crazy edit...just like windows 10 has more back doors than you can imagine, android as well now unless you gain root and delete em all...this loading of .gov approved firmware into all mac products hasn't stopped and is to continually be upgraded researched and permanently loaded in all new mac products...
looks like they've been infecting mac products since 08
even a hard reset wont help you, and with gubmint approved firmware/spyware like "DarkMatter"NightSkies"DarkMallet""DerStarke'" and ""sonic screwdriver""what could go wrong...
crayons: crazy edit...just like windows 10 has more back doors than you can imagine, android as well now unless you gain root and delete em all...this loading of .gov approved firmware into all mac products hasn't stopped and is to continually be upgraded researched and permanently loaded in all new mac products...
looks like they've been infecting mac products since 08
even a hard reset wont help you, and with gubmint approved firmware/spyware like "DarkMatter"NightSkies"DarkMallet""DerStarke'" and ""sonic screwdriver""what could go wrong...
I guess this is why the USA government had a huge and well publicised battle with Apple over opening the iphone of a terror suspect, so they could read the contents. Or why the UK government is about to hold a meeting with Google and other media owners, to find a way for the security agencies to read encrypted messages.
You OP is just a mass of conspiracy theories that can so easily be disproved.
Personally, if a security company wants to read my emails, my text messages or even listen to phone calls , I have no problem with that, other than to apologise in advance for boring some agent to death. The safety of society comes way ahead of me asking someone to buy me some fried rice!
rizlared: I guess this is why the USA government had a huge and well publicised battle with Apple over opening the iphone of a terror suspect, so they could read the contents. Or why the UK government is about to hold a meeting with Google and other media owners, to find a way for the security agencies to read encrypted messages.
You OP is just a mass of conspiracy theories that can so easily be disproved.
Personally, if a security company wants to read my emails, my text messages or even listen to phone calls , I have no problem with that, other than to apologise in advance for boring some agent to death. The safety of society comes way ahead of me asking someone to buy me some fried rice!
Shouldn't be so hasty to jump to conclusions there. They've already had the technology to track your location through cell phones well over a decade now. Even when you turn the cell off, they can turn it back on again and continue tracking...one would have to remove the battery to stop them. This isn't any conspiracy at all, I've witnessed it several times. As technology advances so does the ability to make spying that much more easier.
I can go back even further with the police in the 80's having black boxes in the trunks of their cruisers, and just like pointing a speed radar gun at passing cars to detect speed, this device was capable of eavesdropping on mobile communications a few block away. I've also seen this technology with my own eyes.
I don't think I need to mention what satellites are capable of.
YouMeUs: Shouldn't be so hasty to jump to conclusions there. They've already had the technology to track your location through cell phones well over a decade now. Even when you turn the cell off, they can turn it back on again and continue tracking...one would have to remove the battery to stop them. This isn't any conspiracy at all, I've witnessed it several times. As technology advances so does the ability to make spying that much more easier.
I can go back even further with the police in the 80's having black boxes in the trunks of their cruisers, and just like pointing a speed radar gun at passing cars to detect speed, this device was capable of eavesdropping on mobile communications a few block away. I've also seen this technology with my own eyes.
I don't think I need to mention what satellites are capable of.
Of course you can track phones and eavesdrop on conversations, never said you couldn't, but the OP suggested that the Government was forcing manufacturers to install spy software as firmware into new phones, I was just pointing out that this is untrue, as if it was the case, then why did the examples I gave come up?
Many many moons ago, when I was working with a certain computer company, an in-house and brilliant programmer designed a software encryption system that was almost unbreakable, the idea was to sell to banks for money transfers etc, however, the GCHQ in the UK got wind of this software and threatened the company with massive fines or worse unless they gave the source code to GCHQ, the company declined the offer and said they would drop the software from their product list.
That company is today, famous for their phone security. And GCHQ still cannot decrypt their software
rizlared: Of course you can track phones and eavesdrop on conversations, never said you couldn't, but the OP suggested that the Government was forcing manufacturers to install spy software as firmware into new phones, I was just pointing out that this is untrue, as if it was the case, then why did the examples I gave come up?
Many many moons ago, when I was working with a certain computer company, an in-house and brilliant programmer designed a software encryption system that was almost unbreakable, the idea was to sell to banks for money transfers etc, however, the GCHQ in the UK got wind of this software and threatened the company with massive fines or worse unless they gave the source code to GCHQ, the company declined the offer and said they would drop the software from their product list.
That company is today, famous for their phone security. And GCHQ still cannot decrypt their software
I don't know if "forcing" would be the best choice of words, when it could be just as easily to have a shadow company proposing such firmware and not clueing the manufacturer's in on what they don't want to be exposed. This, of course, is mere speculation but given that it is quite possible, should not be ruled out. Governments, especially those like the US and GB, perhaps even China and Russia have been proven to be quite sneaky in their efforts to keep track of situations worthy of spying on.
Exactly, and that kind of suggests that the OP has somewhat jumped the gun, there are moves to create back doors to some devices, but the important sentence is "However, the concern over the UK proposals are that they might be interpreted to require all systems to be built with a so-called "back door" which would provide law enforcement access on production of a warrant." The word "might" would lead one to the premise that so far, this has NOT happened.
I would have no problem with any security agency having full access to all my computers and phones, but and this is a huge but, can we trust these security agencies not to leak the back door keys to other non-security companies or individuals? I am not so sure.
YouMeUs: I don't know if "forcing" would be the best choice of words, when it could be just as easily to have a shadow company proposing such firmware and not clueing the manufacturer's in on what they don't want to be exposed. This, of course, is mere speculation but given that it is quite possible, should not be ruled out. Governments, especially those like the US and GB, perhaps even China and Russia have been proven to be quite sneaky in their efforts to keep track of situations worthy of spying on.
What Chinese phones may or may not contain is not the topic here, the OP specifically said some Apple Products are loaded with Government approved back door software, this is untrue and unless he provides absolute proof then I stand by my original posts, that this is just another conspiracy theory thrown out as scare tactics.
The sooner we all stand up against the false stories and twisted facts to fit certain agendas, the sooner we can actually find out the real and true news stories and start trusting the worlds media.
rizlared: Exactly, and that kind of suggests that the OP has somewhat jumped the gun, there are moves to create back doors to some devices, but the important sentence is "However, the concern over the UK proposals are that they might be interpreted to require all systems to be built with a so-called "back door" which would provide law enforcement access on production of a warrant." The word "might" would lead one to the premise that so far, this has NOT happened.
I would have no problem with any security agency having full access to all my computers and phones, but and this is a huge but, can we trust these security agencies not to leak the back door keys to other non-security companies or individuals? I am not so sure.
All you have said is very true and is very hard to argue against, But Given the track record of the way things work is it any wonder people may Jump the Gun. These security companies and government bodies are themselves well known for jumping the gun, running with the premise that It is easier to get forgiveness than it is to get permission.
As far as The OP's statement goes ! I think he is right to suffer cautious paranoia on this issue
rizlared: What Chinese phones may or may not contain is not the topic here, the OP specifically said some Apple Products are loaded with Government approved back door software, this is untrue and unless he provides absolute proof then I stand by my original posts, that this is just another conspiracy theory thrown out as scare tactics.
The sooner we all stand up against the false stories and twisted facts to fit certain agendas, the sooner we can actually find out the real and true news stories and start trusting the worlds media.
If Im not mistaken Trump singed an order for wider and more to give these bodies and agencies greater power to spy on the People All people.
I think trusting the worlds media is an issue for another forum..
nonsmoker: If Im not mistaken Trump singed an order for wider and more to give these bodies and agencies greater power to spy on the People All people.
I think trusting the worlds media is an issue for another forum..
He may indeed have signed an EO to that purpose, however, it would seem that most of his executive orders have so far been rejected by the senate. Having said that, again I have no problem with any government spying on me, I just hope they bring plenty of books as my life is somewhat dull . But if it leads to the arrest of a terrorist and saves live, then that is good in my view.
As to the world media, yes maybe another thread is required, it is a tin of worms at present.
rizlared: Exactly, and that kind of suggests that the OP has somewhat jumped the gun, there are moves to create back doors to some devices, but the important sentence is "However, the concern over the UK proposals are that they might be interpreted to require all systems to be built with a so-called "back door" which would provide law enforcement access on production of a warrant." The word "might" would lead one to the premise that so far, this has NOT happened.
I would have no problem with any security agency having full access to all my computers and phones, but and this is a huge but, can we trust these security agencies not to leak the back door keys to other non-security companies or individuals? I am not so sure.
Good point, but make no mistake about the fact that Microsoft and similar companies relevant to social media already have firmware in their OS's that can trace and monitor where, when and how often the end user uses the programs. Google as well has the same abilities.
And way back when they were first brought to our attention, we also seen them being exploited and also had those shouting out "conspiracy theories." Now they are proven facts. It's that darned conspiracy theory idealism that keeps people segregated with believing whether there's actual facts from nonsense fiction whenever something new pops up...but that was the purpose of creating such an idealistic ploy. One can more easily sneak their 'mechanisms' in while there is a distraction in place.
YouMeUs: Good point, but make no mistake about the fact that Microsoft and similar companies relevant to social media already have firmware in their OS's that can trace and monitor where, when and how often the end user uses the programs. Google as well has the same abilities.
And way back when they were first brought to our attention, we also seen them being exploited and also had those shouting out "conspiracy theories." Now they are proven facts. It's that darned conspiracy theory idealism that keeps people segregated with believing whether there's actual facts from nonsense fiction whenever something new pops up...but that was the purpose of creating such an idealistic ploy. One can more easily sneak their 'mechanisms' in while there is a distraction in place.
I think we all know the ability of phone and computer software to follow and track our lifestyle, it even shows up on the adverts on CS, but I think there is a subtle difference between questioning a suspicion and creating a conspiracy theory, I believe in questioning everything, I don't believe creating stories to push an agenda, if all goes back to the "If a lie is repeated enough times, it becomes true in the eyes of those who fail to question anything"
rizlared: I think we all know the ability of phone and computer software to follow and track our lifestyle, it even shows up on the adverts on CS, but I think there is a subtle difference between questioning a suspicion and creating a conspiracy theory, I believe in questioning everything, I don't believe creating stories to push an agenda, if all goes back to the "If a lie is repeated enough times, it becomes true in the eyes of those who fail to question anything"
I can't see any logical reasoning why anyone would even want to make up any type of conspiracy unless something big or bigger is actually happening. What other purpose would it serve?
The OP has provided a link to the topic at hand, thereby pointing to where the source originates. How the OP addresses the issue is less relevant to that, if one is actually seeking facts.
rizlared: Exactly, and that kind of suggests that the OP has somewhat jumped the gun, t
crazy edit...the program and details are listed in the original article/link on right side of the page...that being said i do biz with a major IT co. who routinely locates & shuts down back doors on a variety of operating systems...new systems included.
the chineeese model of censorship is much harsher than just zapping yer pooter... but razzlred won't admit to us what the PRC does to whistle blowers.
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than you can imagine, android as well now unless you
gain root and delete em all...this loading of .gov approved firmware
into all mac products hasn't stopped and is to continually be upgraded
researched and permanently loaded in all new mac products...
looks like they've been infecting mac products since 08
even a hard reset wont help you, and with
gubmint approved firmware/spyware like
"DarkMatter"NightSkies"DarkMallet""DerStarke'"
and ""sonic screwdriver""what could go wrong...
todays "latest spy on you"" revelations here...