to be loved then I have found that the relationship can become very one sided and suddenly fall apart with very little understanding of why...of course there are always other things that are important but that one thing makes such a difference when we meet that person we finally decide to let into our life. If we allow them in but refuse the love that they offer and that is probably a long time overdue in our lives then it is not so good.
You are indeed quite clever. And I am glad we have met also.
Dragos
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Dragos1: I must thank you for reading that one. People usually think nothing of it. In fact it has been there for over a year of longer and no one has ever made reference to it. But unless someone allows themselves to be loved then I have found that the relationship can become very one sided and suddenly fall apart with very little understanding of why...of course there are always other things that are important but that one thing makes such a difference when we meet that person we finally decide to let into our life. If we allow them in but refuse the love that they offer and that is probably a long time overdue in our lives then it is not so good.
You are indeed quite clever. And I am glad we have met also.
Dragos;-}
You are indeed quite clever. And I am glad we have met also.
Dragos;-}
We all have chosen at least at one time in our lives to give away our love,to have hope,to be naïve,to ignore our intuition, to ignore advice against our better judgments, to look the other way, chose our perceptiveness,
chose to be right in what we chose and we chose our consequences too, as well eventually we choose to let go of what we choose and than again we choose dignity, choose to forgive ourselves, choose to forgive other, choose to see our value, choose to show the world we're not a victim of our own past choice that didn't work out as we hoped for...
Betrayal and the withholding of affection damage the roots from which love grows and hopefully you wouldn't chose the same thing again, knowing the strongest love is the love that can demonstrate its fragility, when two people honour the spiritual connection that grows from that offering with trust, respect, kindness and affection.
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Dragos1: I must thank you for reading that one. People usually think nothing of it. In fact it has been there for over a year of longer and no one has ever made reference to it.
Dragos;-}
Dragos;-}
Each of us has unique story to share and what goes unnoticed to one, doesn't go unnoticed to other...that might seeing spiritual light that shines so bright that it's hard to not notice ... 
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123whisper: At some point of our life we're all probably experienced to loose a good friend or even a lover because of differences in opinion. Life offers a cruel choice:you can be right or happy and it's especially true if there is an emotional vampire involved.
Have any of you wish you reacted differently at the time when you could choose happiness rather than rightness?
Have any of you wish you reacted differently at the time when you could choose happiness rather than rightness?
I have never lost a good friend through a difference of opinion.It always cemented many a good flow of debate.
Life is life.... it offers you nothing more than breath.
Unhappy... happy will always be an emotional path one is on.
It can be so much straining when there is another involved that wants control.
That melds a choice.
Happiness rules
Because that should only come from within YOU.
Never be afraid of what you feel.
I'm off again
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I think the main affliction most of us suffer from to one extent or another that gives rise to cause of our distress, or if you like mental sufferings arise from the affliction of like and dislike.
As bodleing2 points out just having a belief is not the truth, end all or b-all.
By just being the observer (which i some times manage hehe) by observing without judging good or bad, like or dislike we can gain much greater insight into what actually is. What others are actually engaged in, or saying becomes very very interesting.
I believe we all have a dualistic mind and without understanding its nature (the mind) finding an ultimate truth or the only other possible ultimate possibility would be impossible.
As bodleing2 points out just having a belief is not the truth, end all or b-all.
By just being the observer (which i some times manage hehe) by observing without judging good or bad, like or dislike we can gain much greater insight into what actually is. What others are actually engaged in, or saying becomes very very interesting.
I believe we all have a dualistic mind and without understanding its nature (the mind) finding an ultimate truth or the only other possible ultimate possibility would be impossible.
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robplum: I think the main affliction most of us suffer from to one extent or another that gives rise to cause of our distress, or if you like mental sufferings arise from the affliction of like and dislike.
As bodleing2 points out just having a belief is not the truth, end all or b-all.
By just being the observer (which i some times manage hehe) by observing without judging good or bad, like or dislike we can gain much greater insight into what actually is. What others are actually engaged in, or saying becomes very very interesting.
I believe we all have a dualistic mind and without understanding its nature (the mind) finding an ultimate truth or the only other possible ultimate possibility would be impossible.
As bodleing2 points out just having a belief is not the truth, end all or b-all.
By just being the observer (which i some times manage hehe) by observing without judging good or bad, like or dislike we can gain much greater insight into what actually is. What others are actually engaged in, or saying becomes very very interesting.
I believe we all have a dualistic mind and without understanding its nature (the mind) finding an ultimate truth or the only other possible ultimate possibility would be impossible.
I like your thoughts... it is interesting to observe but it's also nice to enlighten with another angle of view... and what one needs to do is to discover just how the mind continually limits itself in a condition of dualism.All our concepts and beliefs, no matter how profound they may seem, are like nets which trap us in dualism.
It is vital that we turn each and every dark tear into a pearl of wisdom, and find the blessing in every curse...so we can survive to live for another day ...
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At times we observe, then share our thoughts, that is a giving of a who we are.
Nice people
Nice people
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I have never lost a good friend through a difference of opinion.It always cemented many a good flow of debate.
Life is life.... it offers you nothing more than breath.
Unhappy... happy will always be an emotional path one is on.
It can be so much straining when there is another involved that wants control.
That melds a choice.
Happiness rules
Because that should only come from within YOU.
Never be afraid of what you feel.
Each person holds so much power within themselves that needs to be let out. Sometimes they just need a little nudge, a little direction, a little support, a little coaching, and the greatest things can happen. (Pete Carroll)
Life is life.... it offers you nothing more than breath.
Unhappy... happy will always be an emotional path one is on.
It can be so much straining when there is another involved that wants control.
That melds a choice.
Happiness rules
Because that should only come from within YOU.
Never be afraid of what you feel.
Each person holds so much power within themselves that needs to be let out. Sometimes they just need a little nudge, a little direction, a little support, a little coaching, and the greatest things can happen. (Pete Carroll)
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123whisper: We all have chosen at least at one time in our lives to give away our love,to have hope,to be naïve,to ignore our intuition, to ignore advice against our better judgments,
to look the other way, chose our perceptiveness,
chose to be right in what we chose and we chose our consequences too, as well eventually we choose to let go of what we choose and than again we choose dignity, choose to forgive ourselves, choose to forgive other, choose to see our value, choose to show the world we're not a victim of our own past choice that didn't work out as we hoped for...
Betrayal and the withholding of affection damage the roots from which love grows and hopefully you wouldn't chose the same thing again, knowing the strongest love is the love that can demonstrate its fragility, when two people honour the spiritual connection that grows from that offering with trust, respect, kindness and affection.
to look the other way, chose our perceptiveness,
chose to be right in what we chose and we chose our consequences too, as well eventually we choose to let go of what we choose and than again we choose dignity, choose to forgive ourselves, choose to forgive other, choose to see our value, choose to show the world we're not a victim of our own past choice that didn't work out as we hoped for...
Betrayal and the withholding of affection damage the roots from which love grows and hopefully you wouldn't chose the same thing again, knowing the strongest love is the love that can demonstrate its fragility, when two people honour the spiritual connection that grows from that offering with trust, respect, kindness and affection.
And maybe as simple as "Love is reflected in Love". I always liked that one.
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Then never be afraid of what you feel.
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Dragos1: And maybe as simple as "Love is reflected in Love". I always liked that one.
I believe,everyone and everything that's crossing our life path in any way with us is a reflection of what's happening inside of us...and when we can really listen with understanding,than reflect without Preaching how one should feel...but let other to express things freely ...that's like giving two way steet gift of emotional oxygen... ------ This thread is Archived ------
sophiasummer: Then never be afraid of what you feel.
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123whisper: I believe,everyone and everything that's crossing our life path in any way with us is a reflection of what's happening inside of us...and when we can really listen with understanding,than reflect without Preaching how one should feel...but let other to express things freely ...that's like giving two way steet gift of emotional oxygen...
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123whisper: I like your thoughts... it is interesting to observe but it's also nice to enlighten with another angle of view... and what one needs to do is to discover just how the mind continually limits itself in a condition of dualism.
All our concepts and beliefs, no matter how profound they may seem, are like nets which trap us in dualism.
It is vital that we turn each and every dark tear into a pearl of wisdom, and find the blessing in every curse...so we can survive to live for another day ...
All our concepts and beliefs, no matter how profound they may seem, are like nets which trap us in dualism.
It is vital that we turn each and every dark tear into a pearl of wisdom, and find the blessing in every curse...so we can survive to live for another day ...
was trying to explain
"by observing without judging good or bad, like or dislike we can gain much greater insight into what actually is."
By being unattached (arms length from the tickitape like flow of our thoughts) in simply observing (being unattached) to the constant rise and passing of the endless flow of thoughts, we are able to gain deeper insight a much better understand of our dream like delusions that basically have as much reality of our dreams.
The purpose of meditation is not to reach nirvana and then disappear. If that was the case, it would better that you manifested as a flower!
Lama Yeshe...
Look into your mind. If you fervently believe that all your enjoyment comes from the material objects and dedicate your entire life to their pursuit, you’re under the control of a serious misconception. This attitude is not simply an intellectual thing. When you first hear this, you might think, “Oh, I don’t have that kind of mind; I don’t have complete faith that external objects will bring me happiness.” But check more deeply in the mirror of your mind. You will find that beyond the intellect, such an attitude is indeed there and that your everyday actions show that deep within, you really do believe this misconception. Take a moment now to check within yourself to see whether or not you really are under the influence of such an inferior mind.
A mind that has such strong faith in the material world is narrow, limited; it has no space. Its nature is sick, unhealthy, or, in Buddhist terminology, dualistic.
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robplum: was trying to explain
"by observing without judging good or bad, like or dislike we can gain much greater insight into what actually is."
By being unattached (arms length from the tickitape like flow of our thoughts) in simply observing (being unattached) to the constant rise and passing of the endless flow of thoughts, we are able to gain deeper insight a much better understand of our dream like delusions that basically have as much reality of our dreams.
The purpose of meditation is not to reach nirvana and then disappear. If that was the case, it would better that you manifested as a flower!
Lama Yeshe...
Look into your mind. If you fervently believe that all your enjoyment comes from the material objects and dedicate your entire life to their pursuit, you’re under the control of a serious misconception. This attitude is not simply an intellectual thing. When you first hear this, you might think, “Oh, I don’t have that kind of mind; I don’t have complete faith that external objects will bring me happiness.” But check more deeply in the mirror of your mind. You will find that beyond the intellect, such an attitude is indeed there and that your everyday actions show that deep within, you really do believe this misconception. Take a moment now to check within yourself to see whether or not you really are under the influence of such an inferior mind.
A mind that has such strong faith in the material world is narrow, limited; it has no space. Its nature is sick, unhealthy, or, in Buddhist terminology, dualistic.
"by observing without judging good or bad, like or dislike we can gain much greater insight into what actually is."
By being unattached (arms length from the tickitape like flow of our thoughts) in simply observing (being unattached) to the constant rise and passing of the endless flow of thoughts, we are able to gain deeper insight a much better understand of our dream like delusions that basically have as much reality of our dreams.
The purpose of meditation is not to reach nirvana and then disappear. If that was the case, it would better that you manifested as a flower!
Lama Yeshe...
Look into your mind. If you fervently believe that all your enjoyment comes from the material objects and dedicate your entire life to their pursuit, you’re under the control of a serious misconception. This attitude is not simply an intellectual thing. When you first hear this, you might think, “Oh, I don’t have that kind of mind; I don’t have complete faith that external objects will bring me happiness.” But check more deeply in the mirror of your mind. You will find that beyond the intellect, such an attitude is indeed there and that your everyday actions show that deep within, you really do believe this misconception. Take a moment now to check within yourself to see whether or not you really are under the influence of such an inferior mind.
A mind that has such strong faith in the material world is narrow, limited; it has no space. Its nature is sick, unhealthy, or, in Buddhist terminology, dualistic.
I have always been inspired with Buddhist philosophy.Thank you so much for sharing all this with us...We're all students in this life,and there is always something more to learn... I have no faith in materialistic world but I be hypocrite to deny that I am not enjoying some materialistic comfort that makes life easier like having washing machine etc.and it be difficult for me if someone say now ' go and live under tent like native Aboriginals or like native Indian American's '
I love nature and my dream is to go away from big city and live somewhere simple life near ocean and to be awaken with sounds of birds but I must admit I am freaking out when I see spiders,snakes,sharks,lucky Victoria doesn't have crocodiles Anyway,there's much to learn from native people that white European wrongly though how native need to be completely transformed to our 'Western civilisation' that's good in distraction of nature,instead of learning how to be one with nature.How long it took us to realised that old beliefs where wrong...------ This thread is Archived ------
its a hobby that kind of balances where I've parked my mind over many years in the main following international affairs
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123whisper: I don't see 'being complex person' as insult but possibly true, considering that some times I might feel clashes of identity,considering similar but still different cultures in me...but that differences at the same time enriching me to see more,believing that some things have more than just one good answer...
On social site like CS it can be challenging to brake down the walls of pride by accepting vulnerability as a stringth,not a weakness because when we walk through our vulnerability openly it's risky if we're going to meet humility on the way to courage or if we're going to meet sharks that will rip us to peaces . Thank you for participation.Glad you keep an open mind.
On social site like CS it can be challenging to brake down the walls of pride by accepting vulnerability as a stringth,not a weakness because when we walk through our vulnerability openly it's risky if we're going to meet humility on the way to courage or if we're going to meet sharks that will rip us to peaces . Thank you for participation.Glad you keep an open mind.
Sometimes you have to take risks in life.. Without risks then nothing is achievable, whether it be a romantic one or a career move.. Not all have been successful but at least I can say I've tried rather than regretting the "what could have beens".
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Belief is not the truth.
...“belief is the death of intelligence.”
? Robert Anton Wilson,
It's a fact—everyone is ignorant in some way or another and those of us who are most ignorant are also the ones who often don't know it or don't want to admit it.
I have accepted to believe that I'm a creature of emotion as well as of reason and like to believe in some things and every once in a while ,I scrub my old beliefs off so that the light can come in, because there's hardly any complete truth that can't be questioned.
Perhaps, humans needs to have some beliefs or faith, like child needs cradle or dummy...maybe we all need a little fantasies to make life bearable and motivation to live for some idea of our beliefs ...Fait gives human ignition to spread our wings to flight...because the moment we doubt whether we can fly and the reason why we're doing it, we cease for ever to be able to do it...so maybe we have to keep faith in something, otherwise it will never happen...
Sadly, just because we believe in something it doesn't necessarily prove that's true !
I believe it's a narrow mind which cannot look at a subject from various points of view and it's weakness' to deny any sense that one might make with different perceptions just because one might not like the other person view but if we're truly want to keep an open mind it's necessarily to overcome our pride and go beyond what is comfortable.