Intelligent world VS dumb world. ( Archived) (69)

Apr 19, 2022 2:11 AM CST Intelligent world VS dumb world.
Jaavisst
JaavisstJaavisstLjusdal, Gavleborg Sweden96 Threads 22 Polls 707 Posts
My view is that it's more difficult for a intelligent person to live in a world predominantly made up of dumb people, then it is for a dumb person to live in a world predominantly made up of smart people.

Give me a reason for why this isn't true or a example of it's being true.
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Apr 19, 2022 3:21 AM CST Intelligent world VS dumb world.
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
Even mass immigration only feels dysgenic from our perspective of a place quite civilised bringing in trouble.

At global scale it's eugenic to take a family out of Africa educate it in the west and reduce their offspring from 6 to 2.

And that matches global capitalism. Only for the west is it an especially bad thing because it makes the former winners now become the losers. Only here is life getting poorer/worse the outside world is better for the last 30 or 40 years. Capitalism is about winners and losers and globally it concentrates all the losers in the western world regarding us as overpaid and lazy.
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Apr 19, 2022 4:00 AM CST Intelligent world VS dumb world.
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
And maybe that's the key thing about conservatism. I think it might actually be dysgenic to be honest it's not educated or intellectually stimulating or likely to prevent dumb people from breeding.

But it's not about potential that conservativism shines but in the doing of it. Actual conservativism yields a less intelligent new generation that may be less intelligent when they were born but nevertheless applies itself more. It's the discipline gained from a hard life is the reason that the earliest baby boomers were the best liberals, David Bowie didn't grow up under social liberalism. Why not? We can see the difference between the early boomers and the late boomers and the difference is in knowing what hard is. Those born in the early 1960s are near enough the same crap that was born for the rest of the 20th century. Weak liberals created by liberals.
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Apr 19, 2022 4:14 AM CST Intelligent world VS dumb world.
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
Basically what happens is that once liberals own the culture for long enough there arises a new kind of liberal known as the clever silly. It interferes through through the decisively western idea that you can understand a thing without having any experience with it. It claims that the doing of it is not important at all and still tries to be judge, jury and executioner. They're people too clever for their own good widely missing the mark because they don't believe in first hand experience, don't believe in the doing of it. Liberals don't believe that life is something to be lived , they believe life is a problem to be solved that can only be solved by not living life.
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Apr 19, 2022 4:30 AM CST Intelligent world VS dumb world.
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
And it's one reason why young people tend to left/liberal. It's because they're all potential and not at all the doing of it. Life hasn't been lived yet and it's more about how life could if we were better people.

But the young are supposed to think like this and to some extent they'll turn out to be correct. In the doing of it they work what's really changed about people and what's just fancying yourself. Overstating your ability to make a difference because you've never had practice with making a difference.
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Apr 19, 2022 4:42 AM CST Intelligent world VS dumb world.
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
ChesneyChrist: And it's one reason why young people tend to left/liberal. It's because they're all potential and not at all the doing of it. Life hasn't been lived yet and it's more about how life could if we were better people.

But the young are supposed to think like this and to some extent they'll turn out to be correct. In the doing of it they work what's really changed about people and what's just fancying yourself. Overstating your ability to make a difference because you've never had practice with making a difference.
The reactionary right does it also. Overstate your ability to make a difference because you've never had practice with making a difference. The difference is that there's no potential in a 65 year old teenager. The narcissism of youth minus the hope. It'll be overstating the badness of recent changes and overstating their own ability to reverse them.
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Apr 19, 2022 4:44 AM CST Intelligent world VS dumb world.
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Apr 19, 2022 4:55 AM CST Intelligent world VS dumb world.
If one is intelligent and live amongst dumb people, why would that be difficult. If the intelligent is greedy, he could easily profit big time. If he were kind, he could teach them not to be dumb. You treat as though being dumb is a hardwired attribute to people. It's not, it's simply a choice. Not al people who act dumb are permanently dumb. No. They can change if given the encouragement to learn.

Now for a dumb person to live amongst the intelligent ones, there's no difficulty either unless by being dumb, they're manipulated to serve the self serving interests of a clever intelligent person. Ie, use them dumb ones to carry out missions for them to get killed. Mule drugs for them.

Singling out this either dumb or intelligent person living with each other isn't an accurate nor a good basis of living arrangements. Factors that affect easy and or difficult mode of living with each other.

Now if a dumb person marries and intelligent one, now that's a different story. The dumb one wouldn't be bothered as long as she or he is loved. For the intelligent one, yes, it'd be very difficult. I will never ever picture myself with one who has no brains. If he is dumb but want to learn and change, maybe.
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Apr 19, 2022 4:57 AM CST Intelligent world VS dumb world.
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
Age merely shows the children we remain said Goethe. Although I think he was trying to make a point about something else there is a certain similarity between the far-left and the far-right, between schoolchildren and pensioners. But a 35 year old man is liable to find clowns to the left of him, jokers to the right, stuck in the middle with another man in his 30s.
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Apr 19, 2022 4:59 AM CST Intelligent world VS dumb world.
lindsyjones: If one is intelligent and live amongst dumb people, why would that be difficult. If the intelligent is greedy, he could easily profit big time. If he were kind, he could teach them not to be dumb. You treat as though being dumb is a hardwired attribute to people. It's not, it's simply a choice. Not al people who act dumb are permanently dumb. No. They can change if given the encouragement to learn.

Now for a dumb person to live amongst the intelligent ones, there's no difficulty either unless by being dumb, they're manipulated to serve the self serving interests of a clever intelligent person. Ie, use them dumb ones to carry out missions for them to get killed. Mule drugs for them.

Singling out this either dumb or intelligent person living with each other isn't an accurate nor a good basis of living arrangements. Factors that affect easy and or difficult mode of living with each other.

Now if a dumb person marries and intelligent one, now that's a different story. The dumb one wouldn't be bothered as long as she or he is loved. For the intelligent one, yes, it'd be very difficult. I will never ever picture myself with one who has no brains. If he is dumb but want to learn and change, maybe.
I miss the factors like, loving attributes, understanding, kindness, tolerant, these are traits and characters that makes life easier and the lack of it, difficult.
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Apr 19, 2022 5:27 AM CST Intelligent world VS dumb world.
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
Jaavisst: My view is that it's more difficult for a intelligent person to live in a world predominantly made up of dumb people, then it is for a dumb person to live in a world predominantly made up of smart people.

Give me a reason for why this isn't true or a example of it's being true.
Perhaps I'd agree with what you're saying in the sense that being average is the most content and law-abiding. Average will be the least at odds with how things generally are. A stupid person might break the law and a smart person might also break the law but the difference will most probably be the way it broke the law. I can't believe I'm that stupid versus I can't believe the law is that stupid. The law is a crude generalisation that doesn't apply to me a bright person because it seems stupid and it is enforced by a bunch of thugs who would be in jail themselves if not for this legal outlet for their violence.
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Apr 19, 2022 6:55 AM CST Intelligent world VS dumb world.
Youcannow
YoucannowYoucannowLondon, Essex, England UK96 Threads 3,523 Posts
Technology is partly to blame.
Computers are doing all the work of the human brain .
Nothing throws an intellectual off more than talking about a subject they know nothing about.
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Apr 19, 2022 7:19 AM CST Intelligent world VS dumb world.
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
Go too far down the road of intelligence and you might start to perceive the tyranny of the judiciary and the fact that it's acolytes are more like Wayne Couzens than not. A cathedral's worth of hypocrisy in an over-respected thuggish religion.

But all that being true doesn't mean that it can be abolished. Intelligence is liable to believe that people could walk around with their big hot brains cupped in both hands in front of them because conflict will always perish in the brotherhood of reason.

But in this world with this humanity conflict will perish in the brotherhood of flags. Through a type of blissful ignorance where people can agree by not really understanding what the other person thinks. The flag means everything and nothing in that way of being all things to all people, stupid things like flags are an anti-intellectual social lubricant.
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Apr 19, 2022 7:47 AM CST Intelligent world VS dumb world.
Youcannow: Technology is partly to blame.
Computers are doing all the work of the human brain .
Nothing throws an intellectual off more than talking about a subject they know nothing about.
Why would you deny their chance of learning, isn't that the purpose? Yo know? How condescending can you be?
And an intellectual should not be thrown off if an ignorant talks about a subject for learning. You are a piece of work is all I can say doh
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Apr 19, 2022 7:48 AM CST Intelligent world VS dumb world.
ChesneyChrist
ChesneyChristChesneyChristManchester, Greater Manchester, England UK7,144 Posts
Which is another point. Why don't judges get punished for making a bad call like pc-plod on 30k a year does? The tyranny of the judiciary is now clearly what the pope used to be.

And this is falling down as people slowly wake up to the fact that they don't know. All of this new technology is taking us back the feudal darkness because it absolutely is important to experience things where the establishment is more and more attempting to judge a world completely alien to it. It is like the law is starting all over again back in the 10th century. A thousand years of the English justice system boiling down to no smoke without fire in a world where we may as well be living on Venus. That smoke is literally the atmosphere as the establishment moves to criminalise a world it knows nothing about. They're not unintelligent, they just haven't lived a day in this world.
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Apr 19, 2022 7:54 AM CST Intelligent world VS dumb world.
Youcannow
YoucannowYoucannowLondon, Essex, England UK96 Threads 3,523 Posts
lindsyjones: Why would you deny their chance of learning, isn't that the purpose? Yo know? How condescending can you be?
And an intellectual should not be thrown off if an ignorant talks about a subject for learning. You are a piece of work is all I can say
I never said anything regarding denying their chances of learning.
I’m saying , computers do all the thinking for them .
Even basic maths skills cannot be done without the aid of technology.

Ps. Stop the insults & keep that temper in check if you don’t mind .
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Apr 19, 2022 8:00 AM CST Intelligent world VS dumb world.
Youcannow: I never said anything regarding denying their chances of learning.
I’m saying , computers do all the thinking for them .
Even basic maths skills cannot be done without the aid of technology.

Ps. Stop the insults & keep that temper in check if you don’t mind .
I thought you mentioned about "ignorant shouldn't be thrown offif an ignorant talks about something they know nothing about?

Ut looks to me as if you the intellectual loses his balance when a dumb person taljs about something he or she is ignorant about. I said: why musan intellectual be thrown off? In this case, it's a judgment accrued on behalf of the intellectual.

The thread talks about which is more difficult an intellectual amongst the dumb ones? Or the dumb ones living amongst the intellectual intellectual.

And that wasn't an insult.peace
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Apr 19, 2022 8:02 AM CST Intelligent world VS dumb world.
lindsyjones: I thought you mentioned about an "ignorant shouldn't be thrown off if an ignorant talks about something they know nothing about?

It looks to me as if you the intellectual loses his balance when a dumb person talks about something he or she is ignorant about. I said: why must an intellectual be thrown off? In this case, it's a judgment accrued on behalf of the intellectual.

The thread talks about which is more difficult an intellectual amongst the dumb ones? Or the dumb ones living amongst the intellectual ones.

And that wasn't an insult.
Corrected version. peace peace
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Apr 19, 2022 8:11 AM CST Intelligent world VS dumb world.
Youcannow
YoucannowYoucannowLondon, Essex, England UK96 Threads 3,523 Posts
lindsyjones: Corrected version.
And I’m saying that even a dumb person has better knowledge of certain topics than the intellectual.
Fortunately, I have awareness of most topics & can hold my own in any environment, but I wouldn’t call myself an intellectual.

Some intellectual people are mono dimensional, for which I find intrinsically boring .
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Apr 19, 2022 8:15 AM CST Intelligent world VS dumb world.
Youcannow: And I’m saying that even a dumb person has better knowledge of certain topics than the intellectual.
Fortunately, I have awareness of most topics & can hold my own in any environment, but I wouldn’t call myself an intellectual.

Some intellectual people are mono dimensional, for which I find intrinsically boring .
Read my post again. I directly responded to your opinion about the intellectual SHOULDN'T be thrown off, if a dumb one taljs about a subject they're ignorant about.

I said, the intellectual SHOULDN'T BE THROWN OFF, because being dumb and wants to learn talks about a subject they're ignorant about for learning purposes so that they will no longer be ignorant.
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