Do you ever allowed risk loosing some beliefs? (67)
123whisper: On almost every tread someone (including myself) has commented that there are times when other people are wrong .Presumably wrong when the person see things differently because is misinformed or person might be from diferent cultural background perceptions and opposed to holding a varied but diferent opinions.
Many of us wrap around our identities around our beliefs and understanding. It can be scary to consider other person different points of views,because it challenges loosing the beliefs that help us make sense of the world where one feel safe and right, just as style of cloths we're use to wearing and it challenges us if someone expect us to completely change that style in something we're not acastum to...
Does it cross your mind that sticking to our stubborn beliefs we limiting ourselves for new experiences of self and others,maybe even loosing chance to become close to someone we like ?
Perhaps were all like 'the blind men and an elephant' that's Indian story of a group of six blind brothers who where washing an elephant and while blindly touching an elephant each one feels a different part,but only one part,such as the side or the tusk,which made them in complete disagreement because each one seing a part of the whole truth.
In loving other people it should be part of us wanting to understand instead of wanting to tell them they're wrong. I am also experiencing conflict in this genuine idea;how do we honour
what we believe and at the same time giving the same freedom to others -not to feel threatened to see things differently?
Any thought ?
Many of us wrap around our identities around our beliefs and understanding. It can be scary to consider other person different points of views,because it challenges loosing the beliefs that help us make sense of the world where one feel safe and right, just as style of cloths we're use to wearing and it challenges us if someone expect us to completely change that style in something we're not acastum to...
Does it cross your mind that sticking to our stubborn beliefs we limiting ourselves for new experiences of self and others,maybe even loosing chance to become close to someone we like ?
Perhaps were all like 'the blind men and an elephant' that's Indian story of a group of six blind brothers who where washing an elephant and while blindly touching an elephant each one feels a different part,but only one part,such as the side or the tusk,which made them in complete disagreement because each one seing a part of the whole truth.
In loving other people it should be part of us wanting to understand instead of wanting to tell them they're wrong. I am also experiencing conflict in this genuine idea;how do we honour
what we believe and at the same time giving the same freedom to others -not to feel threatened to see things differently?
Any thought ?
You seem like a complex woman , which sounds like an insult but what it really shows is that you are very passionate in what you believe in.. Nevertheless , in my case, it's alway good to keep an open mind.
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allthegoodnamest: You seem like a complex woman , which sounds like an insult but what it really shows is that you are very passionate in what you believe in.. Nevertheless , in my case, it's alway good to keep an open mind.
I don't see 'being complex person' as insult but possibly true, considering that some times I might feel clashes of identity,considering similar but still different cultures in me...but that differences at the same time enriching me to see more,believing that some things have more than just one good answer...On social site like CS it can be challenging to brake down the walls of pride by accepting vulnerability as a stringth,not a weakness because when we walk through our vulnerability openly it's risky if we're going to meet humility on the way to courage or if we're going to meet sharks that will rip us to peaces .
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Well, beliefs are something that should not be involved in matters that have nothing to do with them.
When one has certain beliefs he should be open to accept that reality and facts are stronger in matter of real life cases.
If one wants to believe in something that's his own right and the others have a right to choose what to believe in.
But being delusional should not be tolerated and covered in sugar...
There are some people that will manipulate you by distracting everyone from the main topic and talking nonsense to the point that many will fall for it...
Mind gaming and psycho-crafting are very common in the virtual world.
When one has certain beliefs he should be open to accept that reality and facts are stronger in matter of real life cases.
If one wants to believe in something that's his own right and the others have a right to choose what to believe in.
But being delusional should not be tolerated and covered in sugar...
There are some people that will manipulate you by distracting everyone from the main topic and talking nonsense to the point that many will fall for it...
Mind gaming and psycho-crafting are very common in the virtual world.
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At some point of our life we're all probably experienced to loose a good friend or even a lover because of differences in opinion. Life offers a cruel choice:you can be right or happy and it's especially true if there is an emotional vampire involved.
Have any of you wish you reacted differently at the time when you could choose happiness rather than rightness?
Have any of you wish you reacted differently at the time when you could choose happiness rather than rightness?
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KremaP: Well, beliefs are something that should not be involved in matters that have nothing to do with them.
When one has certain beliefs he should be open to accept that reality and facts are stronger in matter of real life cases.
If one wants to believe in something that's his own right and the others have a right to choose what to believe in.
But being delusional should not be tolerated and covered in sugar...
There are some people that will manipulate you by distracting everyone from the main topic and talking nonsense to the point that many will fall for it...
Mind gaming and psycho-crafting are very common in the virtual world.
When one has certain beliefs he should be open to accept that reality and facts are stronger in matter of real life cases.
If one wants to believe in something that's his own right and the others have a right to choose what to believe in.
But being delusional should not be tolerated and covered in sugar...
There are some people that will manipulate you by distracting everyone from the main topic and talking nonsense to the point that many will fall for it...
Mind gaming and psycho-crafting are very common in the virtual world.
I agree wholeheartedly and might add in the real world as well. Personally I have had a few strange ones,(even long time friends) that are pushing the envelope so far with this dysfunction or bad habit that I am really close to just putting them behind me. Sad but sometimes must be done to keep my own sanity. LOL...I surely do not need to try and clean up their messes and fantasy lives while trying to keep myself on track and planning today and tomorrow! LOL
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123whisper: At some point of our life we're all probably experienced to loose a good friend or even a lover because of differences in opinion. Life offers a cruel choice:you can be right or happy and it's especially true if there is an emotional vampire involved.
Have any of you wish you reacted differently at the time when you could choose happiness rather than rightness?
Have any of you wish you reacted differently at the time when you could choose happiness rather than rightness?
I think losing and winning have it's implications & justifications ,, some win by losing, depends on what fits to your desires.
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123whisper: At some point of our life we're all probably experienced to loose a good friend or even a lover because of differences in opinion. Life offers a cruel choice:you can be right or happy and it's especially true if there is an emotional vampire involved.
Have any of you wish you reacted differently at the time when you could choose happiness rather than rightness?
Have any of you wish you reacted differently at the time when you could choose happiness rather than rightness?
Ah, Whisper,
emotional vampire?
Now I think I understand better your thread...
I believe we can be right and happy at the same time.
Happiness and emotional vampirism?!
I just can not see it happening...
If one is cruel to your emotions how can he be a friend or a lover?
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Dragos1: I agree wholeheartedly and might add in the real world as well. Personally I have had a few strange ones,(even long time friends) that are pushing the envelope so far with this dysfunction or bad habit that I am really close to just putting them behind me. Sad but sometimes must be done to keep my own sanity. LOL...I surely do not need to try and clean up their messes and fantasy lives while trying to keep myself on track and planning today and tomorrow! LOL
;-}
;-}
Hi Drag,
I had my piece of it too...
A weak minded person could be easily dragged into a self doubting and then the horrible part starts.
One should not feel bad for cutting the cancer off of his life, becoming a martyr and feeding the vampire is not divine at all.
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its just a matter of common sence. to keep an opened mind....to weather it be viable or not....what ever it maybe.knowing your own limits....more often then not...streaching your self to far.....ends in tears/bitterness...jmo.
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KremaP: Well, beliefs are something that should not be involved in matters that have nothing to do with them.
When one has certain beliefs he should be open to accept that reality and facts are stronger in matter of real life cases.
If one wants to believe in something that's his own right and the others have a right to choose what to believe in.
But being delusional should not be tolerated and covered in sugar...
There are some people that will manipulate you by distracting everyone from the main topic and talking nonsense to the point that many will fall for it...
Mind gaming and psycho-crafting are very common in the virtual world.
When one has certain beliefs he should be open to accept that reality and facts are stronger in matter of real life cases.
If one wants to believe in something that's his own right and the others have a right to choose what to believe in.
But being delusional should not be tolerated and covered in sugar...
There are some people that will manipulate you by distracting everyone from the main topic and talking nonsense to the point that many will fall for it...
Mind gaming and psycho-crafting are very common in the virtual world.
You made an very good point,thank you.
Perhaps it's an power game involved in manipulations to distract everyone in changing topics or it may be just unaware ignorant inconsideration interaption because someone wish to relate to topic from diferent perceptiveness and personal level of interaction...but I agree that what ever is the reason it's not appropriate.
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Maybe.
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123whisper: You made an very good point,thank you.
Perhaps it's an power game involved in manipulations to distract everyone in changing topics or it may be just unaware ignorant inconsideration interaption because someone wish to relate to topic from diferent perceptiveness and personal level of interaction...but I agree that what ever is the reason it's not appropriate.
Perhaps it's an power game involved in manipulations to distract everyone in changing topics or it may be just unaware ignorant inconsideration interaption because someone wish to relate to topic from diferent perceptiveness and personal level of interaction...but I agree that what ever is the reason it's not appropriate.
And it should not be all about who is right and who is wrong, but when it comes to a moment when you say "Wait a minute, there is something not right here..." when you feel uncomfortable walking that path and words are not laying properly in your heart...then run, and run fast...
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Babettefr: I think losing and winning have it's implications & justifications ,, some win by losing, depends on what fits to your desires.
Yes,some win by loosing... but what if there's more than just one side of the truth to rightness...where open mind can see more than just his/her side and say;'I am right and you can be,too.'
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123whisper: Yes,some win by loosing...
but what if there's more than just one side of the truth to rightness...where open mind can see more than just his/her side and say;'I am right and you can be,too.'
but what if there's more than just one side of the truth to rightness...where open mind can see more than just his/her side and say;'I am right and you can be,too.'
Sincerely, yes, but in conflicting circumstances/situations,, nobody has the monopoly of being wrong or right, everybody by thier own interest could surely claim all the righteousness,,which by/at times proven to be the contrary.
Take for example in court trials, many jugements were proven to be wrong and many were persecuted by errors,, even/some
judges sollicites enlightenment from appopinted panels before rendering it's judgement, and the right in most cases will prevail, but unfortunately some already suffered such errors and no price could ever pay for it.
Your thread is a very brain challenging one.
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KremaP: Ah, Whisper,
emotional vampire?
Now I think I understand better your thread...
I believe we can be right and happy at the same time.
Happiness and emotional vampirism?!
I just can not see it happening...
If one is cruel to your emotions how can he be a friend or a lover?
emotional vampire?
Now I think I understand better your thread...
I believe we can be right and happy at the same time.
Happiness and emotional vampirism?!
I just can not see it happening...
If one is cruel to your emotions how can he be a friend or a lover?
I agree with healthy fondation of your thoughts...and like to add:there's no intimacy without vulnerability with friend or lover.
Some people can be over sensitive at times and prone to over reaction...and on some CS treads we can witness that everyone won't have the same response to a comment that can rise to high temperature
and in order to function in a world of diferent people,each of us brings to encounter varies of life experience, personality, mood,etc.Most of us are thought not to take responsibility for the emotions of others,specificly in the context of codependency - situations but it would be antisocial or narcissist to think that each of us have no responsibility for how our words affects other people.
More or less most of us can at times experience temptations to cover up hurt pride by letting our pride take us to the extrime opposite directions,in order to make the point that someone else is wrong ...
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Babettefr: Sincerely, yes, but in conflicting circumstances/situations,, nobody has the monopoly of being wrong or right, everybody by thier own interest could surely claim all the righteousness,,which by/at times proven to be the contrary.
Take for example in court trials, many jugements were proven to be wrong and many were persecuted by errors,, even/some
judges sollicites enlightenment from appopinted panels before rendering it's judgement, and the right in most cases will prevail, but unfortunately some already suffered such errors and no price could ever pay for it.
Your thread is a very brain challenging one.
Thank you for kind participation of sharing your thoughts and giving example. Take for example in court trials, many jugements were proven to be wrong and many were persecuted by errors,, even/some
judges sollicites enlightenment from appopinted panels before rendering it's judgement, and the right in most cases will prevail, but unfortunately some already suffered such errors and no price could ever pay for it.
Your thread is a very brain challenging one.
I know this topic is not an easy one 
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truheart1941: its just a matter of common sence. to keep an opened mind....to weather it be viable or not....what ever it maybe.knowing your own limits....more often then not...streaching your self to far.....ends in tears/bitterness...jmo.
Thanks for thoughtful comment. In what ever life situation I like to remind myself and others of wise quote I read somewhere;'The road to rightness is paved with the love of humanity. The road to arogance is paved with the love of self.' Conciously or uncounciously,some times we take different road's for various personal reasons but it's important that we can reflect what's really right...rather than taking priority in being right.
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123whisper: On almost every tread someone (including myself) has commented that there are times when other people are wrong .Presumably wrong when the person see things differently because is misinformed or person might be from diferent cultural background perceptions and opposed to holding a varied but diferent opinions.
Many of us wrap around our identities around our beliefs and understanding. It can be scary to consider other person different points of views,because it challenges loosing the beliefs that help us make sense of the world where one feel safe and right, just as style of cloths we're use to wearing and it challenges us if someone expect us to completely change that style in something we're not acastum to...
Does it cross your mind that sticking to our stubborn beliefs we limiting ourselves for new experiences of self and others,maybe even loosing chance to become close to someone we like ?
Perhaps were all like 'the blind men and an elephant' that's Indian story of a group of six blind brothers who where washing an elephant and while blindly touching an elephant each one feels a different part,but only one part,such as the side or the tusk,which made them in complete disagreement because each one seing a part of the whole truth.
In loving other people it should be part of us wanting to understand instead of wanting to tell them they're wrong. I am also experiencing conflict in this genuine idea;how do we honour what we believe and at the same time giving the same freedom to others -not to feel threatened to see things differently?
Any thought ?
Many of us wrap around our identities around our beliefs and understanding. It can be scary to consider other person different points of views,because it challenges loosing the beliefs that help us make sense of the world where one feel safe and right, just as style of cloths we're use to wearing and it challenges us if someone expect us to completely change that style in something we're not acastum to...
Does it cross your mind that sticking to our stubborn beliefs we limiting ourselves for new experiences of self and others,maybe even loosing chance to become close to someone we like ?
Perhaps were all like 'the blind men and an elephant' that's Indian story of a group of six blind brothers who where washing an elephant and while blindly touching an elephant each one feels a different part,but only one part,such as the side or the tusk,which made them in complete disagreement because each one seing a part of the whole truth.
In loving other people it should be part of us wanting to understand instead of wanting to tell them they're wrong. I am also experiencing conflict in this genuine idea;how do we honour what we believe and at the same time giving the same freedom to others -not to feel threatened to see things differently?
Any thought ?
Whisper
as you have said it it depends on the background of the people to form their beliefs. The problem is that we label "right" or "wrong" for them when they are neither. What we do with them could.
Many centuries a go people was politest (some still are) then monotheism came then atheism, for example.
Trying to place every one in one bag is just not possible.
We have to learn that some people just think differently and everyone has the right to it.
It should work both ways.
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Being a pragmatic male I think empirical evidence is essential
, as with a lot of of scientific discoveries, some stretching incredulity, proof is usually obtained through various means to determine whether some hypothesis are indeed true.
So in the emotional realm some reactions may be predetermined and triggered by our inbuilt beliefs of various emotional states, for example we may believe we are in love by our complex reactions to another personality, thus ensuring the procreation of the human race.
Perhaps our complex emotional reactions are more predetermined than we think.
I have been in love and it was a very real experience for me.
But was it a reaction to a complex variable of sensory inputs, and inevitable, or predetermined.
, as with a lot of of scientific discoveries, some stretching incredulity, proof is usually obtained through various means to determine whether some hypothesis are indeed true.
So in the emotional realm some reactions may be predetermined and triggered by our inbuilt beliefs of various emotional states, for example we may believe we are in love by our complex reactions to another personality, thus ensuring the procreation of the human race.
Perhaps our complex emotional reactions are more predetermined than we think.
I have been in love and it was a very real experience for me.
But was it a reaction to a complex variable of sensory inputs, and inevitable, or predetermined.
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Many of us wrap around our identities around our beliefs and understanding. It can be scary to consider other person different points of views,because it challenges loosing the beliefs that help us make sense of the world where one feel safe and right, just as style of cloths we're use to wearing and it challenges us if someone expect us to completely change that style in something we're not acastum to...
Does it cross your mind that sticking to our stubborn beliefs we limiting ourselves for new experiences of self and others,maybe even loosing chance to become close to someone we like ?
Perhaps were all like 'the blind men and an elephant' that's Indian story of a group of six blind brothers who where washing an elephant and while blindly touching an elephant each one feels a different part,but only one part,such as the side or the tusk,which made them in complete disagreement because each one seing a part of the whole truth.
In loving other people it should be part of us wanting to understand instead of wanting to tell them they're wrong. I am also experiencing conflict in this genuine idea;how do we honour what we believe and at the same time giving the same freedom to others -not to feel threatened to see things differently?
Any thought ?