Margaret Thatcher . (204)
blathin: If you have to resort to using China as an example then you mustn't understand the difference between capitalism and socialism. China is neither by the way
Capitalism is socialism for the rich .Socialism looks after everyone and doesn't expect the state to legislate for every little detail, it allows far more social autonomy and self monitoring...which means lots of room is left for morals and ethics...capitalism doesn't, money rules in Capitalism and it's a fight to the death for everything..which is why the US and UK are exhuasted ruins these days...people are tired of always having to fight for every little morsel...Socialism puts the people at the front and protects their futures and their childrens futures .....I guess most (especially the vociferous anti socialism Americans) must have a very skewed viewed of the true meaning and in truth have no idea what their trying to protect....
Can you re address this to tomcat .Capitalism is socialism for the rich .Socialism looks after everyone and doesn't expect the state to legislate for every little detail, it allows far more social autonomy and self monitoring...which means lots of room is left for morals and ethics...capitalism doesn't, money rules in Capitalism and it's a fight to the death for everything..which is why the US and UK are exhuasted ruins these days...people are tired of always having to fight for every little morsel...Socialism puts the people at the front and protects their futures and their childrens futures .....I guess most (especially the vociferous anti socialism Americans) must have a very skewed viewed of the true meaning and in truth have no idea what their trying to protect....
This thread has exhausted me & I don’t want to get into a capitalist/ socialist spat .
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Youcannow: I understand, but there has to be a happy medium but the unions had to much power .
Every Industry public , or private needs to at least make a profile , or break even .
What the unions were asking for was way beyond the rate of inflation.
if it weren't for the unions we'd still have children out working, dreadful working conditions and people losing limbs or worse dying from having to work in dreadfully unhealthy conditions... Every Industry public , or private needs to at least make a profile , or break even .
What the unions were asking for was way beyond the rate of inflation.
If the greedy privateers of modern day industry were more humane there wouldn't have been need for the unions...The unions were needed to curb and keep the psychopathic rapacious greed and lust for money and power under control....
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Youcannow: I go by fact , not emotions .
On the contrary all your comments on this thread have been your opinion/s. And, we all know the driver of opinions are emotions, in this case, yours. So it seems you don't even know yourself, much less what Maggie Thatcher really did to England and the English people...
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blathin: If you have to resort to using China as an example then you mustn't understand the difference between capitalism and socialism. China is neither by the way
Capitalism is socialism for the rich .Socialism looks after everyone and doesn't expect the state to legislate for every little detail, it allows far more social autonomy and self monitoring...which means lots of room is left for morals and ethics...capitalism doesn't, money rules in Capitalism and it's a fight to the death for everything..which is why the US and UK are exhuasted ruins these days...people are tired of always having to fight for eve. I ry little morsel...Socialism puts the people at the front and protects their futures and their childrens futures .....I guess most (especially the vociferous anti socialism Americans) must have a very skewed viewed of the true meaning and in truth have no idea what their trying to protect....
My sentiments exactly, I lived in Finland for many years and the level of care for the individual is paramount.Capitalism is socialism for the rich .Socialism looks after everyone and doesn't expect the state to legislate for every little detail, it allows far more social autonomy and self monitoring...which means lots of room is left for morals and ethics...capitalism doesn't, money rules in Capitalism and it's a fight to the death for everything..which is why the US and UK are exhuasted ruins these days...people are tired of always having to fight for eve. I ry little morsel...Socialism puts the people at the front and protects their futures and their childrens futures .....I guess most (especially the vociferous anti socialism Americans) must have a very skewed viewed of the true meaning and in truth have no idea what their trying to protect....
Comparing the infrastructure, for example, the roads make the UK look like a third-world country. I can give a full and detailed breakdown of this issue and will later.
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blathin: if it weren't for the unions we'd still have children out working, dreadful working conditions and people losing limbs or worse dying from having to work in dreadfully unhealthy conditions...
If the greedy privateers of modern day industry were more humane there wouldn't have been need for the unions...The unions were needed to curb and keep the psychopathic rapacious greed and lust for money and power under control....
I think the children theory is a bit far fetched & a little exaggerated. If the greedy privateers of modern day industry were more humane there wouldn't have been need for the unions...The unions were needed to curb and keep the psychopathic rapacious greed and lust for money and power under control....
We’re not talking about the 1800s
I don’t think the car industry, which caused the biggest problems , were working under dangerous conditions.
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Youcannow: Please don’t quote on assumptions.
There were no official figures regarding the amount of teenage pregnancies to get council accommodation.
I can only go by local council estates, where there was a split between single mothers & others .
Drugs were never legalised in Britain.
It was the immigrants from the Caribbean, who bought drugs over to this country in the 50s .
What good can legalising cannabis do , other that to create a nation of zombies.
We are already seeing the effects of the cannabis generation.
Au contraire, I didn't quote ,I said "probably" so that's clearly my not having quoted anything...There were no official figures regarding the amount of teenage pregnancies to get council accommodation.
I can only go by local council estates, where there was a split between single mothers & others .
Drugs were never legalised in Britain.
It was the immigrants from the Caribbean, who bought drugs over to this country in the 50s .
What good can legalising cannabis do , other that to create a nation of zombies.
We are already seeing the effects of the cannabis generation.
Ah but there would be ,somewhere....those kind of stastitics would be freely available if someone really wanted to know. It's called the "Freedom of Information Act"
Cannabis is as old as the pyramids, in fact it was found in a 10,000 year old sarcophogus...so we know it's dangers and risks..they're nothing compared to tobacco and alcohol....or even the legal drugs like e.g. warfarin..and don't get me started on the likes of sleeping tables and pain killers...they're deadly dangerous and doctors are giving them out like sweeties...and you're complaining about a fairly innocuous plant that doesn't do half the harm..or even one tenth...
No, that's not the effect of cannibas. That's you seeing what you want to see I suspect, not what's actually there...The youth of today are probably the first generation to suffer from such endemic depression and emotional/mental health problems...and very very very little of it caused by cannabis...in fact a bit of cannabis would do them the world of good imo...
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blathin: On the contrary all your comments on this thread have been your opinion/s. And, we all know the driver of opinions are emotions, in this case, yours.
So it seems you don't even know yourself, much less what Maggie Thatcher really did to England and the English people...
Many people prospered & many suffered during her reign . Not too different from whoever is in charge .So it seems you don't even know yourself, much less what Maggie Thatcher really did to England and the English people...
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blathin: Au contraire, I didn't quote ,I said "probably" so that's clearly my not having quoted anything...
Ah but there would be ,somewhere....those kind of stastitics would be freely available if someone really wanted to know. It's called the "Freedom of Information Act"
Cannabis is as old as the pyramids, in fact it was found in a 10,000 year old sarcophogus...so we know it's dangers and risks..they're nothing compared to tobacco and alcohol....or even the legal drugs like e.g. warfarin..and don't get me started on the likes of sleeping tables and pain killers...they're deadly dangerous and doctors are giving them out like sweeties...and you're complaining about a fairly innocuous plant that doesn't do half the harm..or even one tenth...
No, that's not the effect of cannibas. That's you seeing what you want to see I suspect, not what's actually there...The youth of today are probably the first generation to suffer from such endemic depression and emotional/mental health problems...and very very very little of it caused by cannabis...in fact a bit of cannabis would do them the world of good imo...
I know doctors who would argue otherwise. Ah but there would be ,somewhere....those kind of stastitics would be freely available if someone really wanted to know. It's called the "Freedom of Information Act"
Cannabis is as old as the pyramids, in fact it was found in a 10,000 year old sarcophogus...so we know it's dangers and risks..they're nothing compared to tobacco and alcohol....or even the legal drugs like e.g. warfarin..and don't get me started on the likes of sleeping tables and pain killers...they're deadly dangerous and doctors are giving them out like sweeties...and you're complaining about a fairly innocuous plant that doesn't do half the harm..or even one tenth...
No, that's not the effect of cannibas. That's you seeing what you want to see I suspect, not what's actually there...The youth of today are probably the first generation to suffer from such endemic depression and emotional/mental health problems...and very very very little of it caused by cannabis...in fact a bit of cannabis would do them the world of good imo...
But obviously, you know better .
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Youcannow: I know doctors who would argue otherwise.
But obviously, you know better .
Please give evidence .But obviously, you know better .
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Youcannow: I suppose your more informed on the topic than I am, although i can only assume that the de-legalisation of heroin was as a result of research .
Isn't it amazing how a man will respect what another man has to say but totally dismisses it when a woman said the very same thing previously...Misogyny right there folks!------ This thread is Archived ------
tomcatty: Please give evidence .
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blathin: Isn't it amazing how a man will respect what another man has to say but totally dismisses it when a woman said the very same thing previously...Misogyny right there folks!
I’m at a stage now where I will agree with you also , so it’s not a male/ female thing 
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Youcannow: Of course , but the principle is the same .
Small businesses like my own have empathy for their staff , unlike the big corporations wouldn’t think twice about closing down premises that are non- profitable.
No, you said it was the fat cats that gave jobs (or something to that effect) so hardly the same thing.....and two totally different principles. Small businesses like my own have empathy for their staff , unlike the big corporations wouldn’t think twice about closing down premises that are non- profitable.
After reading your comment to (I think it was) Bod, it seems you struggle to discuss matters such as this in a rational reasonable fashion with a woman....it sounds like you struggle with her being that bit more informed than you ...
I didnt' understand why others called you a misogynist on here, but now I see why....
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Youcannow: Find it yourself.
I rather expected that reply are you making statements without any research back up????------ This thread is Archived ------
Youcannow: Can you re address this to tomcat .
This thread has exhausted me & I don’t want to get into a capitalist/ socialist spat .
Why, it wasn't Tom who referenced China , well, not as far as I can remember anyway..This thread has exhausted me & I don’t want to get into a capitalist/ socialist spat .
Exhausted you? Would that be becuase you're running out of "opinions"??
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blathin: No, you said it was the fat cats that gave jobs (or something to that effect) so hardly the same thing.....and two totally different principles.
After reading your comment to (I think it was) Bod, it seems you struggle to discuss matters such as this in a rational reasonable fashion with a woman....it sounds like you struggle with her being that bit more informed than you ...
I didnt' understand why others called you a misogynist on here, but now I see why....
Just because I don’t agree with your political views , doesn’t make me a misogynist as you claim . After reading your comment to (I think it was) Bod, it seems you struggle to discuss matters such as this in a rational reasonable fashion with a woman....it sounds like you struggle with her being that bit more informed than you ...
I didnt' understand why others called you a misogynist on here, but now I see why....
I’ve treated you with the upmost respect & have been corresponding with you on this thread for days .
I liked our discussion & I respect your opinions , which I why I’ve taken the time to answer you .
Obviously , you don’t seem to feel the same way , so let’s just leave it at that & remain frienamies
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Youcannow: I think the children theory is a bit far fetched & a little exaggerated.
We’re not talking about the 1800s
I don’t think the car industry, which caused the biggest problems , were working under dangerous conditions.
You think? Then why are there still children having to do a full days work in places like India and other third world countries...not as far fetched as you might like to believe...and if it weren't for the collective the big industrialists would still have our children working all day if they could get away with it....It's only been in the last 30 odd years men started to live past their 65 birthday, when they retired..because working conditions were so bad. They were no sooner retired then they died....We’re not talking about the 1800s
I don’t think the car industry, which caused the biggest problems , were working under dangerous conditions.
The car industry had plenty of dangerous conditions.....and still do. But that's not the point. The unions were there primarily to ensure fair wages and decent working conditions..
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Youcannow: I know doctors who would argue otherwise.
But obviously, you know better .
I know doctors who would agree...and one who is a regular user...for pain because pain killers are too dangerous to use regularly whereas cannabis isn't....But obviously, you know better .
But obviously I know better? Seriously? Cheap, snide sarcasm? Seems you're not above the nasty comments that you derided others for either...
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Capitalism is socialism for the rich .Socialism looks after everyone and doesn't expect the state to legislate for every little detail, it allows far more social autonomy and self monitoring...which means lots of room is left for morals and ethics...capitalism doesn't, money rules in Capitalism and it's a fight to the death for everything..which is why the US and UK are exhuasted ruins these days...people are tired of always having to fight for every little morsel...Socialism puts the people at the front and protects their futures and their childrens futures .....I guess most (especially the vociferous anti socialism Americans) must have a very skewed viewed of the true meaning and in truth have no idea what their trying to protect....