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Aragorn11: From what I can see it hasn't changed anything, apart from awareness.
Which I think was his goal.
Has us talking about it and researching why he is doing it.
Actually in my first comment I had mentioned it has taken away from the awareness he said he was seeking and put it on everything but that. Which is a shame because before this it was finally getting some attention. Now I can only speak what I am seeing going on here in the states. Ireland might be more aware. But I am not sure your awareness will actually help Which I think was his goal.
Has us talking about it and researching why he is doing it.
Now the awareness has shifted to does he have the right. Blah blah blah. But sadly not to the reason he was doing it
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Happygolucky4u: Actually in my first comment I had mentioned it has taken away from the awareness he said he was seeking and put it on everything but that. Which is a shame because before this it was finally getting some attention. Now I can only speak what I am seeing going on here in the states. Ireland might be more aware. But I am not sure your awareness will actually help
Now the awareness has shifted to does he have the right. Blah blah blah. But sadly not to the reason he was doing it
Now the awareness has shifted to does he have the right. Blah blah blah. But sadly not to the reason he was doing it
If BLM run the country you wouldn't have the freedom to protest not that this would bother you too much as finding your next meal would take priority. Forget fighting for rights and liberty you'll have much more fundamental concerns. Blacks could only care so much about rights by coming from a white society which gives them the expectations of the civilised man.
Anyway, Blacks have the same problem as the Bolsheviks. The fact is that the bolsheviks/blacks can't run things equal or better than the capitalists/whites and this pretending to be equal to your betters is why the Soviet Union, A) Didn't work, and B) created more inequality. BLM future will do the same if Blacks can manage crude Stalinism - like they do in South Africa under Zuma - but there's every chance they wouldn't even be able to organise this.
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Rumples: If BLM run the country you wouldn't have the freedom to protest not that this would bother you too much as finding your next meal would take priority. Forget fighting for rights and liberty you'll have much more fundamental concerns. Blacks could only care so much about rights by coming from a white society which gives them the expectations of the civilised man.
Anyway, Blacks have the same problem as the Bolsheviks. The fact is that the bolsheviks/blacks can't run things equal or better than the capitalists/whites and this pretending to be equal to your betters is why the Soviet Union, A) Didn't work, and B) created more inequality. BLM future will do the same if Blacks can manage crude Stalinism - like they do in South Africa under Zuma - but there's every chance they wouldn't even be able to organise this.
Anyway, Blacks have the same problem as the Bolsheviks. The fact is that the bolsheviks/blacks can't run things equal or better than the capitalists/whites and this pretending to be equal to your betters is why the Soviet Union, A) Didn't work, and B) created more inequality. BLM future will do the same if Blacks can manage crude Stalinism - like they do in South Africa under Zuma - but there's every chance they wouldn't even be able to organise this.
If white America is determined to end its existence and its success then make sure it's the hispanics which gain from it, not the blacks. Bequeath civilisation to those who at least looks like they might take care of it, who look like they could know what they're doing.
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Rumples: If BLM run the country you wouldn't have the freedom to protest not that this would bother you too much as finding your next meal would take priority. Forget fighting for rights and liberty you'll have much more fundamental concerns. Blacks could only care so much about rights by coming from a white society which gives them the expectations of the civilised man.
Anyway, Blacks have the same problem as the Bolsheviks. The fact is that the bolsheviks/blacks can't run things equal or better than the capitalists/whites and this pretending to be equal to your betters is why the Soviet Union, A) Didn't work, and B) created more inequality. BLM future will do the same if Blacks can manage crude Stalinism - like they do in South Africa under Zuma - but there's every chance they wouldn't even be able to organise this.
Anyway, Blacks have the same problem as the Bolsheviks. The fact is that the bolsheviks/blacks can't run things equal or better than the capitalists/whites and this pretending to be equal to your betters is why the Soviet Union, A) Didn't work, and B) created more inequality. BLM future will do the same if Blacks can manage crude Stalinism - like they do in South Africa under Zuma - but there's every chance they wouldn't even be able to organise this.
That's what BLM is and Bolshevism was. The combination of desperate people with "equal to your better" mentality of bolshevik peasants, and the false modesty and "equal to your lesser" feigned mentality of the smug and pretentious.
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I thought this thread was about Colin Kapernacknacknack.
It went from an American football player who is half white/half black who is refusing to respect the National Anthem of America and now the thread relates him to the Bolsheviks
I must have missed that history class
It went from an American football player who is half white/half black who is refusing to respect the National Anthem of America and now the thread relates him to the Bolsheviks
I must have missed that history class
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I'll buy him a one way ticket to Russia or China, then he can see what racial injustice and civil unrest are really about. Better yet, just cross into Mexico illegally and see what happens. He has the right to refuse to stand for the flag, and also the right to leave this country he finds so abusive. If he wanted to really do something about his perceptions, talk to those that are so "abused", advise them not to pull guns on people, don't fight the cops, and don't keep the attitude of them against us. This country isn't perfect, but from my travels around the world, it's the best thing going.
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Rumples: That's what BLM is and Bolshevism was. The combination of desperate people with "equal to your better" mentality of bolshevik peasants, and the false modesty and "equal to your lesser" feigned mentality of the smug and pretentious.
What losers, the true least amongst us, will not accept is the best man won. Equal to your better is what the real loser invests his ego in to deny that he himself is the reason for his lack of success.
The affluent are different, false modesty has never been very working class, and the will to associate with the least among us is strong in an attempt to share in the sense of victimhood and disadvantage at the bottom of society. The White people supporting BLM are pretending to be street because they're insecure that their success comes from privilege and not merit or that they feel bad about their lack of success despite of being born in such privilege. Veiling privilege is the whole point of "equal to your lesser".
Anyway, you have the working class Black populist in BLM and you have the white bourgeoise SJW. These are two completely different sorts of people and they can only co-exist together through the mutual hatred of something else.
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Some people find this to be disrespectful to those who have lost their lives to protect the freedom of Americans.
Logic would dictate the opposite, that he is respecting his right to freedom , particularly given his cause to extend equak rights, and thus freedom, to all American citizens.
And as an aside, it's not possible to insult a flag. Flags are not sentient; they do not have feelings.
Logic would dictate the opposite, that he is respecting his right to freedom , particularly given his cause to extend equak rights, and thus freedom, to all American citizens.
And as an aside, it's not possible to insult a flag. Flags are not sentient; they do not have feelings.
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jac_the_gripper: Some people find this to be disrespectful to those who have lost their lives to protect the freedom of Americans.
Logic would dictate the opposite, that he is respecting his right to freedom , particularly given his cause to extend equak rights, and thus freedom, to all American citizens.
And as an aside, it's not possible to insult a flag. Flags are not sentient; they do not have feelings.
Logic would dictate the opposite, that he is respecting his right to freedom , particularly given his cause to extend equak rights, and thus freedom, to all American citizens.
And as an aside, it's not possible to insult a flag. Flags are not sentient; they do not have feelings.
It most certainly is possible to insult the flag because our flag is a symbol for the following reasons.
"There is power in symbols.
Betsy Ross
While any individual U.S. flag is physically no more than a piece of fabric emblazoned with stripes and stars, it remains a poignant symbol of our nation, and symbols, such as banners, sigils and flags have inspired and united people for centuries.
Betsy Ross house
Betsy Ross is herself a symbol. The story of the humble seamstress creating a flag for the emerging nation is a treasured national legend. But she was more than just a legend.
Betsy was a real historical figure and a subject of ongoing research and inquiry. Her story would remain inspirational regardless of whether additional evidence emerges to corroborate it, but we should not be at all surpised if it does.
"History" is not a clear and precise record of the past. It's a continuing process of gathering and analyzing evidence, and some parts of our past will always remain unclear. We can hope that evidence will further clarify Betsy's story, but she, like the flag itself, will always be an inspirational symbol and a cherished part of our national legacy.
Frequently Asked Questions
Who created the U.S. flag? Was it Betsy Ross?
Maybe! In fact, it seems highly probable, but no preserved documents from the Continental Congress or the personal correspondance of George Washington or any related figures has emerged to either confirm or contradict the claims made by Betsy's decendents.
What do the red, white, and blue of the flag represent?
The Continental Congress left no record to show why it chose the colors. However, in 1782, the Congress of the Confederation chose these same colors for the Great Seal of the United States and listed their meaning as follows:
•Red: Valor and hardiness,
•White: Purity and innocence
•Blue: Vigilance, perseverance, and justice.
According to legend, George Washington interpreted the elements of the flag this way: the stars were taken from the sky, the red from the British colors, and the white stripes signified the secession from the home country. However, there is no official designation or meaning for the colors of the flag.
Why are the stars in a circle?
The stars were in a circle so that no one colony would be viewed above another. It is reported that George Washington said, "Let the 13 stars in a circle stand as a new constellation in the heavens."
Why would Betsy Ross be chosen to make the flag?
It was usual in that day for upholsterers to be flagmakers. As Betsy Ross prayed in the pew next to George Washington and had already sewn buttons for him, and she was a niece of George Ross, it is not exceptional that these members of the Flag Committee formed by the Continental Congress would call upon Betsy Ross to make the flag.
Why is the flag called "Old Glory"?
In 1831, Captain William Driver, a shipmaster from Salem, Massachusetts, left on one of his many world voyages. Friends presented him with a flag of 24 stars. As the banner opened to the ocean breeze, he exclaimed, "Old Glory." He kept his flag for many years, protecting it during the Civil War, until it was flown over the Tennessee capital. His "Old Glory" became a nickname for all American flags.
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Happygolucky4u: That would be nice if he did. Lets hope his word is better than President Obamas, people are still waiting on his promised donations. If you are unsure what I am talking about. Here is the link.....and the white house verified this is true as of last week.
Also everyone has an opinion on this. And of course not all are going to agree with me so even if you did defend him it would be ok. And I imagine some could care less about it. It will blow over and a new horror will arise for us to traumatize over, Got to keep our little minds occupied where we will not look and see what the bunch of crooks our government officials are up to
Also everyone has an opinion on this. And of course not all are going to agree with me so even if you did defend him it would be ok. And I imagine some could care less about it. It will blow over and a new horror will arise for us to traumatize over, Got to keep our little minds occupied where we will not look and see what the bunch of crooks our government officials are up to
Very true
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mikeb87: I'll buy him a one way ticket to Russia or China, then he can see what racial injustice and civil unrest are really about. Better yet, just cross into Mexico illegally and see what happens. He has the right to refuse to stand for the flag, and also the right to leave this country he finds so abusive. If he wanted to really do something about his perceptions, talk to those that are so "abused", advise them not to pull guns on people, don't fight the cops, and don't keep the attitude of them against us. This country isn't perfect, but from my travels around the world, it's the best thing going.
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secretagent09: It most certainly is possible to insult the flag because our flag is a symbol for the following reasons. "There is power in symbols.
Betsy Ross
While any individual U.S. flag is physically no more than a piece of fabric emblazoned with stripes and stars, it remains a poignant symbol of our nation, and symbols, such as banners, sigils and flags have inspired and united people for centuries.
Betsy Ross house
Betsy Ross is herself a symbol. The story of the humble seamstress creating a flag for the emerging nation is a treasured national legend. But she was more than just a legend.
Betsy was a real historical figure and a subject of ongoing research and inquiry. Her story would remain inspirational regardless of whether additional evidence emerges to corroborate it, but we should not be at all surpised if it does.
"History" is not a clear and precise record of the past. It's a continuing process of gathering and analyzing evidence, and some parts of our past will always remain unclear. We can hope that evidence will further clarify Betsy's story, but she, like the flag itself, will always be an inspirational symbol and a cherished part of our national legacy.
Frequently Asked Questions
Who created the U.S. flag? Was it Betsy Ross?
Maybe! In fact, it seems highly probable, but no preserved documents from the Continental Congress or the personal correspondance of George Washington or any related figures has emerged to either confirm or contradict the claims made by Betsy's decendents.What do the red, white, and blue of the flag represent?
The Continental Congress left no record to show why it chose the colors. However, in 1782, the Congress of the Confederation chose these same colors for the Great Seal of the United States and listed their meaning as follows:
•Red: Valor and hardiness,
•White: Purity and innocence
•Blue: Vigilance, perseverance, and justice.According to legend, George Washington interpreted the elements of the flag this way: the stars were taken from the sky, the red from the British colors, and the white stripes signified the secession from the home country. However, there is no official designation or meaning for the colors of the flag.Why are the stars in a circle?
The stars were in a circle so that no one colony would be viewed above another. It is reported that George Washington said, "Let the 13 stars in a circle stand as a new constellation in the heavens."Why would Betsy Ross be chosen to make the flag?
It was usual in that day for upholsterers to be flagmakers. As Betsy Ross prayed in the pew next to George Washington and had already sewn buttons for him, and she was a niece of George Ross, it is not exceptional that these members of the Flag Committee formed by the Continental Congress would call upon Betsy Ross to make the flag.Why is the flag called "Old Glory"?
In 1831, Captain William Driver, a shipmaster from Salem, Massachusetts, left on one of his many world voyages. Friends presented him with a flag of 24 stars. As the banner opened to the ocean breeze, he exclaimed, "Old Glory." He kept his flag for many years, protecting it during the Civil War, until it was flown over the Tennessee capital. His "Old Glory" became a nickname for all American flags.
Betsy Ross
While any individual U.S. flag is physically no more than a piece of fabric emblazoned with stripes and stars, it remains a poignant symbol of our nation, and symbols, such as banners, sigils and flags have inspired and united people for centuries.
Betsy Ross house
Betsy Ross is herself a symbol. The story of the humble seamstress creating a flag for the emerging nation is a treasured national legend. But she was more than just a legend.
Betsy was a real historical figure and a subject of ongoing research and inquiry. Her story would remain inspirational regardless of whether additional evidence emerges to corroborate it, but we should not be at all surpised if it does.
"History" is not a clear and precise record of the past. It's a continuing process of gathering and analyzing evidence, and some parts of our past will always remain unclear. We can hope that evidence will further clarify Betsy's story, but she, like the flag itself, will always be an inspirational symbol and a cherished part of our national legacy.
Frequently Asked Questions
Who created the U.S. flag? Was it Betsy Ross?
Maybe! In fact, it seems highly probable, but no preserved documents from the Continental Congress or the personal correspondance of George Washington or any related figures has emerged to either confirm or contradict the claims made by Betsy's decendents.What do the red, white, and blue of the flag represent?
The Continental Congress left no record to show why it chose the colors. However, in 1782, the Congress of the Confederation chose these same colors for the Great Seal of the United States and listed their meaning as follows:
•Red: Valor and hardiness,
•White: Purity and innocence
•Blue: Vigilance, perseverance, and justice.According to legend, George Washington interpreted the elements of the flag this way: the stars were taken from the sky, the red from the British colors, and the white stripes signified the secession from the home country. However, there is no official designation or meaning for the colors of the flag.Why are the stars in a circle?
The stars were in a circle so that no one colony would be viewed above another. It is reported that George Washington said, "Let the 13 stars in a circle stand as a new constellation in the heavens."Why would Betsy Ross be chosen to make the flag?
It was usual in that day for upholsterers to be flagmakers. As Betsy Ross prayed in the pew next to George Washington and had already sewn buttons for him, and she was a niece of George Ross, it is not exceptional that these members of the Flag Committee formed by the Continental Congress would call upon Betsy Ross to make the flag.Why is the flag called "Old Glory"?
In 1831, Captain William Driver, a shipmaster from Salem, Massachusetts, left on one of his many world voyages. Friends presented him with a flag of 24 stars. As the banner opened to the ocean breeze, he exclaimed, "Old Glory." He kept his flag for many years, protecting it during the Civil War, until it was flown over the Tennessee capital. His "Old Glory" became a nickname for all American flags.
I love your response, great job!
Many, many moons ago, when I was a young child, (probably a 3rd or 4th grader) I actually wrote a paper on Betsy Ross and my mother made a costume for me that I wore as my Hallowen that year.
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it is all about free speech.....what is the big deal here....?......he is not complaining about the country- just certain aspects of the way it is run by politicians......FREE SPEECH........the guy has guts......at least he is not screaming and destroying property of innocents....at least he is not harming innocents.....FREE SPEECH.......and- by the way, Beyoncé's fake lip-synch of the anthem was far worse.......
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Happygolucky4u: Actually in my first comment I had mentioned it has taken away from the awareness he said he was seeking and put it on everything but that. Which is a shame because before this it was finally getting some attention. Now I can only speak what I am seeing going on here in the states. Ireland might be more aware. But I am not sure your awareness will actually help
Now the awareness has shifted to does he have the right. Blah blah blah. But sadly not to the reason he was doing it
Now the awareness has shifted to does he have the right. Blah blah blah. But sadly not to the reason he was doing it
Well I mostly read US articles in relation to this so we must be reading different publications
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Aragorn11: Well I mostly read US articles in relation to this so we must be reading different publications
And its interesting to read that that the awareness is not what it should be in the States. Thanks
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And the heat is on!
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why is it that every American politician crooked or not- always poses in front of 1 to 4 American flags......?.......remember the pledge of allegiance....?......well- given BO's recent school directive......just leave out the 'L' in the 6th word..........that is what Americans are pledging to until January 2017.......
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Very simple, if its disrespectful you don't do it! You can protest all you want, but if you are disrespecting anyone by doing it, then perhaps you should find a new way of protesting.
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Friskyone: Originally he refused to stand for the pre-game National Anthem, now he is taking one knee, in a protest of perceived racial injustice and civil unrest in the U.S.
Some people find this to be disrespectful to those who have lost their lives to protect the freedom of Americans. Other's feel he insulting the American Flag as well as he is earning millions of dollars playing a game on american soil.
President Obama and other's are supporting his decision and feel it is his constitutional right to do so.
I support the First Amendment. Therefor, I think Colin is right!!
Any comments or opinions?
Some people find this to be disrespectful to those who have lost their lives to protect the freedom of Americans. Other's feel he insulting the American Flag as well as he is earning millions of dollars playing a game on american soil.
President Obama and other's are supporting his decision and feel it is his constitutional right to do so.
I support the First Amendment. Therefor, I think Colin is right!!
Any comments or opinions?
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Also everyone has an opinion on this. And of course not all are going to agree with me so even if you did defend him it would be ok. And I imagine some could care less about it. It will blow over and a new horror will arise for us to traumatize over, Got to keep our little minds occupied where we will not look and see what the
bunch of crooksour government officials are up to